Re: [WSG] Son of Suckerfish - right to left
Andrew Cunningham wrote: Dear Ido If you want to mark up a whole page as RTL, you should put the dir attibute on the HTML element and not on the BODY element. The W3C'S Internationalization Best Practices recommends adding dir=rtl to the html tag any time the overall document direction is right-to-left. Thank you Andrew, I'm so glad i joined this list - so much knowledge : -) Ido *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Son of Suckerfish - right to left
Dear Ido If you want to mark up a whole page as RTL, you should put the dir attibute on the HTML element and not on the BODY element. The W3C'S Internationalization Best Practices recommends adding dir=rtl to the html tag any time the overall document direction is right-to-left. Internet Explorer has been developed so that appltying the dir attribute to the HTMl or BODY elements has different effects on rendering and UI mirroring. Accoring to microsoft documentation: For html dir=rtl the following behavior can be expected: * The OLE/COM ambient property of the document is set to AMBIENT_RIGHTTOLEFT. • The document direction can be toggled through the document object model (DOM) (document.direction=ltr/rtl). • An HTML Dialog will get the correct extended windows styles set so it displays as a RTL dialog on a Bidi enabled system. • If the document has vertical scrollbars, they will be on the left side if dir=rtl. If the dir=rtl attribute is placed on the BODY instead of the HTML element: • The OLE/COM ambient property for the document will not reflect the direction on the BODY. • The ability to toggle the document's direction will be lost, because the body's direction is explicitly set. • Dialog window frames and captions will not reflect the direction of the BODY. • Vertical scrollbars will be reflect the direction assigned to the body, not the document. I suspect that putting the dir tagg on the BODY element will have implications for UI mirroring in a rnage of contexts. Andrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** begin:vcard fn:Andrew Cunningham n:Cunningham;Andrew org:State Library of Victoria;Vicnet adr:;;328 Swanston Street;Melbourne;VIC;3000;Australia email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Research and Development Coordinator tel;work:+61-3-8664-7430 tel;fax:+61-3-9639-2175 tel;cell:0421-450-816 note;quoted-printable:Current projects:=0D=0A= =0D=0A= Open Road=E2=80=94http://www.openroad.net.au/=0D=0A= =0D=0A= MyLanguage=E2=80=94http://www.mylanguage.gov.au/=0D=0A= =0D=0A= WoVG Multilingual portal research project=E2=80=94http://www.mylanguage.v= ic.gov.au/ x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://home.vicnet.net.au/~andrewc/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [WSG] Son of Suckerfish - right to left
Ido, The problem lies in the fact that Safari, Opera, and MSIE render right-to-left documents incompletely -- as only applying to text. I encountered a similar problem with one of my sites. The easiest solution, albeit a messy one, is to modify your JavaScript such that it positions the sublists absolutely, and to get the location where those sublists should be positioned from the top, left, width, and height attributes of the block elements surrounding the main menu links. In short, use a menu library that positions sublists absolutely, not suckerfish, or modify suckerfish. (If you position absolutely, remember to try your site out in at least MSIE, Firefox, Safari, and Opera.) Perhaps someone else on this list knows more about those browsers' specific rendering engines...? בהצלחה, Ido Rosen On Sep 19, 2006, at 5:37 PM, Ido dekkers wrote: Hello this is my first post to the list and i hope you can help. i want to use the Son of Suckerfish menu on the sites i make. when using it in regular sites (ltr) i have no problems. but when i try to put dir=rtl in the body element - i design sites in Hebrew also - the mess starts. if you can look at this link : http://test3.dekkers.net/sos.htm, i've commented the changes i made in the html and css codes, one on each. i added dir=rtl in the body, and changed the float from left to right (in #nav li). firefox and netscape - just do what i say and all works well, IE - well it's a mess and opera is not much better. any help would be appriciated. thank you Ido *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Son of Suckerfish - right to left
sorry, never happen again.IdoOn 9/20/06, Jough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since this is your first post I will let it slide, but please do not cross-post. Most of us on the WGS are also on CSS-D and vice versa. Hello this is my first post to the list and i hope you can help. ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED]*** ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
