Upcoming Gump failure message

2005-02-26 Thread Curt Arnold
There will likely be a forthcoming message indicating that logging-log4j failed which will have failed 200+ projects due to dependency. This was due to an unfortunate removal of jakarta-oro as a dependency for log4j. While I was adding Gump projects for the optional jars needed for Chainsaw,

Re: Design and evoluton of log4j (Was: AppenderSkeleton.isActive, etc)

2005-02-26 Thread Curt Arnold
On Feb 26, 2005, at 5:25 PM, Jacob Kjome wrote: Curt, I understand your wanting to keep compatibility. I tend to agree that if we can do it at the same time as adding new features, then we should strive for that. We broke compatibility with RepositorySelector's, but because there are few (i

Re: Design and evoluton of log4j (Was: AppenderSkeleton.isActive, etc)

2005-02-26 Thread Mark Womack
OK, every take a deep breath and count to ten. Please keep one thing in mind. Everyone is acting in what they feel are the best interests of the project. Ceki is making changes he thinks are important. Curt is registering concern and reverting changes to keep things in sync. Everyone is vo

Re: Design and evoluton of log4j (Was: AppenderSkeleton.isActive, etc)

2005-02-26 Thread Jacob Kjome
Ok, guys, don't you think all this has gotten a bit out of hand? Ceki, apparently you committed code that cause incompatibilities with those implementing appenders against Log4j-1.2. There was no discussion of this beforehand and no one, but maybe Curt (because of the phone call), had a clue a

Re: AppenderSkeleton.isActive, etc

2005-02-26 Thread Paul Smith
Ceki, I would have thought making changes to such a core interface with potential backward compatability issues may have started with a discussion. We don't know what the usefulness of the changes are because you haven't told us. It's highly likely that once you've told us your plan, we will

cvs commit: logging-log4j build.xml ugli.xml

2005-02-26 Thread carnold
carnold 2005/02/26 12:51:49 Modified:.build.xml ugli.xml Log: Parameterized names of optional jars, fixed jar metadata Revision ChangesPath 1.151 +15 -8 logging-log4j/build.xml Index: build.xml ===

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Project logging-log4j-chainsaw (in module logging-chainsaw) failed

2005-02-26 Thread Curt Arnold
On Feb 26, 2005, at 1:21 AM, Scott Deboy wrote: log4j-core jar doesn't have the socket classes. the log4j-optional jar needs added to the classpath. also need log4j-oro and log4j-xml in the classpath as well. Thanks for the help, Curt Currently, the "logging-log4j" project only calls the "log4j.

Re: Design and evoluton of log4j (Was: AppenderSkeleton.isActive, etc)

2005-02-26 Thread Curt Arnold
On Feb 26, 2005, at 11:51 AM, Ceki Gülcü wrote: Mark, Over the years, I have always strived to listen to all the opinions voiced. I also try to accommodate opinions diverging from mine and when it boils down to a matter of taste, I tend to privilege the opinions of others over my own. Certainly,

Re: AppenderSkeleton.isActive, etc

2005-02-26 Thread Curt Arnold
People, I can't get work done without having it reverted a few days later. I don't recall other incidences. In this case, a set of changes was brought to our attention as causing Hivemind project to fail and I think it justified reverting the changes until we analyzed the situation. I did give

Re: AppenderSkeleton.isActive, etc

2005-02-26 Thread Curt Arnold
On Feb 26, 2005, at 10:00 AM, Ceki Gülcü wrote: Curt, today there is not a single appender which implements the Appender interface without extending the AppenderSkeleton class. All we know for sure is the code in the Gump universe. The Appender interface is complex enough that it would drive al

Re: Design and evoluton of log4j (Was: AppenderSkeleton.isActive, etc)

2005-02-26 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Mark, Over the years, I have always strived to listen to all the opinions voiced. I also try to accommodate opinions diverging from mine and when it boils down to a matter of taste, I tend to privilege the opinions of others over my own. Certainly, there are examples that go both ways. From a m

Design and evoluton of log4j (Was: AppenderSkeleton.isActive, etc)

2005-02-26 Thread Mark Masterson
Hello Ceki, Well, I'm not a committer, so experience tells me you'll completely ignore my input and pretend as if it had never been voiced. Nevertheless, as one of those poor schmucks who maintains an Appender outside of the log4j base, I do have an opinion about this debate, and it's certainly n

Re: AppenderSkeleton.isActive, etc

2005-02-26 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 12:01 AM 2/26/2005, Curt Arnold wrote: On Feb 25, 2005, at 3:22 PM, Ceki Gülcü wrote: At 09:48 PM 2/25/2005, Curt Arnold wrote: I can't stress how strongly that I believe these changes are bad and will unnecessarily cause some users of 1.2 to stay with log4j 1.2 or encounter broken behavior du

Re: AppenderSkeleton.isActive, etc

2005-02-26 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 02:19 AM 2/26/2005, Curt Arnold wrote: On Feb 25, 2005, at 6:57 PM, Paul Smith wrote: Appender the interface is the contract for all Appenders, AppenderSkeleton just happens to provide some decent plumbing and support in an effort to make it easy to write a custom appender. Anywhere within lo

[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Project logging-log4j-chainsaw (in module logging-chainsaw) failed

2005-02-26 Thread noreply
To whom it may engage... This is an automated request, but not an unsolicited one. For more information please visit http://gump.apache.org/nagged.html, and/or contact the folk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Project logging-log4j-chainsaw has an issue affecting its community integration. This iss

[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Project logging-log4j-tests (in module logging-log4j) failed

2005-02-26 Thread noreply
To whom it may engage... This is an automated request, but not an unsolicited one. For more information please visit http://gump.apache.org/nagged.html, and/or contact the folk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Project logging-log4j-tests has an issue affecting its community integration. This issue