Re: [WSG] Last letter of a line appearing on next row (IE6...)

2006-12-14 Thread Nick Fitzsimons

On 13 Dec 2006, at 22:18:42, Rob O'Rourke wrote:

I need to get control of what hasLayout and what doesn't before I  
can work out what's really going on.




Use Microsoft's IE Developer Toolbar's DOM Inspector:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx? 
familyid=e59c3964-672d-4511-bb3e-2d5e1db91038displaylang=en


It will allow you to walk through the DOM tree for your page;  
hasLayout will show up in the Styles pane for all elements having  
that most peculiar property.


HTH,

Nick.
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http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/





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Re: [WSG] Last letter of a line appearing on next row (IE6...)

2006-12-14 Thread Rob O'Rourke

Nick Fitzsimons wrote:

On 13 Dec 2006, at 22:18:42, Rob O'Rourke wrote:

I need to get control of what hasLayout and what doesn't before I can 
work out what's really going on.




Use Microsoft's IE Developer Toolbar's DOM Inspector:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=e59c3964-672d-4511-bb3e-2d5e1db91038displaylang=en 



It will allow you to walk through the DOM tree for your page; 
hasLayout will show up in the Styles pane for all elements having 
that most peculiar property.


HTH,

Nick.
--Nick Fitzsimons
http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/



I like it, thanks!
I need to turn google toolbar off to use it though, tried outlining 
inputs and it crashed my PC. It doesn't surprise me in the least 
though... I'm getting a mac for christmas =]


Cheers Nick

Rob O



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Re: [WSG] Last letter of a line appearing on next row (IE6...)

2006-12-14 Thread Nick Fitzsimons

On 14 Dec 2006, at 17:46:58, Rob O'Rourke wrote:


Nick Fitzsimons wrote:

On 13 Dec 2006, at 22:18:42, Rob O'Rourke wrote:

I need to get control of what hasLayout and what doesn't before I  
can work out what's really going on.




Use Microsoft's IE Developer Toolbar's DOM Inspector:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx? 
familyid=e59c3964-672d-4511-bb3e-2d5e1db91038displaylang=en


It will allow you to walk through the DOM tree for your page;  
hasLayout will show up in the Styles pane for all elements  
having that most peculiar property.



I like it, thanks!


No problem :-)

I need to turn google toolbar off to use it though, tried outlining  
inputs and it crashed my PC. It doesn't surprise me in the least  
though...


Nor me :-( Have you checked you have the latest version of Google  
Toolbar? I know the two have had problems running together in the  
past, but thought there'd been a fix. (Still, it's only a Beta.)



I'm getting a mac for christmas =]


A Mac is for life, not just for Christmas :-)

Cheers,

Nick.
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Nick Fitzsimons
http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/





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Re: [WSG] Last letter of a line appearing on next row (IE6...)

2006-12-13 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun

Rob O'Rourke wrote:
I had the last letter of some floated form elements appearing on the 
next line. I've managed to get rid of the letter itself with

position: relative; on the form input but there's still a 'phantom
line' in IE adding a load of 'padding' to the bottom of the label or
fieldset.



http://www.sanchothefat.com/dev/phantom-line.html


Have you tried adding...
* html option {display: none;}
...?
That addition improves things in my IE6 (on win2K).

regards
Georg
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http://www.gunlaug.no


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Re: [WSG] Last letter of a line appearing on next row (IE6...)

2006-12-13 Thread Rob O'Rourke

� wrote:

Rob O'Rourke wrote:
I had the last letter of some floated form elements appearing on the 
next line. I've managed to get rid of the letter itself with

position: relative; on the form input but there's still a 'phantom
line' in IE adding a load of 'padding' to the bottom of the label or
fieldset.



http://www.sanchothefat.com/dev/phantom-line.html


Have you tried adding...
* html option {display: none;}
...?
That addition improves things in my IE6 (on win2K).

regards
Georg


Nope, I would never have considered that option! (no pun intended) very 
bizarre behaviour... but then again it's IE6. Thanks a million Georg.


I found the PIE page i was looking for [1], it was the duplicate 
characters bug however none of the triggers mentioned on that page were 
present... as far as i could work out anyway. At least the fix mentioned 
on the page works, along with overflow: hidden;


* html option { display: none; }
* html label.del-post-code { margin-right: -3px; overflow: hidden; }
* html label.business-type { margin-right: -3px; overflow: hidden; }

This seems to have done the trick but I still can't work out why the 
initial page rendering is off sometimes. At least it doesn't appear out 
of line in the layout its currently starring in so that's something.


Thanks again Georg,
Rob O

[1] http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/dup-characters.html


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Re: [WSG] Last letter of a line appearing on next row (IE6...)

2006-12-13 Thread Rob O'Rourke

Nick Fitzsimons wrote:

On 13 Dec 2006, at 19:39:17, Rob O'Rourke wrote:
I found the PIE page i was looking for [1], it was the duplicate 
characters bug however none of the triggers mentioned on that page 
were present... as far as i could work out anyway.

[1] http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/dup-characters.html


It's probably your input type=hiddens; they're mentioned as 
triggering the bug in the paragraph beginning Update! July 5, 2004 
about halfway down the page.


Regards,

Nick.
--Nick Fitzsimons
http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/



Hi Nick,

Thats just it, there are no input type=hiddens or any none displayed 
elements in the places it says are the trigger points e.g. between 
floats. I read the whole PIE page but it describes the cure and not the 
symptom in this case. Unless of course you want to generalise and 
describe the symptom as IE6 =P


I need to get control of what hasLayout and what doesn't before I can 
work out what's really going on.


Thanks,
Rob



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