RE: [WSG] OT? - spam in forms
Captcha's are evil, not accessible, and a real pain for the end user. Maybe use akismet (http://akismet.com)? If you look on the development page, there are a number of people who have written tools that work with the akismet API (it's quite simple). Perhaps you could just pass the message part to the akismet engine, if it comes back as spam, simply reject it... -Original Message- From: Designer Subject: [WSG] OT? - spam in forms Sorry if this is OT - can anyone point me to a solution? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] semantics : was-[HR tag and Semantics]
Oh dear god, can someone please stick a fork in this thread... it's long past done. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Gap in IE
Might be a red-herring, but have you tried removing all the blank lines between your divs in the HTML?? From: Jermayn Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Gap in IE In IE underneath the top section a gap appears while in firefox it doesnt. I have come accross this problem before but cannot remember the solution *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Hardware/OS setup recommendations
The Apple 30 display has a native resolution of 2560x1600. From: Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Hardware/OS setup recommendations If 1536 or more vertical exists, it might not be too bad, but I've never seen one. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Hardware/OS setup recommendations
I have two on my desk right in front of me. From: Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Hardware/OS setup recommendations Know anybody who has seen one? I've only seen pictures of one. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ?
Here is how I do it, in PHP: $text = preg_replace(/([.!?]|#8230;)(#8221;|#8217;|\x22|\x27|\))?\s+([A-Z])/ , \\1\\2nbsp; \\3, $text); $text = preg_replace(/(Mr.|Mrs.|Ms.|Dr.|Drs.)nbsp; /, \\1 , $text); (Of course this got all hammered by line-wrap in this email, but you get the idea.) First one looks for cases that need an extra space and puts in nbsp; . Second one fixes the overzealous Mr., Mrs., etc cases. This works, handles the whole inside quotes, parens, etc. problem, even catches all the funky smart quotes, and ellipses. The nbsp; makes line wrap still work. Don't know why everyone seems to think this is so complicated. Regular expressions are your friend... -Original Message- From: Designer Subject: Re: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ? But can you point to an actual example of how to do this? Apart from the (complex) problems of avoiding Mr. Mrs. etc, I often use PHP and this is riddled with 'periods' where I don't want spaces. It seems to me to be a complex issue to select only . and replace with . ? But then, you probably know something I don't! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ?
There was quite the flame war on this topic about a month ago, you might want to check archives... You will certainly get some responses in the why would you do that, it's old-school, and it's wrong variety. But I insist on it as well on my site, and I have done a great deal of research on how to accomplish it. In short, there is no good CSS way to do this, and there is really only one way to accomplish it: with nbsp;space. This preserves line breaking and provides the necessary space. I do it reliably through PHP on my site, if you want to see my regular expression code that does it, talk to me off list, and I'll happily give you the code (I was attacked the last time I posted it...). If you want/need to do it with HTML, I can only think of inserting it by hand... A real PITA. HTH, Chris From: Nick Roper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ? A client has requested that the content on their site has two spaces between the end of one sentence and the start of the next. We could do it by using non-breaking spaces, but is there a better way of achieving this - possibly with CSS? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Using JS to generate navigation links [was: a js snippet that can generate xhtml/css validation links]
Nice script. One quibble... You say validate section 580, but it's section 508 :) From: Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Using JS to generate navigation links [was: a js snippet that can generate xhtml/css validation links] This is an unobtrusive script that will generate those links for you: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/easy_way_to_generate_validation_links.asp *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] a js snippet that can generate xhtml/css validation links
On my site, the links only appear when an administrative user is logged in. From: Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] a js snippet that can generate xhtml/css validation links Oh great, so for the mere mortal users these already cryptic and useless links can become even more useless and cryptic because, when clicked, they then take them to an even more ominous error page? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] a js snippet that can generate xhtml/css validation links
Slapping head with a great Homer-esque Doh... Thx... From: Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] a js snippet that can generate xhtml/css validation links For that, you might as well just put the links in your toolbar... when you click a link in your toolbar (such as your bookmarks) you send the referrer, so you can easily validate any site as long as the link is in your browser. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] a js snippet that can generate xhtml/css validation links
You don't need a snippet of code. Just put in: http://validator.w3.org/check/referer And http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/check/referer These will check the page that called them... From: Tee G. Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I wonder if there is (free) js code out there that can generate xhtml/css validation links that people put at the bottom of their sites. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] a js snippet that can generate xhtml/css validation links
Assuming that the user in this case is the developer who is developing the site (the only one who has a reason for the output), then they can unblock it... From: Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] a js snippet that can generate xhtml/css validation links As long as the user's browser doesn't have referer blocking, such as is the case with Norton Internet Security if I remember correctly. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Double space after a period
