Re: Perl 6

2001-01-09 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Nathan Torkington ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > We're going to use RFCs for future additions to Perl, we just need to > find some good filters that will prevent them from consuming > everyone's time. how about adding a field on the RFC template such as, ``forum initially discussed in'' - the

Re: Hiring

2001-01-09 Thread David Hodgkinson
Steve Mynott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > David Hodgkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Simon Wistow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > I think > > > > Ta, > > How did he do then? You're a bad boy :-) -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor

Re: Hiring

2001-01-09 Thread Steve Mynott
David Hodgkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Simon Wistow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I think > > Ta, How did he do then? :-> -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] microsoft: where do you want to go today? linux: where do you want to go tomorrow? bsd: are you guys coming

Re: Hiring

2001-01-09 Thread David Hodgkinson
Simon Wistow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think Ta, -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire --

Re: Hiring

2001-01-09 Thread Simon Wistow
David Hodgkinson wrote: > > Anyone got Richard Clamp's mobile no? He's due here now... 07720 298487 I think

Re: Perl 6

2001-01-09 Thread Nathan Torkington
Piers Cawley writes: > > As Piers said, we are blocked on Larry. We're working on some > > interpreter design now, but some language issues really need to be > > nailed down before we know what we're going to be writing. > > Any idea how long we're going to stay blocked? None whatsoever. Many

Re: Hiring

2001-01-09 Thread David Hodgkinson
Anyone got Richard Clamp's mobile no? He's due here now... -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire

Re: Perl 6

2001-01-09 Thread Nathan Torkington
Andy Wardley writes: > It might also draw the all-talk-and-no-trousers crowd away from the > serious perl6 development process. It would give us, er, I mean *them* > somewhere to rant without bothering too many people doing the real work > on crafting Perl 6. Yes, and no. The problem is that it

Re: Perl 6

2001-01-09 Thread Andy Wardley
On Jan 9, 8:24am, Nathan Torkington wrote: > As Piers said, we are blocked on Larry. We're working on some > interpreter design now, but some language issues really need to be > nailed down before we know what we're going to be writing. Are there any plans to keep the RFC process going in the f

Re: Perl commandments

2001-01-09 Thread Leon Brocard
Piers Cawley sent the following bits through the ether: > This time. The discussion has been back and forth on various lists, > usually with benchmarks. Thou shalt optimise for programmer time unless absolutely necessary, when thou shalt Benchmark and quoth both the benchmark and the results. L

Re: Perl 6

2001-01-09 Thread Piers Cawley
Nathan Torkington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > David Cantrell writes: > > From what I can tell, there ain't a lot happening. > > As Piers said, we are blocked on Larry. We're working on some > interpreter design now, but some language issues really need to be > nailed down before we know what

Re: Perl commandments

2001-01-09 Thread Piers Cawley
Leon Brocard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Greg McCarroll sent the following bits through the ether: > > > in my original rule it was all to do with good programming style, not > > eeking out every bit of performance, my reply was actually that i > > thought dave choose a very grey area in terms

Re: Perl 6

2001-01-09 Thread Nathan Torkington
David Cantrell writes: > From what I can tell, there ain't a lot happening. As Piers said, we are blocked on Larry. We're working on some interpreter design now, but some language issues really need to be nailed down before we know what we're going to be writing. Nat

RE: Much Coolness XML Wise.

2001-01-09 Thread Jonathan Peterson
> > How does the output compare to XML::Simple::XMLout() ? > I found XML::Simple::XMLout() to be deeply yucky, as it kind of randomly chooses to go for sub elements or attributes based on phases of the moon*. Also, it will happily output invalid XML if you have invalid data in your datastructure.

Re: Perl commandments

2001-01-09 Thread Leon Brocard
Greg McCarroll sent the following bits through the ether: > in my original rule it was all to do with good programming style, not > eeking out every bit of performance, my reply was actually that i > thought dave choose a very grey area in terms of programming style Indeed. And someone mentioned

Re: Perl commandments

2001-01-09 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Greg McCarroll sent the following bits through the ether: > > > nope daves was a bad example > > Benchmark.pm - hard facts are better than guesses (hmm, I could do a > talk on this...) > in my original rule it was all to do with good programming styl

Re: Perl commandments

2001-01-09 Thread Leon Brocard
Greg McCarroll sent the following bits through the ether: > nope daves was a bad example Benchmark.pm - hard facts are better than guesses (hmm, I could do a talk on this...) Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://

Re: Perl commandments

2001-01-09 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Piers Cawley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > * Piers Cawley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 11:25:18AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > > > > 6.) regular expressions

