Re: [WSG] More on printing

2006-06-08 Thread Designer
David Hucklesby wrote: On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:05:35 +0100, Designer wrote: [...] I have a site with the potential to print out some thirty different pages, with each printout length between 1 page and 4. Each page has small illustrations scattered unevenly amongst the text, and I'm finding

Re: [WSG] off topic SEO ranking problems

2006-06-08 Thread Michael Persson
Yeah Mark, thanks This is the result of the team where noone is listening to the developer and only think design and client will be happy, someone has to pay... Google are probably understanding that the same description and keywords as well as the content, are in the both websites... i

Re: [WSG] Accessible Forms - Columnar and Grid Does anyone have an example of some accessible forms

2006-06-08 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
McLaughlin, Gail G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Does anyone have html examples of some accessible forms using CSS that I can reference? There is a need for a plain columnar style form, and also a form that is a grid. [...] --- Maybe this'll help you, Gail:

Re: [WSG] selling web standards

2006-06-08 Thread Pat Ramsey
Have you thought of going down the list of proven benefits? Bandwidth savings, faster page load times, search engine optimization, less time spent in page maintenance, etc.? I agree, getting the discussion started the right way is key. I'm doing the same thing with my employer - trying to inject

Re: [WSG] selling web standards

2006-06-08 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
Dan Treuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] What should my primary points be when emphasizing to them the need for this site to be standards-compliant? [...] --- Hello Dan, Thought this is not directly related, it is closely so, thus this article may still provide you with some needed

Re: [WSG] selling web standards

2006-06-08 Thread Jan Brasna
Outstanding site! That's going to be very helpful to me. MACCAWS is actually not maintained any longer, lack of time I'd say, but I hope we'll continue with the spreading of this message worldwide in WaSP ILG as we have Stef Troeth (of the MACCAWS team) on board. -- Jan Brasna ::

Re: [WSG] selling web standards

2006-06-08 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
I would say the safest arguments would be: 1. Separation of design and content - programmers can't deny the value of normalization which is the result, plus the ease of design changes on your end looking forward. 2. The other is accessibility / mobile devices. If you can state a case that

RE: Re: [WSG] selling web standards

2006-06-08 Thread Dan Treuter
Thanks to Jan and everyone who replied. Great resources and advice.Dan Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:47:07 +0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] selling web standards Outstandingsite!That'sgoingtobeveryhelpfultome.

Re: [WSG] selling web standards

2006-06-08 Thread Tony Crockford
Jan Brasna wrote: Outstanding site! That's going to be very helpful to me. MACCAWS is actually not maintained any longer, lack of time I'd say, but I hope we'll continue with the spreading of this message worldwide in WaSP ILG as we have Stef Troeth (of the MACCAWS team) on board. I think

Re: [WSG] selling web standards

2006-06-08 Thread Jan Brasna
BTW on the topic of standards thru ASP.NET, this might be helpful as well: http://msdn.microsoft.com/asp.net/reference/design/default.aspx?pull=/library/en-us/dnaspp/html/aspnetusstan.asp http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200511/no_xhtml_10_strict_in_aspnet_20/

Re: [WSG] Linux and Mac eyes please

2006-06-08 Thread David Laakso
Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote: Can I ask you linux and mac users to take a look at this design please? http://wildwood.sitesbyjoe.com/template.htm Please let me know if you discover any layout quirks or obvious problems. Should be pretty clean though. Looked good to me (even though I am not fond

[WSG] Anyone know of an S5 editor?

2006-06-08 Thread Mark Harris
Hi y'all I'm wishing to persuade a client to produce accessible presentations by eschewing PowerPoint and using Eric Meyer's S5 templates but I'm running into the ease of use issue. The client is not at all adverse to the idea, especially as she'll save money on getting her PPTs converted

Re: [WSG] Old School Custom Font Face

2006-06-08 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
Nathan Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Additionally, I wouldn't mix serif / sans-serif the way you did the in example. :) --- Hello Nathan, I'm curious about the comment? Why not? I ask as I've done this before myself thinking it was fine. Say if I want Georgia as the primary type

RE: [WSG] selling web standards

2006-06-08 Thread Rachel May
Hi Dan, My questions to the group are these: (1) Could they argue that their development environment (ASP.Net) doesn't allow them to produce standards-compliant markup and CSS and if they attempt to do that, what should I reply with? (note: I don't have any practical experience with

RE: [WSG] selling web standards

2006-06-08 Thread Adam Burmister \(DSL AK\)
My questions to the group are these: (1) Could they argue that their development environment (ASP.Net) doesn't allow them to produce standards-compliant markup and CSS and if they attempt to do that, what should I reply with? (note: I don't have any practical experience with ASP.Net, but I do w/

Re: [WSG] Anyone know of an S5 editor?

2006-06-08 Thread Darren Wood
On 6/9/06, Mark Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At a pinch, I'll settle for text only but I'd like to show her something that handles images as well. Does anyone know of an editor or tool that hits this spot? DISCLAIMER: I dont know that much about Dreamweaver, nor do I use it these days

Re: [WSG] Anyone know of an S5 editor?

2006-06-08 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
If web-based administration is an option, FCKeditor has a nice built-in image uploader (text editor). Since she's going to be updating HTML, it might be easiest to whip up a backend and stick the editor in there for them to use. It produces (mostly) clean code out of the box (it is free),

Re: [WSG] selling web standards

2006-06-08 Thread Matthew Cruickshank
Here's a friendly site to help make the case for standards... http://www.hotdesign.com/seybold/everything.html .Matthew Cruickshank http://docvert.org MSWord to Open Standards ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] Old School Custom Font Face

2006-06-08 Thread Nathan Smith
Ah, well as long as you're aware of the change. I tend to group serifs together, etc. If it doesn't bother you, then there's really nothing wrong with it. More power to ya. :) -- Nathan On 6/8/06, Mike at Green-Beast.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nathan Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...]