This horse is long since dead, and I apologize for continuing this rather silly typographic conversation, but several people have said this (computer typefaces are smarter than a typewriter). Simply put, computer typefaces are not magic, and they do not somehow magically deduce their context and decide that this period . is in the middle of a sentence, this one is inside a quote. And this one follows a title for Mr. Brown. And so on. A typeface (font) is a typeface by character. Periods (and question marks and exclamation marks) have no additional space after them, or they wouldnt work inside a quote (like this one.) You have to add a space. Or spaces. Justifier code (code that justifies text both left and right) *is* smart, and it adds space first at the ends of sentences, then around commas and semi-colons, then between words, etc. But thats not the font, and thats not what happens in non-justified text. What remains is the question about whether this is good design/style. I prefer it, and think it reads better with a larger space after the conclusion of a sentence. Your mileage may vary. From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kay Smoljak Subject: Re: [WSG] Re: [css-d] Double space after a period] Computer typefaces are smarter than that, so the extra space is no longer required for readable text. ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
RE: [WSG] Re: [css-d] Double space after a period]
This has clearly veered off topic, and I'm just waiting for a moderator comment... :) It's not really that complicated. Just look for a capital letter following a period, pay attention to quoted strings, and Mr., Ms., etc. and replace the intervening white space(s) with nbsp; . I use a couple simple preg_replaces to solve it. -Original Message- From: Joshua Street Subject: Re: [WSG] Re: [css-d] Double space after a period] I'd argue non breaking spaces are better if you're trying to automate it, because catching double spaces and making them #160; or nbsp; is generally lots safer than trying to catch periods -- i.e. blah becomes i.e. blah if you're checking for . or, if you're just searching for periods, i. e. blah which is just getting ridiculous. But that has little to do with markup and everything to do with server side fun (fun, but not on this list), so I'll leave it alone for now. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Re: [css-d] Double space after a period]
My only modification of this would be to use nbsp; rather than nbsp; nbsp;. It appears to me that some UA's word wrap the former better. From: Peter Firminger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] Re: [css-d] Double space after a period] I'd search for a double space following a period and replace it with .nbsp;nbsp; (on output to the html page) leaving it up to them to be careful about their space bar usage. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Bad Design Principles
I'm a big fan of the way its only response to resizing of the text is to scoot further and further down the page. Nothing else changes. Very user friendly. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Bad Design Principles Thoughts? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Bad Design Principles
What, the fact that there is none? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Bad Design Principles I do see a glaring CSS mistake though. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Bad Design Principles
OK then: 1) Completely invisible to Google and other search bots 2) Tiny type that is readable only by 20-year old eyes, and it gets even smaller the further you drill into the site. 3) No response to UA changes in type size to resolve #2 4) Patently inaccessible to those with disabilities. There's not even so much as a single alt= 5) Incredibly wasteful of real estate on any screen larger than 800x600 6) Because of all the photos, it loads slowly even on my T1 line 7) Why is a shot of their corporate headquarters meaningful for a music company? A bank, fine. A music company? 8) The text is drivel. To wit: The Davitt Hanser Music Co. hopes to get its hold on... Hopes to get its hold on? What are they? Rapists? 9) The bottom left link is broken (the bottom left photo) Need more? I have dozens... Like the quote from Jack Hasner from Magazine... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Bad Design Principles So good arguments are appreciated and is what I was intending this post to provoke. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Article: using JS to plug IMG in headings
How about a perfect image replacement technique rather than the... -Original Message- From: Thierry Koblentz Subject: Re: [WSG] Article: using JS to plug IMG in headings 1. conforming absolutely to the description or definition of an ideal type *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] I Hate Internet Explorer Pt 2
Sure. http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ -Original Message- From: Hrvoje Markovic Subject: Re: [WSG] I Hate Internet Explorer Pt 2 Is there somewhere a list of what/how IE interperates html/css differently from, let's say Firefox? And how to make a page work in both? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG CMS] Re: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org
Title: Re: [WSG CMS] Re: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org The comments about joomla vs. wordpress are simply wrong. First, its an article about how to get wordpress to work inside joomla and why thats hard. Duh... As the old joke goes: if it hurts when you do that, dont do that. Second, WP is not customizable? Ummm, its open-source... Customize to your hearts content. See my site: http://clwill.com, tell me if it looks like WP? But its all WP, top to bottom. All searchable, all in a CMS. All free... Third, the list of things it cant do? Ummm... My site does them all, I believe?? Finally, I see from your sig, that you might have reason to support Joomla, as the operator of the Joomla shack, and someone who makes a living off it... :) From: Barrie North [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG CMS] Re: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org Thoughts on Wordpress http://www.compassdesigns.net/joomla-blog/joomla-reviews/why-you-want-to-use-joomla-instead-of-wordpress.html (not quite on topic, a post about the wordpress tool for Joomla. Regardless, Joomla is designed to be extended, I would argue WP is not) Barrie North www.joomlashack.com http://www.joomlashack.com www.compassdesigns.net http://www.compassdesigns.net Phone: (802) 291-3973 Fax: (802) 609-0427 World Class Professional Web Services with Joomla Read the Joomla Blog www.compassdesigns.net/joomla-blog http://www.compassdesigns.net/joomla-blog **Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]**
