Re: Exim and HELO

2003-09-08 Thread Andrew Savige
Nicholas Clark schreef: > Anyway, something's just gone horribly wrong because we[1]'ve just > won a cricket match. That's not supposed to happen. > > 1: For some value of we that feels some sort of support for the >England team, not that they really earn it that often. >(Strict pedants wil

Re: Kibo and Religion - Inventing Deities

2003-09-08 Thread David H. Adler
On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 09:17:06PM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: > Andy Wardley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Nigel Hamilton wrote: > >> Talking about inventing deities ... was anyone around when the GOD > >> 'Kibo' was invented on Usenet? > > > > Yep. I've met and partied with Kibo himself. I

Re: any recommended web-hosting?

2003-09-08 Thread Wechsler
James Campbell wrote: Hi everybody I'm looking for a company to host a business website. Has anyone had any good or bad experiences that they can comment on without an ensuing lawsuite? I'm in London as I am sure (some) of you are so if you know of any London based companies I would love to hear a

Long lost Tony Haggerty

2003-09-08 Thread James Campbell
Does anyone know of a Perl guy in London called Tony Haggerty? He doesn't owe me any money or anything, I just lost his e-mail. Cheers James

Re: any recommended web-hosting?

2003-09-08 Thread Dean Wilson
James Campbell wrote: > I'm looking for a company to host a business website. Has anyone had > any good or bad experiences that they can comment on without an > ensuing lawsuite? I'm in London as I am sure (some) of you are so if > you know of any London based companies I would love to hear about >

Re: Module dependencies

2003-09-08 Thread Randy J. Ray
On 2003.09.08 05:15 Kate L Pugh wrote: I want to find a nice, visual, automatic way of looking at my modules' dependencies. I want a script that I can give the name of a module and optionally a Perl version, and get a recursive list of its dependencies and their dependencies, maybe with highlighti

any recommended web-hosting?

2003-09-08 Thread James Campbell
Hi everybody I'm looking for a company to host a business website. Has anyone had any good or bad experiences that they can comment on without an ensuing lawsuite? I'm in London as I am sure (some) of you are so if you know of any London based companies I would love to hear about them. Before I m

Re: Module dependencies

2003-09-08 Thread Leon Brocard
Tony Bowden sent the following bits through the ether: > Obviously depends on Module::CPANTS being correct, but that's an > SEP... I've given up Module::CPANTS to Thomas Klausner. So it's not my P! ;-) May he run with it and do all the things I would do if I didn't have seventeen billion and fou

Re: Exim and HELO

2003-09-08 Thread David Landgren
Jason Clifford wrote: [...] You may safely reject any SMTP connection that announces itself this way (HELO compuserve.com) Just be sure you only match on "compuserve.com" as if you match subdomains you'll be blocking email from a lot of people. Yes, exactly that. In postfix, one would create a

Re: Module dependencies

2003-09-08 Thread Shevek
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Paul Makepeace wrote: > Je 2003-09-08 15:29:16 +0100, Shevek skribis: > > I like the suggestion later in this thread about having a standard way of > > specifying "optional" modules. I think that such a feature could benefit > > from considerable architecture support, and would

Re: Module dependencies

2003-09-08 Thread Paul Makepeace
Je 2003-09-08 15:29:16 +0100, Shevek skribis: > I like the suggestion later in this thread about having a standard way of > specifying "optional" modules. I think that such a feature could benefit > from considerable architecture support, and would make Makefile.PL (or > whatever equivalent) more r

Re: Module dependencies

2003-09-08 Thread Kate L Pugh
On Mon 08 Sep 2003, Shevek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I like the suggestion later in this thread about having a standard way of > specifying "optional" modules. I think that such a feature could benefit > from considerable architecture support, and would make Makefile.PL (or > whatever equivalent

Re: Module dependencies

2003-09-08 Thread Shevek
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Kate L Pugh wrote: > Shevek wrote: > >> Surely identifying the dependencies of any one module is incomputable in > >> general, and most likely incomputable in the specific cases of many > >> popular modules, especially those with baroque plugin architectures. > > On Mon 08 S

