Re: [WSG] web check
P, what's 'Multiviews'... Lise, it's Apache's feature, part of content negotiation apparatus: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/content-negotiation.html#multiviews The effect of MultiViews is as follows: if the server receives a request for /some/dir/foo, if /some/dir has MultiViews enabled, and /some/dir/foo does not exist, then the server reads the directory looking for files named foo.*, and effectively fakes up a type map which names all those files, assigning them the same media types and content-encodings it would have if the client had asked for one of them by name. It then chooses the best match to the client's requirements. I hope this explains it (even though I'm not P ;) -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Usability Questions for Quicktime
The fact that *some* users get a poor experience with Quicktime content is exactly why Sarah should go with Flash. Absolutely. I advised that earlier in this thread. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Usability Questions for Quicktime
Quicktime is that the files tend to be bulky, and there's no way they have the quality that a Flash video file will. That's not precisely true, the Sorenson and H.24(4|3) are pretty much similar in effectiveness to VP6 (and some of the codecs are even shared among these containers). All depends on processing settings. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Usability Questions for Quicktime
1. What is the best way to hide the movie from browsers that don't support quicktime (or from users who don't want to download quicktime)? To use an UFO/SWFObject alternative for QT, or Satay-like QT alternative w/ fallbacks. 2. Is there a different file format which is more universal? Flash - FLV. Great compression effectiveness, 97% reach (compared to ca. 66% of QT), pretty much platform independent (sans non-x86 or x64 unix). -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Usability Questions for Quicktime
QuickTime to be more accessible to screen readers, generally? It's generally the same - no one advised you to autostart the playback etc., so as long as the Flash could receive focus and start the playback via AT, it's okay. I am most concerned about usability/accessibility issues with this project. It may sound weird for some orthodox web guys that Flash could be more usable and accessible in some context, but due to a large standardization of the video playback interface it's generally perceived as a transparent component, easy to use. I've noticed also that Flash has developed better keyboard operation and AT API/support than an average embedded system media player. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Re: SUP
'Morgen, My hardline semantics reply would be... Math (a2), square units (km2), Should be MathML? chemistry formulas (Na2CO3) ... ChemML? I exactly know your reason for putting it this way, but (and the same goes for modularity) it does not serve the common needs (read: a straightforward use without a heavy overhead stuff) of marking up the simple construction used just for a common unit. (I know you use the form of sqm and mph but we have solely m^2 and kmh^-1). I'm not talking scientific stuff, weird formulas or equations. Speaking of which .. the numbers 0-9 should be available in Unicode in both subscript and superscript if I'm not mistaken, so it should cover this basic usage. we're thinking XHTML 2.0 for a second That's what I tried not to do. The reason? When I hear XHTML2 two things pop up in my mind ... W3C and IE, I don't quite know which one is more distant from the ideas of HTML and web at all. Honestly, it gets weary to think in the theoretical field over and over after some time. And you know what I mean, I'd like to see it in real ... once. Or see my kids working with it / using it at some point ;) Theoretically, would you like it more if it were called indexsomething /? Possibly, yes. That was what I thought - the element serves its purpose ... at least to some extent; it's only stupidly called and treated ;) (Take it with a grain of salt, as always.) -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This message and its attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information. It is intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message or its attachments to anyone. Rather, you should permanently delete this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Any content of this message and its attachments which does not relate to the official business of the sending company must be taken not to have been sent or endorsed by that company or any of its related entities. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. This message and its attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information. It is intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message or its attachments to anyone. Rather, you should permanently delete this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Any content of this message and its attachments which does not relate to the official business of the sending company must be taken not to have been sent or endorsed by that company or any of its related entities. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** application/ms-tnef
