Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-24 Thread Piers Cawley

Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 10:15:27AM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
  On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 10:06:07AM +, Paul Mison wrote:
   On 22/02/2001 at 16:24 +, Dave Cross wrote:
   IIRC we also investigated the possibility of registering pm.org.uk,
   but Nominet have a silly rule that prevents anyone from having third
   level domains with only two characters :(
   But organisations as diverse as the British Library, Parliament, the
   police and the NHS all get second level domains in the UK heirarchy.
   Grr. Argh. (The British Library can be found at http://bl.uk/ which is
   probably the shortest possible UK web server address.)
  
  That's for legacy reasons, IIRC.
 
 There's still a lot of suckage there.  Do our beloved[1] leaders really
 need:
 
 gov.uk
 govt.uk
 parliament.uk
 
 ?

There is a distinction to be drawn (which is kind of important,
especially if you're a member of the opposition) between parliament.uk
and gov.uk. Dunno what govt.uk is doing there though.

-- 
Piers




Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-23 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Richard Clamp wrote:

 On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 05:07:31PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
  So, no http://london.pm/ right now :-(
 
  But maybe in the future![1]

 Deja-Vu.  We (being other people on the list, and not actually me)
 tried this about 2 years ago, with almost exactly the same results.
 Back then they were going to do it 'in the future' or 'never' too.


I still have a bunch of e-mails from the guy who runs the islands ISP ...
I actually think that it was worse than that - people had been using the
.pm TLD and then AFNIC got a little eggy about it and stopped them.  Mind
this kind of behaviour is a feature of all aspects of France's
administration of its overseas territories not just internet domain
registration.

/J\
-- 
Jonathan Stowe   |
http://www.gellyfish.com |   I'm with Grep on this one
http://www.tackleway.co.uk   |




Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-23 Thread Paul Mison

On 22/02/2001 at 16:24 +, Dave Cross wrote:

IIRC we also investigated the possibility of registering pm.org.uk,
but Nominet have a silly rule that prevents anyone from having third
level domains with only two characters :(

But organisations as diverse as the British Library, Parliament, the
police and the NHS all get second level domains in the UK heirarchy.
Grr. Argh. (The British Library can be found at http://bl.uk/ which is
probably the shortest possible UK web server address.)

Full list, courtesy Robin and IRC: perform dig @ns1.nic.uk uk axfr on
your Unix box of choice.

Silly registrars. Silly rules.

Some registrars are sillier than others.

--
:: paul
:: join us in creating excellence





Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-23 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Paul Makepeace ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 From: "Leon Brocard" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On a... related... topic: http://paris.mongueurs.net/
 
 "Il y a davantage que l'one-way pour le faire"
 
 Has anyone yet called French a glue language for English? If anyone does,
 take a video camera and post it. You'd need a PhD in chemistry or work for
 Pixar to get fireworks like that :-)

i'm not sure if its just a glue language, i think there is some sort
pig latin thing going on as well ;-)



-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-23 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On 22/02/2001 at 16:24 +, Dave Cross wrote:
 
 IIRC we also investigated the possibility of registering pm.org.uk,
 but Nominet have a silly rule that prevents anyone from having third
 level domains with only two characters :(
 
 But organisations as diverse as the British Library...

Perl users apparently.


-- 
Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
  Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire
  -



Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-23 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 10:15:27AM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
 On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 10:06:07AM +, Paul Mison wrote:
  On 22/02/2001 at 16:24 +, Dave Cross wrote:
  IIRC we also investigated the possibility of registering pm.org.uk,
  but Nominet have a silly rule that prevents anyone from having third
  level domains with only two characters :(
  But organisations as diverse as the British Library, Parliament, the
  police and the NHS all get second level domains in the UK heirarchy.
  Grr. Argh. (The British Library can be found at http://bl.uk/ which is
  probably the shortest possible UK web server address.)
 
 That's for legacy reasons, IIRC.

There's still a lot of suckage there.  Do our beloved[1] leaders really
need:

gov.uk
govt.uk
parliament.uk

?

And I think that national-engineering-laboratory.uk is taking the piss,
too.

-Dom

[1] *choke*



Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-23 Thread Philip Newton

Jonathan Stowe wrote:
 I still have a bunch of e-mails from the guy who runs the 
 islands ISP ...

SPMcable?

 I actually think that it was worse than that - people had 
 been using the .pm TLD and then AFNIC got a little eggy about
 it and stopped them.

Which probably explains the number of IP addresses in links on
http://www.st-pierre-et-miquelon.com/ . One of the IP addresses resolves
backwards, for example, to spm.pm, but this address doesn't resolve
forwards.

But how could they use .pm without AFNIC's consent? Isn't it they who feed
the root servers which enable people to do a DNS query on the .pm zone?