Re: Module dependencies

2003-09-08 Thread Philip Newton
On 8 Sep 2003 at 15:29, Elizabeth Mattijsen wrote: > At 14:13 +0100 9/8/03, Michael Stevens wrote: > >Probably you could get most of the data the experimental way - %INC will > >list things loaded with do, require, or use (see perlvar), so you could > >'use' each interesting module on its own and

Re: Exim and HELO

2003-09-08 Thread Jason Clifford
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, David Landgren wrote: > I hope you succeed in doing in your MTA of choice. If you can drop the > connection before DATA, you can save a lot of bandwidth. > > You may safely reject any SMTP connection that announces itself this > way (HELO compuserve.com) Just be sure you on

Re: Module dependencies

2003-09-08 Thread Rafael Garcia-Suarez
Michael Stevens wrote: > > Probably you could get most of the data the experimental way - %INC will > list things loaded with do, require, or use (see perlvar), so you could > 'use' each interesting module on its own and monitor which files get > loaded, and generate a suitable graph. I think tha

Re: Exim and HELO

2003-09-08 Thread David Landgren
Peter Sergeant wrote: How would one do the ditching at SMTP time? It would appear that any email from this company starts its transaction with my mail-server with 'HELO compuserve.com'. I've seen an exim4 config-file snippet to block at this point[1] - I'm looking to do the same with exim3... I h

Re: Module dependencies

2003-09-08 Thread Paul Johnson
Shevek said: > On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Rafael Garcia-Suarez wrote: > >> Shevek wrote: >> > >> > Surely identifying the dependencies of any one module is incomputable >> in >> > general, and most likely incomputable in the specific cases of many >> > popular modules, especially those with baroque plugi

Re: Exim and HELO

2003-09-08 Thread Jason Clifford
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Rafael Garcia-Suarez wrote: > > No, it's definitely Willow - particularly in leather. > > What do you guys have about this leather thing ? It's the great British passion - leather on willow. Jason Clifford -- UKFSN.ORG Finance Free Software while you surf the

Re: Module dependencies

2003-09-08 Thread Elizabeth Mattijsen
At 14:13 +0100 9/8/03, Michael Stevens wrote: On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 01:24:07PM +0100, Shevek wrote: Surely identifying the dependencies of any one module is incomputable in general, and most likely incomputable in the specific cases of many popular modules, especially those with baroque plugin

Re: Exim and HELO

2003-09-08 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 03:12:18PM +0200, Rafael Garcia-Suarez wrote: > Jason Clifford wrote: > > On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Robin Berjon wrote: > > > > > > It's Willow. > > > > > > My oh my. To say I had been putting such an absurd notion on the back of the > > > fact that they were rosbifs. You're ma

Re: Module dependencies

2003-09-08 Thread Tony Bowden
On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 02:21:33PM +0100, Kate L Pugh wrote: > Well, I was planning to rely on Module::CPANTS. I'd prefer an extant > imperfect solution to an unimplementable perfect solution, or no solution. I've used this in the past. Obviously depends on Module::CPANTS being correct, but that

Re: Exim and HELO

2003-09-08 Thread Iain Tatch
On Monday, September 8, 2003, 1:55:53 PM, Jason Clifford wrote: JC> On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Robin Berjon wrote: >> > It's Willow. >> >> My oh my. To say I had been putting such an absurd notion on the back of the >> fact that they were rosbifs. You're making me doubt if building that tunnel was >>

Re: Module dependencies

2003-09-08 Thread Kate L Pugh
Shevek wrote: >> Surely identifying the dependencies of any one module is incomputable in >> general, and most likely incomputable in the specific cases of many >> popular modules, especially those with baroque plugin architectures. On Mon 08 Sep 2003, Rafael Garcia-Suarez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr

Re: Exim and HELO

2003-09-08 Thread nemesis
Tony Kennick wrote: On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 13:14:40 +0100 Nicholas Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I thought traditional london.pm advocacy was whether Willow or Buffy was on top. Willow and Faith custard wrestling. On the note of advocacy, it is part of life, the problem with the mail wasn't that it

Re: Exim and HELO

2003-09-08 Thread Rafael Garcia-Suarez
Jason Clifford wrote: > On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Robin Berjon wrote: > > > > It's Willow. > > > > My oh my. To say I had been putting such an absurd notion on the back of the > > fact that they were rosbifs. You're making me doubt if building that tunnel was > > a good idea, maybe it was better off

