Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

On 28/07/14 05:45, Nenhum_de_Nos wrote: > I have a soekris atom board, net6501, and despite the intel nics, chipset > throughput won't let them go as far as they would. So how much would I expect > from these apu from PCEngines? Running the latest pfsense and only routing. I compared the apu.1c t

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

Oh guys give it a rest, like a couple of whiney school boys. I'm getting off this list to get away from you guys. On Jul 27, 2014 10:16 PM, "Jim Thompson" wrote: > > Ryan, > > Your point is entirely lost, I’ve already shown where your words are > false by any measure. > > Time to close this thre

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

On July 27, 2014 3:20:20 PM GMT-03:00, Chris Bagnall wrote: >On 27/7/14 7:06 pm, Matthias May wrote: >> With intel cards on the same board you can get up to 650 Mbit/s, but >i >> expect it to be lower with additional rules. > >Have you tried it with Intel cards (I assume you're talking mPCIe >

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

Ryan, Your point is entirely lost, I’ve already shown where your words are false by any measure. Time to close this thread. Jim > On Jul 27, 2014, at 9:08 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > > Nickolai, > > I don’t know about you but I get my 8GB SDHC Class 10 cards for between $5 > and $15. > >

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

Nickolai, I don’t know about you but I get my 8GB SDHC Class 10 cards for between $5 and $15. — Ryan On Jul 22, 2014, at 14:29, Nickolai Leschov wrote: > The difference is not $200, but about $100 with 8GB Sandisk Extreme Secure > [sic!] SDHC card included. > > 1. What's secure about this

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

> On Jul 22, 2014, at 16:19, Rainer Duffner wrote: > > >> Am 22.07.2014 um 21:29 schrieb Nickolai Leschov : >> >> The difference is not $200, but about $100 with 8GB Sandisk Extreme Secure >> [sic!] SDHC card included. >> >> 1. What's secure about this card? I suppose it's a regular SDHC on

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

> On Jul 27, 2014, at 13:06, Matthias May wrote: > > Am 27.07.2014 18:32, schrieb Kenward Vaughan: >> On 07/22/2014 02:19 PM, Rainer Duffner wrote: >>> >>> Am 22.07.2014 um 21:29 schrieb Nickolai Leschov >> >: >>> The difference is not $200, but about $100 with

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

On 07/27/2014 11:06 AM, Matthias May wrote: ... Kenward Are you sure you meant 1.2 GB/s ? That would be 9.6 Gbit/s (as in 9600 Mbit/s) These don't route that much. With the built in Realtek cards you get 450 Mbit/s without any fancy rules. I would expect this to go down with additional rules. Wi

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

Am 27.07.2014 20:20, schrieb Chris Bagnall: On 27/7/14 7:06 pm, Matthias May wrote: With intel cards on the same board you can get up to 650 Mbit/s, but i expect it to be lower with additional rules. Have you tried it with Intel cards (I assume you're talking mPCIe cards?) - and if so, what c

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

On 27/7/14 7:06 pm, Matthias May wrote: With intel cards on the same board you can get up to 650 Mbit/s, but i expect it to be lower with additional rules. Have you tried it with Intel cards (I assume you're talking mPCIe cards?) - and if so, what chassis did you use? The ability to install

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

Am 27.07.2014 18:32, schrieb Kenward Vaughan: On 07/22/2014 02:19 PM, Rainer Duffner wrote: Am 22.07.2014 um 21:29 schrieb Nickolai Leschov mailto:nlesc...@gmail.com>>: The difference is not $200, but about $100 with 8GB Sandisk Extreme Secure [sic!] SDHC card included. ... What sort of ban

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

On 07/22/2014 02:19 PM, Rainer Duffner wrote: Am 22.07.2014 um 21:29 schrieb Nickolai Leschov mailto:nlesc...@gmail.com>>: The difference is not $200, but about $100 with 8GB Sandisk Extreme Secure [sic!] SDHC card included. ... What sort of bandwidth are these be able to handle? I have rot

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

Am 22.07.2014 um 21:29 schrieb Nickolai Leschov : > The difference is not $200, but about $100 with 8GB Sandisk Extreme Secure > [sic!] SDHC card included. > > 1. What's secure about this card? I suppose it's a regular SDHC one. > > 2. I would like to pay less, but I'm worried about assembling

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

Cool down BOTH of you. The IT community is filled with such tempers. Stop acting like kids. What do you want Ryan, a timeout? Yudhvir ___ List mailing list List@lists.pfsense.org https://lists.pfsense.org/mailman/listinfo/list