There was also a site I looked at where someone was complaining about the
deplorable state of Internet connections that appear to prevail there.

Cheers,
Philip
-- 
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.



Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-23 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  On 22/02/2001 at 16:24 +, Dave Cross wrote:
  
  IIRC we also investigated the possibility of registering pm.org.uk,
  but Nominet have a silly rule that prevents anyone from having third
  level domains with only two characters :(
  
  But organisations as diverse as the British Library...
 
 Perl users apparently.
 
as are the people behind the OED IIRC

thats a nice little advocacy idea  

a ``word association'' concept where you start out with something like
the british library (perl users), go to OED (perl users) i.e. library - 
dictionary and so on, until we get a long list of people who use perl
but in a neat relationship sequence

thats the sort of silly game we could almost get published on www.perl.com,
so who can go next 

British Library
Oxford English Dictionary




-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-23 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, you wrote:

 Has anyone yet called French a glue language for English? 

ahh ... but what it boils down to is you are indulging in a little
horse play at the expense of our Gallic freinds.  it is amusing to make
thes little remarks on the hoof is it not? .. 

-- 
Robin Szemeti

The box said "requires windows 95 or better"
So I installed Linux!



RE: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-23 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, you wrote:
  From:   Robin Szemeti [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Has anyone yet called French a glue language for English? 
 
  ahh ... but what it boils down to is you are indulging in a little
  horse play at the expense of our Gallic freinds.  it is amusing to
  make thes little remarks on the hoof is it not? .. 
 
 There's a sweet irony in describing English as a global Lingua Franca...
 particularly given the sensitivities of our Gallic brethren - quite galling
 for them I'm sure :-)

hmm .. what .. err .. I was just trying to get to use the words horse,
hoof and boils down just because someone mentioned French
and glue in the same sentence .. if you are trying to construct some sort
of reasoned argument out it .. well ... ok .. I'll give it a go ;))

-- 
Robin Szemeti

The box said "requires windows 95 or better"
So I installed Linux!



Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-22 Thread Richard Clamp

On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 05:07:31PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
 So, no http://london.pm/ right now :-(
 
 But maybe in the future![1]

Deja-Vu.  We (being other people on the list, and not actually me)
tried this about 2 years ago, with almost exactly the same results.
Back then they were going to do it 'in the future' or 'never' too.

Don't start holding your breath just yet.

-- 
Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-22 Thread Dave Cross

At Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:12:23 +, Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 05:07:31PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
  So, no http://london.pm/ right now :-(
  
  But maybe in the future![1]
 
 Deja-Vu.  We (being other people on the list, and not actually me)
 tried this about 2 years ago, with almost exactly the same results.
 Back then they were going to do it 'in the future' or 'never' too.
 
 Don't start holding your breath just yet.

IIRC we also investigated the possibility of registering pm.org.uk,
but Nominet have a silly rule that prevents anyone from having third
level domains with only two characters :(

Silly registrars. Silly rules.

Dave...



Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-22 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 04:12:23PM +, Richard Clamp wrote:
 On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 05:07:31PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
  So, no http://london.pm/ right now :-(
  
  But maybe in the future![1]
 
 Deja-Vu.  We (being other people on the list, and not actually me)
 tried this about 2 years ago, with almost exactly the same results.
 Back then they were going to do it 'in the future' or 'never' too.

At the time, it was French government policy to not let their colonies
use their TLDs and instead force them all to use .fr.  That seems to
have changed in the last few months.

 Don't start holding your breath just yet.

I was causing some trouble over this very recently*.  And with some success!
Whilst AFNIC will continue to run the registry, they will be allowing
registrations 'soon'.  They are currently consulting the people of .pm to
establish the rules the registry will operate under.

* - which involved the islan's ISP, a couple of other .pm businesses and
community groups, and a plan to approach ICANN and have the domain taken
away from AFNIC on the grounds that they were not properly administering
it.

-- 
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Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-22 Thread Leon Brocard

Philip Newton sent the following bits through the ether:

 Someone brought up the possibility of the domain name london.pm.

On a... related... topic: http://paris.mongueurs.net/

Leon
-- 
Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/
yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/

... "Bother," said Pooh as the brakes went out!



Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-22 Thread Philip Newton

Leon Brocard wrote:
 On a... related... topic: http://paris.mongueurs.net/

Wow. I especially like the second paragraph. It seemed like an exercise in
"how many times can we fit the words qw[Paris France Perl] into three
sentences". But the final sentence appears to bear them out :-)

Cheers,
Philip
-- 
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.



Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-22 Thread Philip Newton

Dave Cross wrote:
 IIRC we also investigated the possibility of registering pm.org.uk,
 but Nominet have a silly rule that prevents anyone from having third
 level domains with only two characters :(

You could try pm.org. Oh, wait, you've already got that ;).

Cheers,
Philip
-- 
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.