Re: [WSG] Google Accessible Search Released
General google page ranking is based on incoming links . Link farms exploit the algorithm, so google downgrade sites with over 100 links. The search engine ranking of google is a travesty on the English language. Writing pages for SEOinvolves lots of repitition of key words. An English Thesaurus is like the crucifix to the devil for google page ranking. Use MSN or Yahoo anything but the advertising factory. Tim I doubt google would sacrifice revenue for accessibility. On 21/07/2006, at 10:09 AM, Ben Buchanan wrote: I sent the team the following email this morning... Subject: A nice first step... Well said. It's kind of spectacular that Google can produce an accessible search and STILL not make a best-practice search form or results page! :) But it does at least show that it is possible to rank accessible sites higher than tag soup; perhaps we should by lobbying Google to add this to their general search. -Ben -- --- http://www.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** The Editor Heretic Press http://www.hereticpress.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] PDF link in XHTML???
Michael, Can you post the js or send it to me please.Cheers!!!AlOn 7/20/06, Michael Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Sorry,I found the way to make it... just a _javascript_ MichaelMichael Persson wrote: Dear supporters of standards and XHTML, I am trying to add a PDF file link to visitors to open or download. by clicking the hyperlink nothing happens accept that the file is not found... What am i suppose to do with this file if not view it or download it.. this is my link defined with a type application, still dont work!! a href="" class=subMenuOn type=application/pdfRestoration Process 2/a Please help me Michael ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **--Michael Persson[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Miaouli 19, 10554 Athens, GreeceTel: +30/210/3227400Fax : +30/210/3227410www.mozaik.com http://www.mozaik.com **The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help** -- Cheers!Al Kendall **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] how to create nested links in a side-navigation
Soeren,
on Friday, July 21, 2006 at 10:20 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote:
For navigation on the right site I like to use a nested list.
What is the best way to produce a nested list?
Did I do the list below correct?
Yes, your list is valid, but I think you intend it a bit different:
h2Departments-Overview/h2
ul
li 1
ul
li 1.1
ul
li 1.1.1
ul
li 1.1.1.1 /li
li 1.1.1.2 /li
li 1.1.1.3 /li
li 1.1.1.4 /li
/ul
/li
li 1.1.2 /li
li 1.1.3 /li
li 1.1.4 /li
/ul
/li
li 1.2 /li
li 1.3 /li
li 1.4 /li
/ul
/li
li 2 /li
li 3 /li
li 4 /li
/ul
Does anybody has a suggestion of what style to use, so that it will be
still usable and accessible, of course without JavaScript?
If you want to show/hide parts of the nested list dynamically, I'd
suggest to implement it in JavaScript. With pure CSS-hovers you will
run into some usability issues. You should show the whole list by
default and hide some of the levels when the document has loaded. Like
that the navigation will be usable even if JavaScript is disabled.
There may be another way to initially hide all/some of the higher
levels and link the sections to index-pages on which the part of the
tree where the sections belongs to, is shown.
Think, the best way would be a hover-effect (a:hover), although I realy
do not like it, cause it will surely touch
the content! One problem is, that the complete opened list will stretch
too far in the horizontal, so that the navigation
has to be extreme wide, maybe 300 up to 400px, especially when using
0.85em for the size of letters.
I don't understand this one... The width depends on how you are going
to style the list and how you name the navigation items. You could use
a dynamic fly-out menu (which I wouldn't recommend) or something like
an accordion. It's up to you.
You can control the indentation of the nested lists too, that it
won't stretch too far.
To style the list, use the decendant selector:
ul {}
ul li {}
ul li ul {}
ul li ul li {}
ul li.open ul li {}
...
Make use of the inheritance as much as you can.
Much fun!