Re: [WSG] Oasis OpenDocument to HTML

2006-06-08 Thread Tom Worthington
At 10:10 AM 6/8/2006, Matthew Cruickshank wrote: ... convert OpenDocument to HTML ... Works best if you start with well structured documents, using a template. Have a look at Peter Sefton's open source ICE system: http://ice.usq.edu.au/. For the rationale behind doing it this way and a

[WSG] Is there a way to stop a horizontal text-based Navbar breaking ...?

2006-06-08 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Title: Is there a way to stop a horizontal text-based Navbar breaking ...? Im setting up a small site that will have horizontal text-based navigation at the top. Theres quite a lot of links so its almost certain to go onto two lines. Some of the links are two words ... Is there a way to stop a

Re: [WSG] Using PHP to hide email, script made, testing needed

2006-06-08 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
James Laugesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike, I could see the link correctly and sent you the email. My email body was not poopulated correctly (GMail notifier mailto handler) but I put the details in manually. I'm interested in discussion on this topic... how did you determine this was

RE: [WSG] Is there a way to stop a horizontal text-based Navbar breaking ...?

2006-06-08 Thread Steve Green
Alternatively you can put a no-break-space between the words instead of a space. A no-break-space is the six-character string nbsp; so the link would be something link Contactnbsp;Us Steve Green Director Test Partners Ltd / First Accessibility www.testpartners.co.uk www.accessibility.co.uk

Re: [WSG] Is there a way to stop a horizontal text-based Navbar breaking ...?

2006-06-08 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Thanks Steve - I should have thought of that! And thanks Mathew for the info on the CSS white-space:nowrap value. I didn't know about that ... :) On 9/6/06 10:58 AM, Steve Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alternatively you can put a no-break-space between the words instead of a space. A

[WSG] Multiple stylesheets

2006-06-08 Thread Paul Bennett
Hi all, I recall many moons ago a site which had multiple stylesheets (using the link element). In Firefox, a small icon appeared at the bottom pane of the browser and allowed the user to switch between stylesheets. Can anyone point me to a site that uses this technique? I'd like to do a bit

Re: [WSG] Multiple stylesheets

2006-06-08 Thread jon
Paul, You check out this link, http://www.alistapart.com/stories/alternate/ Jon Quoting Paul Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all, I recall many moons ago a site which had multiple stylesheets (using the link element). In Firefox, a small icon appeared at the bottom pane of the browser and

Re: [WSG] Old School Custom Font Face

2006-06-08 Thread Felix Miata
On 06/06/08 17:25 (GMT-0400) Mike at Green-Beast.com apparently typed: Nathan Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Additionally, I wouldn't mix serif / sans-serif the way you did the in example. :) I'm curious about the comment? Why not? I ask as I've done this before myself

Re: [WSG] Using PHP to hide email, script made, testing needed

2006-06-08 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote: I have written a PHP script which I hope will allow a person to post an email address on a site without worrying about it being found and exploited by bad'bots. [1] http://mikecherim.com/gbcms_xml/news_page.php?id=6 Why do you think it's safe to assume that bad

Re: [WSG] Multiple stylesheets

2006-06-08 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Paul Bennett wrote: I recall many moons ago a site which had multiple stylesheets (using the link element). In Firefox, a small icon appeared at the bottom pane of the browser and allowed the user to switch between stylesheets. Can anyone point me to a site that uses this technique? I'd like

Re: [WSG] Using PHP to hide email, script made, testing needed

2006-06-08 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Why do you think it's safe to assume that bad bots won't send User-Agent headers claiming to be IE, Firefox or any other browser they like? Even if some bots do send different UA strings, this script relies on a false assumption and, thus,

[WSG] UPDATE TO: Using PHP to hide email, script made, testing needed

2006-06-08 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
Hello group, It appears my experimental solution may be partially viable, but not fully reliable due to user agent spoofing. In other words, until more testing and tweaking can be done, the script should NOT be used unless you fully undertstand that your email may be exposed. I just wanted to

Re: [WSG] UPDATE TO: Using PHP to hide email, script made, testing needed

2006-06-08 Thread James Laugesen
I've rarely seen weird user agents (suggesting spam bots) hitting any of my hosted sites, but definitely seen a lot of spam find it's way through them. So I dare-say yes, user agent spoofing is very common... I'd even say the norm. All the user agent information is simply sent in the header of the

Re: [WSG] Using PHP to hide email, script made, testing needed

2006-06-08 Thread Michael Cordover
I suggest it wouldn't be too much of a stretch for a spambot to do a bit of regex matching... I'll put it in php because that's what I know. First you'd preprocess the page using a javascript processor. This is an effort but quite possible - perhaps steal some firefox code to do this, which

[WSG] Solutions against spam bots WAS: Using PHP to hide email, script made, testing needed

2006-06-08 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike at Green-Beast.com Sent: Friday, 9 June 2006 1:39 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Using PHP to hide email, script made, testing needed The sad part is, even

Re: [WSG] UPDATE TO: Using PHP to hide email, script made, testing needed

2006-06-08 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote: Do all spam-bots disguise themselves as common UAs? Common or the exception to the rule? Does anyone have a handle on numbers or some percentages? That is impossible to determine because, by their very nature, there is no apparent distinguishing feature between