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

whatever jim. I’ve used this list and helped people. People have helped me. Your approach was wrong. My response was wrong. I admitted my mistake. You wanted this off list and you’re still responding. Ban me if you wish - it would only be a temporary measure. I’ve been buying your hardware for

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

Let's get some facts straight: False: "the board, case, SD all cost about $145 if you buy them from PCEngines." PC Engines doesn't sell SD cards, so we'll leave those out of the discussion for now. List price on an APU from PC Engines: $136 (2GB) or $155 (4GB) List price on case from PC Engi

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

Actually the margin is more like $250 - the board, case, SD all cost about $145 if you buy them from PCEngines. My fleecing comment is based on the lack of a statement that says if you don’t want the support you can look at this model, or give an option to opt out of the support. Also calling it

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

I see a few things going on here: >From the Netgate site, the difference between the APU1C and the APU1C4 DIY kits is 2GB vs 4GB. The Kits are $179 and $199 and include the board, a case and power plug. The kit from PCEngines is just the board (I don't see any that says it comes with a plug or a

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

Sorry, that was at our wonderful list mom. I should have noted it that way. On Jul 22, 2014, at 22:18, Chris Bagnall wrote: > On 23/7/14 4:11 am, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> I may have fired off the message in a fit of frustration but you made it a >> public statement - if you wanted to be the “mom”

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

It is my believe that we all are on this list, in this discussion, because we have a requirement, desire and/or need of a solid network security solution. I applaud the community as a whole for making pfSense a product for that is available for the societal masses. #respect "Give me your low TTL,

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

On 23/7/14 4:11 am, Ryan Coleman wrote: I may have fired off the message in a fit of frustration but you made it a public statement - if you wanted to be the “mom” and handle it you should have sent it privately instead of publicly. I can't work out if the above is directed at me or Jim. (I

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

::applause:: I may have fired off the message in a fit of frustration but you made it a public statement - if you wanted to be the “mom” and handle it you should have sent it privately instead of publicly. — Ryan On Jul 22, 2014, at 21:15, Chris Bagnall wrote: > On 23/7/14 2:10 am, Jim Thom

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

Neither do accusations that a discussion that is VERY MUCH related to this list has no place on this list. Just because it does not relate to what YOU use pfsense for doesn’t mean it does not belong. If that were the case most of the emails I get on a daily basis have no place on this list. Th

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

I am. I have. I'm trying to be patient and professional. > On Jul 22, 2014, at 20:47, Sean Colins wrote: > > Who is the list mom and why is he/she not responding to this? > >> On Jul 22, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> >> Look fuck nut: branded and shipped hardware is 100% on to

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

On Jul 22, 2014, at 16:30, Nickolai Leschov wrote: >> Bay Trail? Why? That's for tablets. > What's the difference, in practical terms? First: Rangeley has an integrated i354 10/100/1000 quad Ethernet MAC. Bay Trail requires one to add Ethernet Second: Rangeley has a high-speed crypto co

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

On 23/7/14 2:10 am, Jim Thompson wrote: Very little if this thread is related to pfSense. Please stay on topic. Respectfully, I disagree. Given the APU is - as the de facto successor to the ALIX - likely to be a piece of hardware used in a lot of new pfSense installs, discussion about its me

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

Who is the list mom and why is he/she not responding to this? On Jul 22, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Look fuck nut: branded and shipped hardware is 100% on topic. Thank you. > > >> On Jul 22, 2014, at 20:10, Jim Thompson wrote: >> >> Very little if this thread is related to pfSe

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

Ryan, Profanity and personal attacks have no place on this list. -- Jim > On Jul 22, 2014, at 20:12, Ryan Coleman wrote: > > Look fuck nut: branded and shipped hardware is 100% on topic. Thank you. > > >> On Jul 22, 2014, at 20:10, Jim Thompson wrote: >> >> Very little if this thread is

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

Look fuck nut: branded and shipped hardware is 100% on topic. Thank you. > On Jul 22, 2014, at 20:10, Jim Thompson wrote: > > Very little if this thread is related to pfSense. > > Please stay on topic. > > -- Jim > >>> On Jul 22, 2014, at 17:32, Chris Bagnall wrote: >>> >>> On 22/7/14

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

Very little if this thread is related to pfSense. Please stay on topic. -- Jim > On Jul 22, 2014, at 17:32, Chris Bagnall wrote: > >> On 22/7/14 11:17 pm, Nickolai Leschov wrote: >> I didn't notice this page. So it looks like it's some kind of thermal paste >> allows for adequate thermal co