[WSG] Re: SUP
So, what occasion was it, exactly? Math (a2), square units (km2), chemistry formulas (Na2CO3) ... however ... I see it more as an exponent|index|agent|factor / (metaphorically, if you know what I mean) than simply sup|sub / but at least there's a tool for marking up that difference in a document. Theoretically, would you like it more if it were called indexsomething /? -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Re: SUP
'Morgen, My hardline semantics reply would be... Math (a2), square units (km2), Should be MathML? chemistry formulas (Na2CO3) ... ChemML? I exactly know your reason for putting it this way, but (and the same goes for modularity) it does not serve the common needs (read: a straightforward use without a heavy overhead stuff) of marking up the simple construction used just for a common unit. (I know you use the form of sqm and mph but we have solely m^2 and kmh^-1). I'm not talking scientific stuff, weird formulas or equations. Speaking of which ... the numbers 0-9 should be available in Unicode in both subscript and superscript if I'm not mistaken, so it should cover this basic usage. we're thinking XHTML 2.0 for a second That's what I tried not to do. The reason? When I hear XHTML2 two things pop up in my mind ... W3C and IE, I don't quite know which one is more distant from the ideas of HTML and web at all. Honestly, it gets weary to think in the theoretical field over and over after some time. And you know what I mean, I'd like to see it in real ... once. Or see my kids working with it / using it at some point ;) Theoretically, would you like it more if it were called indexsomething /? Possibly, yes. That was what I thought - the element serves its purpose ... at least to some extent; it's only stupidly called and treated ;) (Take it with a grain of salt, as always.) -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG CMS] AJAX Editor anyone?
Well, Peter, I think you'd just need to attach one of the WYSIWYGs to the textarea you create on-the-fly, the only difference would be raising the onload/initialization events not after a page loads, but after you replace the text element with the textarea element, it sounds pretty straightforward in theory. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: [WSG CMS] AJAX Editor anyone?
Something like this (for TinyMCE in this case): http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/punbb/viewtopic.php?pid=14101 -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: [WSG CMS] AJAX Editor anyone?
This is the problem. I am really not good at JavaScript and all my attempts have failed, hence my asking here. And have you found the links from the threads I mentioned? It's working here: http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/tinymce/examples/testcases/toggle_editor.htm -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: [WSG] Articles/reasearch/experience of screen readers
I would love any links to articles/archived polemic/research studies/the appropriate list... If anybody here has actual experience of a screen reader, I would be overjoyed to hear from them. Joe Clark or James Edwards aka Brothercake are practicing screen reader testing with various some-technology-enabled sites to test AT behaviour.[1][2] (Plus there's one more on this from Bruce Lawson.[3]) If you're looking for a dedicated forum, you could try AccessifyForum.com [4] ... BTW I use VoiceOver on MacOS X pretty often. The same goes for inverted color scheme or zoomed screen - my eyes simply hurt after a whole day stuck to a display... The issue I see nowadays is where the assistive technology doesn't quite catch up with the recent best-practice (sorry to lean it all towards JS/DOM...). One thing is having an accessible content, however I really believe the AT should be built in the system in such way that it could really handle all the information a sighted user could get, and process it for the screen reader. Derek, I'm talking about non-linear DOM changes or generally event announcement. I think we quite agreed on that with Tomas Caspers and Brothercake. BTW a half year ago I commented on this topic under Garrett's article[5], and maybe made the same mistake of mentioning turning JS off as Derek did some time ago if I'm not mistaken. [1]http://joeclark.org/access/research/ice/iceweb2006-notes.html [2]http://www.sitepoint.com/print/ajax-screenreaders-work [3]http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/index.php/2006/ajax-accessibility-and-assistive-technology/ [4]http://www.accessifyforum.com/ [5]http://www.garrettdimon.com/archives/front-end-architecture-ajax-dom-scripting -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Semantic syntax highlighting of PHP-code
See the output of the classes. I kind of like the classnames like .php-var .html-tag .html-quote .html-entity .css-class .css-id .java-comment .java-preproc .js-out .js-num .sql-option etc. ... However I don't have a particular opinion on the possible improvement of the whole concept. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Validates only EN?
