Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[David H. Adler]

On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 09:02:01AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
> From: Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 
> > Who holds the distance record? dha, presumably?
> 
> Last I heard, we had at least one subscriber currently living in Australia.
> 
> Leon, how about a london.pm world map :)

Hm... I should probably work on a dha.pm map...

Let's see, London, St. Louis, Melbourne...

Hm.  *that's* where all that email comes from!

:-)

dha
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Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[David H. Adler]

On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 11:06:40PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> 
> if dha supplies me with a list of cpan ID's and names for NY i'll
> do a similar page of NY and include the % of each on both pages

I'll have to go through the CPAN and see who of our group has IDs.  Of
course, there are all those non-london, non-ny mongers who are on the
NY.pm list...

dha, wondering if he gets any credit for Semi::Semicolons or DWIM...

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RE: early peek at a bit of fun

[Andy Mendelsohn]

oh yes, and I am still here...just very very quiet

andy

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> From: Paul Makepeace
> Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 10:29 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:      Re: early peek at a bit of fun
> 
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 05:38:02PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
> > Paul Makepeace wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 08:33:11AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
> > > > Who holds the distance record? dha, presumably?
> > > 
> > > Me & Andy M. probably, living on the left coast.
> > 
> > You forgot Damian (as had I).
> 
> I've never been able to keep track of jetsetting rockstars... Wasn't his
> Mayfair penthouse good enough?
> 
> Paul
> 
> -- 
> Put in earplugs
> 
> 

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Paul Makepeace]

On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 05:38:02PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
> Paul Makepeace wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 08:33:11AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
> > > Who holds the distance record? dha, presumably?
> > 
> > Me & Andy M. probably, living on the left coast.
> 
> You forgot Damian (as had I).

I've never been able to keep track of jetsetting rockstars... Wasn't his
Mayfair penthouse good enough?

Paul

-- 
Put in earplugs

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Philip Newton]

Paul Makepeace wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 08:33:11AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
> > Who holds the distance record? dha, presumably?
> 
> Me & Andy M. probably, living on the left coast.

You forgot Damian (as had I).

Cheers,
Philip
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All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Paul Makepeace]

On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 08:33:11AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
> Who holds the distance record? dha, presumably?

Me & Andy M. probably, living on the left coast.

Paul

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Lucy McWilliam]

On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Alex Page wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:11:50PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> > I must have imagined London.pm.
>
> Thank God! It was all a horrible, horrible dream!!!

Yeah, well at least you all didn't dream about that guy with the
cheese...


L.
"Speako."

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Philip Newton]

Rob Partington wrote:
> "I couldn't tell, sorry. Use the map instead."

Same here.

But at least it got it right that penderel aka london.pm.org is in "LONDON,
ENGLAND (country), UK".

Cheers,
Philip
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All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Rob Partington]

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Eh-hem.  Apparently my nearest five groups are Belfast, SouthWales, Glasgow,
> Bathgate and Manchester.

"I couldn't tell, sorry. Use the map instead."

Waah, it hates me!
-- 
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Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Alex Page]

On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:11:50PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:

> I must have imagined London.pm.

Thank God! It was all a horrible, horrible dream!!!

Alex
-- 
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 tubing, that's all you need."
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http://www.livejournal.com/users/diffrentcolours

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[David Cantrell]

On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 11:15:02AM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote:
> Simon Wistow sent the following bits through the ether:
> 
> > There are modules out there for doing IP2LL
> 
> http://www.astray.com/Bath.pm/near.cgi
> even worked in Montreal. Fails for btinternet atm though...

Eh-hem.  Apparently my nearest five groups are Belfast, SouthWales, Glasgow,
Bathgate and Manchester.

I must have imagined London.pm.

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Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[David Cantrell]

On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 10:35:08AM +0100, Paul Mison wrote:
> On 18/06/2001 at 09:02 +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
> 
> >Last I heard, we had at least one subscriber currently living in
> >Australia.
> >
> >Leon, how about a london.pm world map :)
> 
> Combine it with the (sadly mythical) IP2LL and it'd be easy.

Just require that to join london.pm you must have a LOC record in your
DNS.  Ah hell, let's require HINFO as well.

