RE: Comments on JSR47

2001-06-12 Thread Ceki Gülcü
gt;To: LOG4J Developers Mailing List >Subject: Re: Comments on JSR47 > >... > >In the past, I have tried to convince Graham Hamilton (the JSR47 lead). Why >do you think JSR47 has a named hierarchy? :-) Do you think I got any credit >for it? :-( > >... > >--

RE: Comments on JSR47

2001-06-12 Thread Jim Moore
ginal Message- From: Ceki Gülcü [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 10:22 AM To: LOG4J Developers Mailing List Subject: Re: Comments on JSR47 ... In the past, I have tried to convince Graham Hamilton (the JSR47 lead). Why do you think JSR47 has a named hierarchy? :-) Do you

Re: Comments on JSR47

2001-06-12 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 14:16 12.06.2001 +0200, Endre Stølsvik wrote: >On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Ceki Gülcü wrote: > >| >| Hello David, >| >| The argument that JSR47 is a standard carries some weight but at the >| end of the day, developers will go with what offers them the most >| functionality with the least pain. Judgin

Re: Comments on JSR47

2001-06-12 Thread Endre Stølsvik
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Ceki Gülcü wrote: | | Hello David, | | The argument that JSR47 is a standard carries some weight but at the | end of the day, developers will go with what offers them the most | functionality with the least pain. Judging from log4j's increasing | popularity, the jury is still

RE: Comments on JSR47

2001-06-12 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Hello David, The argument that JSR47 is a standard carries some weight but at the end of the day, developers will go with what offers them the most functionality with the least pain. Judging from log4j's increasing popularity, the jury is still out on this one. Regards, Ceki At 00:44 12.06.

RE: Comments on JSR47

2001-06-12 Thread David Duddleston
> I've noticed an incredible amount of inertia from people who > don't know a lot > about logging but know they need it. The comments usually go > something like: > > "Why should I use when there is a > logging package in JDK1.4". > > This endorses a "poor" API way beyond what it deser

Re: Comments on JSR47

2001-06-11 Thread Greg Davis
Ceki Gülcü wrote: > > Geoff, > > My first and foremost criticism on the JSR47 API is the lack of any > provision for pluggability. The LogManger can be set at application > initialization time but not the type (class) of the Logger to be used. My understanding here is that the lead expert fo

Comments on JSR47

2001-06-01 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Geoff, My first and foremost criticism on the JSR47 API is the lack of any provision for pluggability. The LogManger can be set at application initialization time but not the type (class) of the Logger to be used. Logger should become an interface allowing a user-chosen implementation to be