But anyway, all of this is very constructed, I only wanted to show that in my opinion an official DTD declared to be spanish doesn't make the doctype or DTD-definition invalid, and also by no means should confuse a browser or validator. You can file a validator bug then, maybe? -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Validate multiple (X)HTML pages
anyone know a good site/piece of software you can get to check your whole site for validation errors? http://htmlhelp.com/tools/validator/ Another bonus would be one that accepts password information on protected sites. If you need some sort of private use, you might try to compile W3C Validator from source and suit it to your needs. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Semantic syntax highlighting of PHP-code
I'm happily using these two: http://hvge.sk/scripts/fshl/ http://qbnz.com/highlighter/ -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] What version of IE should be build to
IE7 handles transparent PNGs, and IE5.5 and 6 can use a proprietary filter to display them correctly. Issue with the filter is that it can't be applied to tiled background. The stats I have (massive europe-wide company dealing directly with all types of consumer) is that IE5 is below 0.1%, IE5.5 around 1.2% and IE6 still at 85-90% usage. In entry analysis for our recent client (publishing company, technical book store) we found that IE5 is 1.2% which means approx. the same as Safari - it is a bit disappointing. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] What version of IE should be build to
Issue with the filter is that it can't be applied to tiled background. Works fine on my site. Neither #header nor a#logo have *tiled* backgrounds. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] What version of IE should be build to
! -[if IE 7] link href=/css/ie7.css type=text/css rel=stylesheet media=all/ ![endif]- ! -[if lte IE 6] link href=/css/ie6.css type=text/css rel=stylesheet media=all/ ![endif]- I'd go for the option of one IE-stylesheet with separating the browsers inside (direct selectors for IE7-specific issues, * html foo for IE6- etc.). -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] What version of IE should be build to
Don't use * html! That won't work. How comes? You maybe didn't understand what I meant. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] What version of IE should be build to
Neither #header nor a#logo have *tiled* backgrounds. Sorry, thought you meant PNGs placed on top of a tiled background. Yup, I thought so ;) The issue is when you'd need the actual transparent background to repeat, then you can't use the filter. It would be handy in various stretching/collapsing boxes, shrinking headers, or just translucent shadows etc. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] What version of IE should be build to
Who knows what future problems may come with *html? Future problems when targeting back to particular (dead) browsers do not bother me. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Adding css files from JavaScript?
Can you not just create a new LINK element and give it an HREF, then append it to the HEAD? Doesn't work in Safari. For Safari you have to simply output the whole 'link ... /' strings to the document. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Adding css files from JavaScript?
append it to the HEAD? Doesn't work in Safari. Sorry, this is true for appending JS files via DOM (don't know the situation with CSS files) ... my bad. The next time I'll read the whole question properly ;) -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] email stripping out the css from tables?
a problem with setting a negative top margin Hotmail doesn't handle margin property, see http://www.campaignmonitor.com/blog/archives/2006/03/a_guide_to_css_1.html#web - maybe there's a valid reason for going this way: http://www.campaignmonitor.com/blog/archives/2006/04/tip_using_css_t.html -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] A seismic shift in browser usage for me ....
See: http://virtuelvis.com/archives/2005/05/statistics-nonsense ...for more on statistics. The guy is using maybe interesting arguments, but it is far from general true, as he is referring exclusively to log-analysis with wrong settings and/or obsolete stats packages. If you have a methodology that works, is almost accurate and you know there are no quirks in how any agent could misbehave, then you're fine. If you're not interested in absolute numbers (that may wary due to particular implementation of methodology), but only in trends and ratios, you should be fine. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] A seismic shift in browser usage for me ....