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Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Leon Brocard]

Simon Wistow sent the following bits through the ether:

> There are modules out there for doing IP2LL

http://www.astray.com/Bath.pm/near.cgi
even worked in Montreal. Fails for btinternet atm though...

Leon
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Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Peter Haworth]

On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:58:09 +0100, Peter Haworth wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:39:31 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > If i haven't got your CPAN id included in the list at the
> > bottom please email me off list, i just skipped through
> > the who's who very quickly getting a decent list of people
> > who looked london.pm-ish to test it.
> 
> Please include PMH on that list. Thanks

Damn, damn and thrice, damn! This was, of course, supposed to be off-list.

Incidentally, I sent a request to the modules list over a week ago, and I haven't had 
any response yet, nor is my module in the list. I'm sure it was quicker for the other 
two requests I submitted.


-- 
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"If we do not hang together, we shall surely all hang separately."

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Peter Haworth]

On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:39:31 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> If i haven't got your CPAN id included in the list at the
> bottom please email me off list, i just skipped through
> the who's who very quickly getting a decent list of people
> who looked london.pm-ish to test it.

Please include PMH on that list. Thanks

-- 
Peter Haworth   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Everyone is a genius.
 It's just that some people are too stupid to realize it."

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Simon Wistow]

Paul Mison wrote:
> 
> On 18/06/2001 at 09:02 +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
> 
> >> (I suppose Simon Cozens had him beat while he was in Japan, but was
> >> he part of London.pm then? I think he is now.)
> >
> >Last I heard, we had at least one subscriber currently living in
> >Australia.
> >
> >Leon, how about a london.pm world map :)
> 
> Combine it with the (sadly mythical) IP2LL and it'd be easy.

There are modules out there for doing IP2LL

http://www-unix.mcs.anl.gov/~olson/IPtoLL.html/ and
http://www.caida.org/tools/utilities/netgeo/ 

But it just isn't all guaranteed to be accurate for various reasons.
Getting, say 70% accuracy isn't taht hard, the next 20% is very hard,
the next 10% after that is nigh on impossible.

other links
http://www-pablo.cs.uiuc.edu/Project/VR/ip2ll/faq.htm
http://www.twoshortplanks.com/simon/ip2ll/
http://www-unix.mcs.anl.gov/~laszewsk/java/doc1/api/org.globus.applications.mapper.GeographicalLocator.html


-- 
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 only second toughest

RE: early peek at a bit of fun

[Paul Mison]

On 18/06/2001 at 09:02 +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:

>> (I suppose Simon Cozens had him beat while he was in Japan, but was
>> he part of London.pm then? I think he is now.)
>
>Last I heard, we had at least one subscriber currently living in
>Australia.
>
>Leon, how about a london.pm world map :)

Combine it with the (sadly mythical) IP2LL and it'd be easy.

--
:: paul
:: 'aggressive is a big M - and the misses generally
::  don't survive aeroplane crashes.' dadadodo

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Simon Wistow]

Greg McCarroll wrote:

> If i haven't got your CPAN id included in the list at the
> bottom please email me off list, i just skipped through
> the who's who very quickly getting a decent list of people
> who looked london.pm-ish to test it.

But I have two modules up there at the moment ... File::Binary and
Apache::Session::SharedMem so I should at least 3=

:(

/me pouts

-- 
simon wistowwireless systems coder
 only second toughest

RE: early peek at a bit of fun

[Cross David - dcross]

From: Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 7:33 AM

> Dave Cross wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 11:53:30PM +0200, Paul Johnson 
> > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > I'll have to be an honourary member since I'm in Switzerland
> > > at the moment
> > 
> > That's just down the road in comparison to some of the people that 
> > consider themselves members of london.pm :)
> 
> Who holds the distance record? dha, presumably?
> 
> (I suppose Simon Cozens had him beat while he was in Japan, but was he
part
> of London.pm then? I think he is now.)

Last I heard, we had at least one subscriber currently living in Australia.

Leon, how about a london.pm world map :)

Dave...

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Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Philip Newton]

Greg McCarroll wrote:
> I'll cleanup/optimize/add error checking tommorow. but 
> i thought i'd let you see it tonight for fun and 
> advance warning.

And remove the trailing comma? (Perhaps use 'join' rather than 'map "$_,"'
or whatever?)