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

On 22/7/14 11:17 pm, Nickolai Leschov wrote: I didn't notice this page. So it looks like it's some kind of thermal paste allows for adequate thermal conductivity between the CPU/south bridge and the aluminum heat spreader, but the heat spreader is in dry contact with the case? The one I've just

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

Thanks, Holger! I didn't notice this page. So it looks like it's some kind of thermal paste allows for adequate thermal conductivity between the CPU/south bridge and the aluminum heat spreader, but the heat spreader is in dry contact with the case? I find it less than adequate, but let's hope that

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

http://pcengines.ch/apucool.htm Holger Am 22.07.2014 23:31 schrieb "Nickolai Leschov" : > Yes, there is a transfer "pad". > > What is this pad made of: some metal or is this a thermal shim, which is a > sort of paste? > > ___ > List mailing list > List@

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

> > Yes, there is a transfer "pad". What is this pad made of: some metal or is this a thermal shim, which is a sort of paste? ___ List mailing list List@lists.pfsense.org https://lists.pfsense.org/mailman/listinfo/list

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

> > Bay Trail? Why? That's for tablets. What's the difference, in practical terms? ___ List mailing list List@lists.pfsense.org https://lists.pfsense.org/mailman/listinfo/list

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

Do you happen to have an image of this? > On Jul 22, 2014, at 16:28, Jim Thompson wrote: > > > > On Jul 22, 2014, at 17:19, Nickolai Leschov wrote: > >>> Just like the others: dissipation through the aluminum case >> How does the CPU connect to the aluminum case? Is there some thermal >> i

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

On Jul 22, 2014, at 17:19, Nickolai Leschov wrote: >> Just like the others: dissipation through the aluminum case > How does the CPU connect to the aluminum case? Is there some thermal > interface involved? Maybe an interface between CPU heatsink and aluminum case? Yes, there is a transfer "p

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

> On Jul 22, 2014, at 17:19, Nickolai Leschov wrote: > > I wonder why they wouldn't just build the board with some appropriate Atom > CPU? :-) > And maybe even more performant, to boot? E3815, probably? Bay Trail? Why? That's for tablets. C2xx8 more likely. IJS...__

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

> > Just like the others: dissipation through the aluminum case How does the CPU connect to the aluminum case? Is there some thermal interface involved? Maybe an interface between CPU heatsink and aluminum case? Mine get toasty but they haven't cooked yet. You could cut a fan in the > case if you

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

Just like the others: dissipation through the aluminum case. Mine get toasty but they haven't cooked yet. You could cut a fan in the case if you needed to. > On Jul 22, 2014, at 14:29, Nickolai Leschov wrote: > > The difference is not $200, but about $100 with 8GB Sandisk Extreme Secure > [s

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

The difference is not $200, but about $100 with 8GB Sandisk Extreme Secure [sic!] SDHC card included. 1. What's *secure* about this card? I suppose it's a regular SDHC one. 2. I would like to pay less, but I'm worried about assembling it right with regards to cooling. Can anyone clarify how is co

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

> On Jul 22, 2014, at 10:58, Ryan Coleman wrote: > > I asked the differences in the two line items from netgate. Perhaps you should ask sa...@netgate.com Jim ___ List mailing list List@lists.pfsense.org https://lists.pfsense.org/mailman/listinfo/

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

> On Jul 22, 2014, at 10:56, Eugen Leitl wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 02:40:44PM +, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> Is there a difference between the 4 and the 1C4? Is Netgate just trying to >> fleece people for an extra $200 by packaging the entire thing together built >> and tested? >> htt

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

I asked the differences in the two line items from netgate. > On Jul 22, 2014, at 9:56, Eugen Leitl wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 02:40:44PM +, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> Is there a difference between the 4 and the 1C4? Is Netgate just trying to >> fleece people for an extra $200 by pac

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

On 2014-07-22 11:40, Ryan Coleman wrote: Is there a difference between the 4 and the 1C4? Is Netgate just trying to fleece people for an extra $200 by packaging the entire thing together built and tested? http://store.netgate.com/kit-APU1C4.aspx http://store.netgate.com/APU4.aspx PC Engines o

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 02:40:44PM +, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Is there a difference between the 4 and the 1C4? Is Netgate just trying to > fleece people for an extra $200 by packaging the entire thing together built > and tested? > http://store.netgate.com/kit-APU1C4.aspx > http://store.netgate

[pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

Is there a difference between the 4 and the 1C4? Is Netgate just trying to fleece people for an extra $200 by packaging the entire thing together built and tested? http://store.netgate.com/kit-APU1C4.aspx http://store.netgate.com/APU4.aspx PC Engines only has the APU1C/APU1C4 listed with the sa