how big a pinch of salt should one add just to be (somewhat) on the safe side? No answer to this one. I have actually no idea how precisely we're able (and will be able) to measure that at all. That wasn't my point. I only wanted to share that the resource linked isn't actually taking into account that it's valid only for a small set of measuring solutions ans methods. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] WCAG 1.0 AAA Rating
I also think low contrast is bad for general users and not just disabled or low vision users... good contrast can be viewed as a usability feature :) Or not ;) I personally dislike high contrast as it strains my eyes more than an overall combination with not that sharp/aggressive/tense difference. On the other hand I can live with switching *to* lo contrast variation or modify it in my UA (see below). In summary, the idea is provide the most important accessibility functions (like stylesheet-switcher) at the top of the document. Why? (I'm playing devil's advocate now for a while...) Is it really the most important feature in the design to accomplish the most important goals of most users? Thus it should be one of the most important functions/tools/goals of the web site? I don't think so. I think the ball is on the side of browser vendors. This should be UI/UA thing, not a job for the website itself. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] WCAG 1.0 AAA Rating
An still open enhancement request was filed to include this ... We all know how it's like with the browsers today :/ Zoom functions are designed primarily as user defense mechanisms Sorry Felix, but this is really nonsense. It is made for what it should do - making the whole site more legible/bigger if you need to, with keeping all the proportions correct when scaling all elements. Nowadays there are still many raster elements on the pages that can't be sized in text dimensions (what is by the way a bit weird if you think about it) and it is *the task of the UA to arrange the output with the correct ratios, be it higher DPI, small screen, enlarged page* etc. ... Does it make sense? -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] LInks Multi-language
too tired to hunt for it... ... but have slaves to that for me ;) Servez-vous: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/flags.html http://www.useit.com/alertbox/flagproblem.html http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200604/indicating_language_choice_flags_text_both_neither/ http://www.w3.org/TR/i18n-html-tech-lang/#ri20040808.173208643 http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200606/indicating_language_choice_on_the_web/ -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Layout not displaying correctly in web based email clients
It displays fine in Outlook but not in Hotmail. Have a look at linked resources from http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=StyleInEmail, particularly http://www.campaignmonitor.com/blog/archives/2006/04/tip_using_css_t.html and http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/design/html-emails -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] using html elements on javascript
It seems that you can't nest strong and span under a script. Not nest - you can't use the closing tag in a string unescaped. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] UPDATE TO: Using PHP to hide email, script made, testing needed
So, the redeeming feature of your script might be your use of the #064; :) Well, I'm turning e-mail addresses to things like this: a href=mai#108;#116;#111;#58;#102;#111;#111;#64;#101;#120;#97;#109;#112;#108;#101;#46;#99;#111;#109;foo#160;(at)#160;exam#173;ple.com/a and sometimes even mixing up with not only #xxx entities but some %xx URI-encoded chars, and the goddamn bots still get some of these :/ Anti-spam filter on the MX machine is a must. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Pixel Perfect
entire site viewable as pdf But what does that mean exactly? Bruce, making PDF files from a site is done by printing it to a PDF writer, so it is dependent on the print style sheet most of the times. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] selling web standards
Outstanding site! That's going to be very helpful to me. MACCAWS is actually not maintained any longer, lack of time I'd say, but I hope we'll continue with the spreading of this message worldwide in WaSP ILG as we have Stef Troeth (of the MACCAWS team) on board. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] selling web standards
BTW on the topic of standards thru ASP.NET, this might be helpful as well: http://msdn.microsoft.com/asp.net/reference/design/default.aspx?pull=/library/en-us/dnaspp/html/aspnetusstan.asp http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200511/no_xhtml_10_strict_in_aspnet_20/ http://aspnetresources.com/blog/aspnet_for_designers.aspx http://aspnetresources.com/blog/aspnet_and_xhtml.aspx http://www.aspnetresources.com/blog/xhtml10_transitional_in_aspnet20.aspx http://www.aspnetresources.com/articles/HttpFilters.aspx http://www.riderdesign.com/products/ http://aspnet.4guysfromrolla.com/articles/050504-1.aspx -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Through PDA
I believe Opera ignores the handheld stylesheet anyway. Nope. Opera, NetFront and S60Browser are almost the only ones treating screen/handheld stylesheets right. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Pixel Perfect
entire site viewable as pdf But what does that mean exactly? Bruce, making PDF files from a site is done by printing it to a PDF writer, so it is dependent on the print style sheet most of the times. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Not trying to be controversial, but...