> If i haven't got your CPAN id included in the list at the
> bottom please email me off list, i just skipped through
> the who's who very quickly getting a decent list of people
> who looked london.pm-ish to test it.

Cheers,
Philip
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All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
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Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Greg McCarroll]

* Philip Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > I was just playing around and wrote 
> > 
> > http://217.34.97.146/~gem/perl/lpm_cpan_lb.cgi
> 

fixed, stupid Perl didn't know that when i typed } i really
mean't ) and was just being more  stu ... errr. artistic!

thanks for pointing it out 

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Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Philip Newton]

Greg McCarroll wrote:
> I was just playing around and wrote 
> 
>   http://217.34.97.146/~gem/perl/lpm_cpan_lb.cgi

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according to RFC 2?822. Bad Apache.)

Cheers,
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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Philip Newton]

Dave Cross wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 11:53:30PM +0200, Paul Johnson 
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > I'll have to be an honourary member since I'm in Switzerland
> > at the moment
> 
> That's just down the road in comparison to some of the people that 
> consider themselves members of london.pm :)

Who holds the distance record? dha, presumably?

(I suppose Simon Cozens had him beat while he was in Japan, but was he part
of London.pm then? I think he is now.)

Cheers,
Philip
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All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Elaine -HFB- Ashton]

Dave Cross [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*>> 
*>> The modules list is a bit out of date in this case (I'm at eight)...
*>
*>And, of course, not all modules on CPAN are in the module list 
*>(see, for example, Symbol::Approx::Sub).

It's not out of date. It's generated whenever there is an update to the
modlist since it is just another representation of that list. If your
modules aren't in the list then you need to submit it to Andreas.

http://theoryx5.uwinnipeg.ca/CPAN/perl/pod/perlnewmod.html#Step_by_step_Distributing_your_module

describes how this is done.

e.

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Sat, 16 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

>
> Some people asked about how to get on the modlist, as far as I know
> the process is detailed here 
>
>   http://www.cpan.org/modules/04pause.html#namespace
>

And I bet Johan was figuring on a quiet weekend :)

/J\

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[David Cantrell]

On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 09:49:24PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> * Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Greg McCarroll sent the following bits through the ether:
> > 
> > > It is a very alpha-ish cgi script that simply compiles a 
> > > Leader Board of known London.pm people
> > 
> > The modules list is a bit out of date in this case (I'm at eight)...
> 
> the blame the module list maintainer , not me ;-)

The list doesn't get updated that often - it was something like six months
after Data::Hexdumper was submitted to the modules mailing list and bunged
on CPAN before an updated list was issued.

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Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Paul Johnson]

On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 11:05:32PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:

> Credit where credit is due. I should probably point out that I made very
> heavy use of Paul's GEDCOM.pm when writing webged.

I noticed, but at least you used it well ;-)

I occassionally type a few keywords into Google to try and trace any
uses of my modules.  It can be quite interesting to see where they end
up.

-- 
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http://www.pjcj.net

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Greg McCarroll]

* Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 10:38:44PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> 
> > and you've now been associated on the page with us as well ;-)
> 
> Thanks.  I'll have to be an honourary member since I'm in Switzerland at
> the moment, but at least it bumps up the percentages on the web page 
> 

Currently we are at 0.94% of CPAN, but i'm sure we have more contributors
than i have listed

if dha supplies me with a list of cpan ID's and names for NY i'll
do a similar page of NY and include the % of each on both pages



-- 
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Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Dave Cross]

On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 11:53:30PM +0200, Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 10:38:44PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> 
> > and you've now been associated on the page with us as well ;-)
> 
> Thanks.  I'll have to be an honourary member since I'm in Switzerland at
> the moment, but at least it bumps up the percentages on the web page 

That's just down the road in comparison to some of the people that 
consider themselves members of london.pm :)

Dave...

-- 

  Don't dream it... be it

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Dave Cross]

On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 11:29:27PM +0200, Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 10:18:47PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote:
> 
> > Family graphs? Good call. What was that ancestry format again?
> 
> GEDCOM.  I wrote Gedcom.pm and I've actually had a couple of people
> asking about Graphviz, but I had to say I didn't know anything about it.

Credit where credit is due. I should probably point out that I made very
heavy use of Paul's GEDCOM.pm when writing webged.

