Re: Perl Training Courses
>From listening to the conversation about debugging tools, it seems to me that the perspective of the list might be skewed. Print statements are great when you're debugging your own code or even someone else's code on small projects... But what about those times where you are handed a folder full of files and told either "we need this compiled!" or "find the memory leak!". Both of these happen to me quite regularly. (And I do realize that this is in a C/C++ context, but it could apply to Perl too). In these situations, an integrated visual debugger is far superior to print statements. Sure, you could create log files to reflect a sort of call stack, but all too often you will have to add the code yourself rather than having the original programmer use debug statements (or such). The same goes for listing variables. Want to know the value of every data member in a class? I'd prefer clicking the little plus sign and haveing the node expand rather than adding a print statement for each member (or set up a loop). I think an excellent example of a solid, stable, and friendly debugger is Metrowerk's Codewarrior's debugger. Call stack, view memory, watches, breakpoints, and the ability to alter which lines of code to run... I can state from experience that products developed using the Codewarrior Suite were brought to market faster and more stable than products developed using Borland TurboDebugger or command line tools. In conclusion, visual integrated debuggers are the best way to quickly acquire knowledge of a poorly known program. They give the user faster access to data and more debugging control. So, could someone offer more info on the Perl Courses? With a few basic formalities I could probably get my employer to shell out for it. (ie, don't make it sound like we'll be discussing Perl over pints). Just my two cents (which is about 1.4 pence), Hamlet D'Arcy >Brian was right a in '78 and still is. As yet there is no replacement >for careful thought .. I doubt there ever will be. > >around 70% of the time print is all you need. and 100% of the time it is >perfectly possible with nothing else. But debugging tools can be very >very good .. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: Perl Training Courses
Mark's ideas are excellent and I would be highly interested in a course like this. Also to add to the list: security concerns for cgi scripts. And how about: a decent Perl debugger (that also happens to be free). I've yet to get a grasp on either. What exactly is Iterative? What are we looking at in price schemes? >If you can get three or four people interested in >then Iterative >would be only too happy to help you out. >This is what I think they would need to learn: > a) Get hit over the head a bit with my, local, strict, good programming > practices. Maybe a quick refresher on how arrays, hashes and suchlike > really work. (In terms of passing between subroutines and stuff, how > doing this 'casts' one into the other, the difference between array [snip] > >Later. > >Mark. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: Kevin Smith Film Fest - Jason Lee
>what else did Jason Lee appear in... Since we're talking about Jason Lee... He was in another Spike Jonez feature which was untitled. Airwalk (J. Lee's shoe sponsor) produced a video to promote Airwalk which was again filmed by Spike. This one came out in '95. It was only distributed to Airwalk team riders, Airwalk Retail Stores, and special industry people. It was about 13 minutes long and featured J. Lee hitting tennis balls over a net, alone. J. Lee wore a smart tennis outfit of a white shirt and much to short shorts (especially for those days). J. Lee's big acting break reportedly came through his then girlfriend. If you've seen Dazed and Confused, he dated the red-headed girl who drove around with the two not-so-cool guys looking for the party out in the woods. She reportedly introduced him to the right people. The relationship seems to be fact, but the acting break might be a rumour. And yes, Jason Lee was my idol for about 4 years (until it became apparent that he had quit skating in order to act). And yes, those in the know call him simply, "J. Lee". -H. D'Arcy _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
RE: Kevin Smith Film Fest - Jason Lee
>While we're off-topic...Jason Lee (Mallrats and Chasing Amy) a severely >under-rated actor ... what else has he been in? Jason Lee had the final segment in The Blind Video. For those who don't know, The Blind Video was released in '91 and changed professional skateboarding and videography. It was directed by Spike Jones (the same who directed Being John Malkovitch). The video was so influential that when Jason Lee appeared skateboarding without socks on, large groups of teenagers (myself included) decided to abondon socks for the next few months. I'd bring the video over for the film fest, but, alas, it resides in the United States with 90% of my other belongings (my mind included). -Hamlet D'Arcy _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: Kevin Smith Film Fest
When Mallrats was released I was at University in the US. A week before the release the local paper ran a contest to win tickets to an advance screening. You had to use the work snootchie-bootckies in a sentence, best sentence winning. Long story short... I won advance tickets, a mallrats CD, Mallrats baseball hat, mallrats stickers, and... A FULL SET OF MALLRATS TRADING CARDS! (which I still have). "I thought maybe the Lo Mein had been poisoned, but I soon realized it was just my snootchie bootchies acting up again." -Hamlet _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
New London PM Shirt Designs
Here is the new London PM T-shirt design that some of you asked about at the last meeting. http://www.geocities.com/hamlet_darcy2/lpm_shirt.jpg Let me know what you think. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: Heretics' meeting
Could you post a bit more about the Heretic's meeting? Perhaps some links. I've never heard of the group. Thanks, _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
geek football
As an American in the audience of Quantum::Superpositions last night I have one question. What in the world is a 'geek football pool'? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