What happened when they were creating CSS? No idea ;) For me it seems nobody really considered layout tools at that time, or rather there was no chance to get them in the interoperable implementations among the browsers. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Image Verification
What do vision impaired people do when they come across that? Is there a way to make that accessible to blind people without making it accessible to the dreaded robots? Voice recording of the text. And how common are those robots anyway? No idea. However there are many ways of reading the characters via various OCR methods (that are proven to have better results than humans) or remote mechanical turk when the images are retyped by another person on another web for various reason so it's not that safe anyways. And, personally, I hate CAPTCHAs. Better possibilities out there: http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/NOTE-turingtest-20051123/ -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Accessibility: WCAG 2 1.41 and Colour Contrast Analyser
Is the ratio of 1:5 comparable with the difference of 500 from the colour contrast analyser? Is there some sort of relationship between the two? I'm not sure about the particular algorithms (so don't blame me for misinterpretation, please), but the new one reflects better the subjective way human eye tends to analyze colors. Some parts of the spectrum are perceived more sensitively than the others, which leads in additional differences our eyes present. Does that result in that you should not use those colours together? Well, there are even combinations that are fine in the matter of contrast, but you still should not use them together as they may almost kill the visitor anyways, so... ;) I think color perception is pretty subjective (feeling) thing, the math around it is nice as a guide, but without a subjective decision it doesn't have to work - who'd read a newspaper typed in red on yellow or yellow on purple? ;) -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Automated screenshot service newbie introduction
Howdy, sitevista.com, browsershots.org, browsercam.com, browserpool.de, snugtech.com... Servez-vous ;) -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Making Ajax Work with Screen Readers
Wow, this is really a comprehensive resource, thanks for your time putting it together. I wrote my opinion on this topic just today under Garrett's article: http://www.garrettdimon.com/archives/front-end-architecture-ajax-dom-scripting so I won't bug you pasting it here again, I'm no expert at that field, I just felt it this unacquainted way from the beginning :| -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] A case for standrardsin swedish education
Great, thanks Lars! I'm sure we're going to be in a similar situation in WaSP ILG in general, so having this is a good thing. I suppose you and Roger as Svensk chargés d'affaires could let this document circulate in the group. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Validation Errors - Follow up.
Usualy the root cause is from the body... background or color set but not the other. Too many designers rely on the defaults that might not always be present. Sure, but this make sense only in the topmost context; when certain element are aligned as they should be deeper in the structure/page there's no need to try to persuade authors they should state it for this explicitly as well as it might not be desirable. But maybe some of those who see validator-warnings as a /problem/ think it is necessary to kill all warnings ? :-) Well, the thing is they prepare bloated code with unexpected behavior sometimes. Would be nice if those tools worked... Indeed. However I described in my spot http://www.janbrasna.com/clanky/ukecany-css-validator/ (Czech only, sorry... Someone should make me to write in English) that it's definitely not easy for the validator to pick up the problematic points as it doesn't know the cascade, how the final rendering is aligned and how it was actually intended. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] onKeyPress or not onKeyPress
early builds of Safari on Jaguar might have exhibited a failure to execute onclick with the keyboard. I remember something similar, be it an old Safari or some wacky Netscape, don't really know. I'd say it's not an active issue anymore. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Accessible Antispam technique for form
http://www.w3.org/TR/turingtest/#solutions -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Web pages needed for testing
For Aussie sites with issues, check John's slides and podcast from WE05: http://we05.com/program.cfm#f1145 -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] WE06 - Any news yet?
Any news on WE06 yet? I hope everyone saw this: http://www.webdirections.org/2006/04/11/there-will-be-a-web-design-conference-in-sydney-this-year/ -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Safari Javascript prob?
!-- The doc is XHTML Transitional. You shouldn't use HTML comments in XHTML since the whole block may get ignored. BTW the javascript: URL scheme is not a good idea either. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] get naked tomorrow with your css
Are you turning off CSS at Yahoo! web sites, guys? :D -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Definition List for Products/Items with Image
Last year I've done this http://www.bonsoir.cz/obchod/chateau-laroche, it should fit your needs. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