Dave...

-- 

  Drugs are just bad m'kay

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Paul Johnson]

On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 10:38:44PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:

> and you've now been associated on the page with us as well ;-)

Thanks.  I'll have to be an honourary member since I'm in Switzerland at
the moment, but at least it bumps up the percentages on the web page 

-- 
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http://www.pjcj.net

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Greg McCarroll]

* Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 10:18:47PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote:
> 
> > Family graphs? Good call. What was that ancestry format again?
> 
> GEDCOM.  I wrote Gedcom.pm and I've actually had a couple of people
> asking about Graphviz, but I had to say I didn't know anything about it.
> 

and you've now been associated on the page with us as well ;-)

-- 
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Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Paul Johnson]

On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 10:18:47PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote:

> Family graphs? Good call. What was that ancestry format again?

GEDCOM.  I wrote Gedcom.pm and I've actually had a couple of people
asking about Graphviz, but I had to say I didn't know anything about it.

Go to it.

Please 

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http://www.pjcj.net

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Greg McCarroll]

* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 09:42:20PM +0100, Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
>wrote:
> > Greg McCarroll sent the following bits through the ether:
> > 
> > > It is a very alpha-ish cgi script that simply compiles a 
> > > Leader Board of known London.pm people
> > 
> > The modules list is a bit out of date in this case (I'm at eight)...
> 
> And, of course, not all modules on CPAN are in the module list 
> (see, for example, Symbol::Approx::Sub).
> 

hmmm, somehow that strengthens the argument for using the module
list ;-)

however if someone can suggest a better way to evaluate the CPAN
contributions I'm all ears. I like the modlist, because theoretically
its things that have went through some form of QA[1][2] and become part
of the proper CPAN set.

Greg

[1] or KA [3]
[2] albeit limited [3]
[3] as someone once told me - Pratchett has a lot to answer for when
it comes to footnotes (paraphrased)


-- 
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Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Dave Cross]

On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 10:18:47PM +0100, Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> Richard Clamp sent the following bits through the ether:
> 
> > Yeah but if you did just parse 02packages blindly then Leon would have
> > a bigger headstart with all of the Graphviz::GraphMyAunt modules.
> 
> Family graphs? Good call. What was that ancestry format again?

Do you mean GEDCOM?

I made a start at something to create data structures based on GEDCOM files
and create web pages using TT2. Feel free to snarf code from



Dave...

-- 

  Don't dream it... be it

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Leon Brocard]

Richard Clamp sent the following bits through the ether:

> Yeah but if you did just parse 02packages blindly then Leon would have
> a bigger headstart with all of the Graphviz::GraphMyAunt modules.

Family graphs? Good call. What was that ancestry format again?

Leon
-- 
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Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/

... 1200 bps used to seem so fast

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Richard Clamp]

On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 10:02:04PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
> And, of course, not all modules on CPAN are in the module list 
> (see, for example, Symbol::Approx::Sub).

Yeah but if you did just parse 02packages blindly then Leon would have
a bigger headstart with all of the Graphviz::GraphMyAunt modules.

-- 
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"so we've got a deadline.
 we can do deadlines."

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Dave Cross]

On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 09:42:20PM +0100, Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> Greg McCarroll sent the following bits through the ether:
> 
> > It is a very alpha-ish cgi script that simply compiles a 
> > Leader Board of known London.pm people
> 
> The modules list is a bit out of date in this case (I'm at eight)...

And, of course, not all modules on CPAN are in the module list 
(see, for example, Symbol::Approx::Sub).

Dave...

-- 

  Drugs are just bad m'kay

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Greg McCarroll]

* Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Greg McCarroll sent the following bits through the ether:
> 
> > It is a very alpha-ish cgi script that simply compiles a 
> > Leader Board of known London.pm people
> 
> The modules list is a bit out of date in this case (I'm at eight)...
> 

the blame the module list maintainer , not me ;-)



-- 
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Re: early peek at a bit of fun

[Leon Brocard]

Greg McCarroll sent the following bits through the ether:

> It is a very alpha-ish cgi script that simply compiles a 
> Leader Board of known London.pm people

The modules list is a bit out of date in this case (I'm at eight)...

Leon
-- 
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Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/

... The faster you go, the shorter you are