Re: Perl commandments

2001-01-09 Thread Piers Cawley
Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Piers Cawley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 11:25:18AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > > > 6.) regular expressions are not the only way to code, length and > > > >

Re: Perl 6

2001-01-09 Thread Leon Brocard
Greg McCarroll sent the following bits through the ether: > has anyone been keeping up with the Perl 6 mailing lists and the Perl 6 > project in general? i'd like to have a look into some of the proposals > and i've sort of lost touch with it all. The RFC's are available at http://dev.perl.org/

Re: Perl commandments

2001-01-09 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Piers Cawley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 11:25:18AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > > 6.) regular expressions are not the only way to code, length and > > > substr are in the language for a reason > > >

Re: Perl commandments

2001-01-09 Thread Piers Cawley
David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 11:25:18AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > 6.) regular expressions are not the only way to code, length and > > substr are in the language for a reason > > Also index. These two snippets are equivalent: >

Re: Perl 6

2001-01-09 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 11:57:46AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: > has anyone been keeping up with the Perl 6 mailing lists and the Perl 6 > project in general? i'd like to have a look into some of the proposals > and i've sort of lost touch with it all. >From what I can tell, there ain't a lot h

Re: Much Coolness XML Wise.

2001-01-09 Thread Mike Wyer
On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Dean S Wilson wrote: >I've been involved in the debates on this list about Perl and Java and >I'd thought I'd say something nice for once. > >I've just spent three hours playing with XML::Generator and md5 >checksums, I was having problems building hash's of hash's with the >m

Re: Perl commandments

2001-01-09 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 11:25:18AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: > * Piers Cawley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > Thou shalt ensure that everything knows as little as possible about > >anything else. (There's *got* to be a way to condense that...) Thou shalt encapsulate? > ok heres my 10 ru

Re: Perl 6

2001-01-09 Thread Piers Cawley
Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > has anyone been keeping up with the Perl 6 mailing lists and the Perl 6 > project in general? i'd like to have a look into some of the proposals > and i've sort of lost touch with it all. It's kind of blocked on Larry at the moment. There's some stuff

Perl 6

2001-01-09 Thread Greg McCarroll
has anyone been keeping up with the Perl 6 mailing lists and the Perl 6 project in general? i'd like to have a look into some of the proposals and i've sort of lost touch with it all. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net

Re: Perl commandments

2001-01-09 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Piers Cawley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > David Hodgkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Was it here that we discussed the Perl commandments? You remember, > > things like "thou shalt use strict and -w" and so on... > > I don't think we were. But: > > Thou shalt not write the same thing t

Re: Perl commandments

2001-01-09 Thread Piers Cawley
David Hodgkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Was it here that we discussed the Perl commandments? You remember, > things like "thou shalt use strict and -w" and so on... I don't think we were. But: Thou shalt not write the same thing twice. Thou shalt not use map in a void context. Thou shalt

Perl commandments

2001-01-09 Thread David Hodgkinson
Was it here that we discussed the Perl commandments? You remember, things like "thou shalt use strict and -w" and so on... -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MyS

Re: Hiring

2001-01-09 Thread David Hodgkinson
David Hodgkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Picture painted? Man, I REALLY need to check Reply-To's...! -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hire

Re: Hiring

2001-01-09 Thread David Hodgkinson
Piers Cawley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > David Hodgkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Given another spate of layoffs last week, I'd just like to point out > > that Reading Room are hiring good Perl, Linux/Solaris/Anything, > > MySQL/Oracle/DBS/Anything hackers. > > Where is Reading Roo

Re: Much Coolness XML Wise.

2001-01-09 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > There are a few crypto modules on CPAN, although they all use C for the > > hard work. Whether they're available in PPMs for Activestate or not, > > I don't know. > > I'm doing a pure WML script implementation of MD5 at the moment that'd > be dead

Re: Much Coolness XML Wise.

2001-01-09 Thread Simon Wistow
> There are a few crypto modules on CPAN, although they all use C for the > hard work. Whether they're available in PPMs for Activestate or not, > I don't know. I'm doing a pure WML script implementation of MD5 at the moment that'd be dead easy to port to Perl. Especially since Perl has things

Re: Hiring

2001-01-09 Thread Piers Cawley
David Hodgkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Given another spate of layoffs last week, I'd just like to point out > that Reading Room are hiring good Perl, Linux/Solaris/Anything, > MySQL/Oracle/DBS/Anything hackers. Where is Reading Room? And are you talking permies or contractors. And if on