regards
Martin
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RE: [WSG] how to create nested links in a side-navigation
Hi All As everyone knows, there are a million ways of coding the nested navigation schemes. The Son of Suckerfish is one method. Thierry K. has a more accessible version on tjkdesign: http://tjkdesign.com/articles/dropdown/default.asp . The latest version of the Yahoo User Interface Library also comes with a menu function that is worth looking at: http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/menu/ . Personally, I think it is too heavy and a bit clunky for a simple navigation with possibly one dropdown. But if you are working with something like the below list, it is a good idea. It was developed with keyboard and screen-reader users in mind. It's easy to use and can generate the lists dynamically or take static content. It also has the built in iframe hack for those dealing with IE6 z-index issues (scream!) You can see the libraries here: http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/ . If you are currently using the libraries, you should update your links to use the latest versions. They crew is constantly working to make it leaner, faster, and better. Ted Drake Yahoo! Tech - Tech Made Easy Member of the Yahoo! Accessibility Stakeholders Group Did you know: Fully justified text alignment is an accessibility problem for dyslexia. The random width word spacing makes it difficult to read. -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Heiden Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 5:15 AM To: Soeren Mordhorst Subject: Re: [WSG] how to create nested links in a side-navigation Soeren, on Friday, July 21, 2006 at 10:20 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: For navigation on the right site I like to use a nested list. What is the best way to produce a nested list? Did I do the list below correct? Yes, your list is valid, but I think you intend it a bit different: h2Departments-Overview/h2 ul li 1 ul li 1.1 ul li 1.1.1 ul li 1.1.1.1 /li li 1.1.1.2 /li li 1.1.1.3 /li li 1.1.1.4 /li /ul /li li 1.1.2 /li li 1.1.3 /li li 1.1.4 /li /ul /li li 1.2 /li li 1.3 /li li 1.4 /li /ul /li li 2 /li li 3 /li li 4 /li /ul Does anybody has a suggestion of what style to use, so that it will be still usable and accessible, of course without JavaScript? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Hungarian notation for JavaScript and ActionScript?
Roberto Gorjão wrote: Hi! I would like to know how you feel about the use of the Hungarian notation in JavaScript. As this language does not distinguish between variable's types, this seems to me a good practice as it helps one to avoid errors and maintain code consistency. What's your opinion? Do you use it? I think Hungarian notation should be avoided in any language, but is seems to me that it just becomes an extra annoyance with no added value in a typeless language like JavaScript. -- Carl. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Rounded Corners
Hi! I was trying NiftyCube for make rounded corner on my new website. But if I use (as I do) dimensions in em or % insted of px this library doesn't work so ok. NiftyCube is a Javascript library that makes possibile to have rounded corners with xhtml + css and without images. Anyone has a better way to do rounded corners for a VERY VERY large site. (several templates) -- Atentamente, Jorge Laranjo email [EMAIL PROTECTED] gTalk [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype jorge.laranjo http://www.olhares.com/fueg0/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/fueg0/ http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/102876.html ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Rounded Corners
hello, there are extensive lists of several css-only and css js methods for creating rounded corners on http://chronotron.wordpress.com/2006/05/14/nifty-css-rounded-corners-extensive-list/and http://www.econsultant.com/web-developer/css-rounded-corners/ there. greetinx from viennaOn 7/21/06, Jorge Laranjo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I was trying NiftyCube for make rounded corner on my new website.But if I use (as I do) dimensions in em or % insted of px this library doesn't work so ok.NiftyCube is a _javascript_ library that makes possibile to have roundedcorners with xhtml + css and without images.Anyone has a better way to do rounded corners for a VERY VERY large site. (several templates)--Atentamente,Jorge Laranjoemail [EMAIL PROTECTED]gTalk [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn [EMAIL PROTECTED]aim [EMAIL PROTECTED]skype jorge.laranjo http://www.olhares.com/fueg0/http://www.flickr.com/photos/fueg0/http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/102876.html **The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help** -- "He gave man speech, and speech created thought, which is the measure of the Universe." (Prometheus Unbound, Shelley) **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] Hungarian notation for JavaScript and ActionScript?
On 7/21/06, Carl Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Hungarian notation should be avoided in any language, but is seems to me that it just becomes an extra annoyance with no added value in a typeless language like JavaScript. I'd tend to agree with the last bit - without the need to cast variables into different types to use them in e.g. string concatenation, Hungarian Notation would just be confusing in Javascript. I think it has its place when working in very large development teams though, as it can aid comprehension of functionality (although good commenting should fulfil this purpose ideally). ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] PDF link in XHTML???
Title: Re: [WSG] PDF link in XHTML??? On 7/21/06 2:57 PM, Shlomi Asaf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: whats the problem with pdf links in XHTML? and why u need js for them? My thought exactly. We do it all the time. -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] Hungarian notation for JavaScript and ActionScript?