Re: [WSG CMS] Re: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org
Don't want to come off as the WP zealot here, but some of the busiest blogs in the world are run on WP... It has the horsepower... From: Absalom Media [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG CMS] Re: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org MT, Expression and WP, whilst functional for blogs *and* accessible, don't have the processing grunt of something like Drupal/CivicSpace.. which remains overkill even for a CMS. ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: [WSG CMS] Re: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org
Title: Re: [WSG CMS] Re: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org Forgot to mention that my site was achieved without modifying core WP code. Its all a theme and one small plug-in (about 30 lines of code). From: Chris Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG CMS] Re: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org Second, WP is not customizable? Ummm, its open-source... Customize to your hearts content. See my site: http://clwill.com, tell me if it looks like WP? But its all WP, top to bottom. All searchable, all in a CMS. All free... **Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]**
RE: [WSG CMS] Strict CMS
At the risk of taking this thread somewhere else completely, I would suggest you consider Wordpress (wordpress.org). Yes, it's a blogging tool, but in point of fact it's little more than a CMS with a bent toward blogging. My whole site (http://clwill.com) is driven by it, and yet the blog is only one part of it. Because of this CMS nature I get things like searching and tagging for free. WP is infinitely configurable, easy to write/post in, and has 12-bazillion third-party plug-ins to do a huge range of things. No, it doesn't do your laundry list of things right out of the box, but if you want flexibility built on a solid base (its been downloaded over a million times), it's a great place to start... for free. Just my $0.02, Chris -Original Message- From: Bruce Subject: Re: [WSG CMS] Strict CMS My only criteria for a CMS is configurability. I have installed Drupal, Mambo and related on quite a few occasions. Always seems to be configuration issues. Using them as is will be fine, but I always found that when you want to do customizations, anything more than a drop in template, the way they are programmed, the templates, menu systems etc make it very difficult to do so. Perhaps I am wrong? I really don't think so but have known many saying the same thing... ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
RE: [WSG] font standards today
Let us become weary of this thread, for at the proper time we will give up reading it. Chris 8:31:06 -Original Message- From: Felix Miata Subject: Re: [WSG] font standards today yadda, yadda -- Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Galatians 6:9 NIV *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] font standards today
Title: Re: [WSG] font standards today Youre right, this is a very good discussion. The argument made by many is that you dont get it, the web is a whole new paradigm. And that you should just let the user control everything. But that argument is specious. Its as bad now as it was in the dot-com boom of the end of the last century. The web didnt magically get everyone to buy their groceries on line, and doesnt change the fact that people still need to be enticed by good design. These same kind of people made arguments that it was a whole new world in TV and all the rules were different from radio (or talkies from silents). But really it just added a variable people had to look reasonably well, and performers could no longer come in to perform in their pajamas. But many of the same rules still existed: you had to have good content, the production values had to be there, etc. Smart producers recognized the new added dimension of video and did more than simply have talking heads. What the web does do is introduce new variables in the medium that werent there with magazines, or TV, or radio. Users have a choice in some aspects of the contents presentation. Smart designers will not fight this and try to lock their users down completely, but let them have reasonable control. And they will still be creating designs that work in a reasonably accessible way. But this doesnt mean design is pointless, and it doesnt mean every font choice in a site where design is important should be just randomly left to the user. From: Susie Gardner-Brown Subject: Re: [WSG] font standards today Faced with the choice between the same content presented as (1) an attractive colourful graphic magazine and (2) a typewritten (courier font!) stapled bunch of pages, what would the user choose I wonder?! (not!) ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]*** ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
RE: [WSG] font standards today
Of course the argument is that, I as the user have selected a default font for my browser that I like, or that I can easily read, or that is the right size for my vision, or... and you, as the web site creator have no right to override that. Therefore, you shouldn't specify a font at all, because, if you do, it overrides my default font choice. The issue isn't that I don't *have* the font you chose, it's that I don't *want* the font you chose. As I already noted, I feel that this is taking it a bit far. What I do agree with Felix and others on is that taking graphics so far the other way as to present text solely in graphics just to get some silly presentation risks makes a site unusable for a wide variety of people. That's simply wrong too -- going down the other end of the spectrum. As in most things, a path down the middle somewhere is the most reasonable... -Original Message- From: Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] Subject: RE: [WSG] font standards today Why not use unusual fonts to make the design look good (of course keeping legibility in mind - that is part of a good design). Provide a fall-back for those users that don't have the font and make sure your design still works and the font is still easy to read. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