At 09:28 AM 7/21/2006, Carl Reynolds wrote: I think Hungarian notation should be avoided in any language, but is seems to me that it just becomes an extra annoyance with no added value in a typeless language like JavaScript. Stating that Hungarian Notation should be avoided sounds like you know of some deleterious effects it has on software development. Is this the case or is it merely a matter of personal taste for you? For a few pro con arguments see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation#Criticisms I believe anything that helps a programmer write better code is a valuable tool for that individual. I started using Hungarian Notation consistently a couple of years ago and I find it helps me write tighter code. Typing my variables helps me remember their purpose and the range of values I'm using them to store, and makes it less likely that I'll run afoul of asymmetrical rules of usage which exist even in ostensibly typeless languages such as JavaScript. In JavaScript, while conversion between types occurs silently, those types do exist in the underlying language structure -- hence the operator 'typeof': http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Core_JavaScript_1.5_Reference:Operators:Special_Operators:typeof_Operator JavaScript operators can have different effects on different types of values -- for example, compare the use of + to join strings with strings, strings with numerics, and numerics with numerics: 37 - 7 // returns 30 37 + 7 // returns 377 37 + 7 // returns 42 http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Core_JavaScript_1.5_Guide:Values#Data_Type_Conversion Also, methods vary significantly from one type of object to another; to use JavaScript without regard to type would mean avoiding objects such as Math, String, and RegExp and their methods. I do use these objects, and I help myself remember the type of object by prefixing the variable name. I can see that type-notating variables would be an annoyance if one used the same variable to store different types of value in the course of a single program. I don't do this, so perhaps it's more a difference in programming style than notation that we're pointing to here. Regards, Paul ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] PDF link in XHTML???
On 7/21/06 5:05 PM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm guessing that the crux of his problem, though not stated, was that he wanted to open it in a new window Target=_blank -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] PDF link in XHTML???
Tom Livingston wrote: Target=_blank in XHTML (see original subject line) -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] PDF link in XHTML???
The problem I was having is that in FF my pdf file would not open. I thought it was general problem with FF, but after doing some more digging from other advice I found it was the settings in my FF browser. All the other browsers I had worked fine. As for opening a new window, I don't want that to happen. I removed all the (Target=_blank ) from my script ages ago. So as you can see my problem, and therfore why I was looking at the js was because of browser settings which are all fixed now. P.S. Ted's take of the pro's con's of how to handle .pdf files was very enlightening.Cheers!!AlOn 7/22/06, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Shlomi Asaf wrote: whats the problem with pdf links in XHTML? and why u need js for them?I'm guessing that the crux of his problem, though not stated, was thathe wanted to open it in a new window...but I may be wrong. Either that, or he found a way to force the open/download dialog via js(when really you shouldn't mess with how the user agent deals withPDFs...it's the user's responsibility to either disabled the browser plugin for viewing PDFs or to right-click save as...)P--Patrick H. Lauke__re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.]www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com__Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Forcehttp://webstandards.org/ __**The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help** -- Cheers!Al Kendall **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] Rounded Corners
try these http://www.html.it/articoli/nifty/index.htmlCheers!!!AlOn 7/22/06, Jorge Laranjo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I was trying NiftyCube for make rounded corner on my new website.But if I use (as I do) dimensions in em or % insted of px this librarydoesn't work so ok.NiftyCube is a _javascript_ library that makes possibile to have rounded corners with xhtml + css and without images.Anyone has a better way to do rounded corners for a VERY VERY large site.(several templates)--Atentamente,Jorge Laranjoemail [EMAIL PROTECTED]gTalk [EMAIL PROTECTED]msn [EMAIL PROTECTED]aim [EMAIL PROTECTED]skype jorge.laranjohttp://www.olhares.com/fueg0/http://www.flickr.com/photos/fueg0/ http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/102876.html**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **-- Cheers!Al Kendall **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] PDF link in XHTML???
On Saturday 22 July 2006 07:42, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Tom Livingston wrote: Target=_blank in XHTML (see original subject line) You can use the target attribute in XHTML, just not with Strict Doctypes, and none of the postings have mentioned doctype or whether this is being served as application/xhtml+xml or text/html. Ted and Thierry's script is a work around this limitation when using Strict Doctypes (and very well done IMHO). -- Regards, Steve Bathurst Computer Solutions URL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 _ ... (0) ... / / \ .. / / . ) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! Registered Linux User #355382 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Hungarian notation for JavaScript and ActionScript?
Roberto Gorjão wrote: Hi! Disclaimer: I have never used Hungarian notation, and most likely never will. I have heard that Hungarian notation is most useful for server-side scripts (PHP, ASP) etc to distinguish between safe and unsafe strings. Perhaps with AJAX/HIJAX it may be useful for the same purpose? Kat ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