Re: Exim and HELO

2003-09-08 Thread Tony Kennick
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 13:14:40 +0100 Nicholas Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 11:58:57AM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote: > > Jonathan Stowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > MTA Advocacy Zzzz > > > > What, you'd rather we talked about *cars* or something

Re: Module dependencies

2003-09-08 Thread Paul Mison
On 08/09/2003 at 13:15 +0100, Kate L Pugh wrote: I want to find a nice, visual, automatic way of looking at my modules' dependencies. [snip] I wonder how far a combination of Module::ScanDeps and Module::CoreList and a bit of wrapper code would get you? http://search.cpan.org/perldoc?Module::Sca

Re: Module dependencies

2003-09-08 Thread Shevek
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Rafael Garcia-Suarez wrote: > Shevek wrote: > > > > Surely identifying the dependencies of any one module is incomputable in > > general, and most likely incomputable in the specific cases of many > > popular modules, especially those with baroque plugin architectures. > >

Re: Exim and HELO

2003-09-08 Thread Jason Clifford
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Robin Berjon wrote: > > It's Willow. > > My oh my. To say I had been putting such an absurd notion on the back of the > fact that they were rosbifs. You're making me doubt if building that tunnel was > a good idea, maybe it was better off as an island. > > Faith Faith Faith

Re: Exim and HELO

2003-09-08 Thread Robin Berjon
Rafael Garcia-Suarez wrote: Nicholas Clark wrote: I thought traditional london.pm advocacy was whether Willow or Buffy was on top. It's Willow. My oh my. To say I had been putting such an absurd notion on the back of the fact that they were rosbifs. You're making me doubt if building that tunnel w

Re: Module dependencies

2003-09-08 Thread Rafael Garcia-Suarez
Shevek wrote: > > Surely identifying the dependencies of any one module is incomputable in > general, and most likely incomputable in the specific cases of many > popular modules, especially those with baroque plugin architectures. Of course that depends on whether you want to compute the depen

Re: PDF addition

2003-09-08 Thread Robin Berjon
Shevek wrote: Isn't PDF a stack machine language similar to PostScript? Therefore text wrapping is your problem (and a very hard one at that, look at TeX). Text wrapping is sometimes unpleasant, but I believe that AxPoint shows how it can be done and the code can certainly be stolen. Otherwise, I

Re: Exim and HELO

2003-09-08 Thread Rafael Garcia-Suarez
Nicholas Clark wrote: > On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 11:58:57AM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote: > > Jonathan Stowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > MTA Advocacy Zzzz > > > > What, you'd rather we talked about *cars* or something like that? > > I thought traditional london.pm advocac

Re: Module dependencies

2003-09-08 Thread Shevek
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Kate L Pugh wrote: > I want to find a nice, visual, automatic way of looking at my modules' > dependencies. I want a script that I can give the name of a module > and optionally a Perl version, and get a recursive list of its > dependencies and their dependencies, maybe with h

Re: PDF addition

2003-09-08 Thread Shevek
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Mark Fowler wrote: > Has anyone here got experience with altering PDF documents from Perl? > Basically I want to take an existing document and add some text to it. > > I've had a play with PDF::Reuse, and that seems to be exactly what I want, > but it doesn't do textwrapping (

Module dependencies

2003-09-08 Thread Kate L Pugh
I want to find a nice, visual, automatic way of looking at my modules' dependencies. I want a script that I can give the name of a module and optionally a Perl version, and get a recursive list of its dependencies and their dependencies, maybe with highlighting to show which modules have never bee

Re: Exim and HELO

2003-09-08 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 11:58:57AM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote: > Jonathan Stowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > MTA Advocacy Zzzz > > What, you'd rather we talked about *cars* or something like that? I thought traditional london.pm advocacy was whether Willow or Buffy was on t

Re: Exim and HELO

2003-09-08 Thread Dominic Mitchell
Jonathan Stowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Sam Vilain wrote: > >> On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 10:58, Lusercop wrote; >> >> > how can it now be unsupported?". Just upgrade. It will make your >> > life *so* much easier. (there are actually .debs of exim4 around >> > if you want it

Re: Exim and HELO

2003-09-08 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Sam Vilain wrote: > On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 10:58, Lusercop wrote; > > > how can it now be unsupported?". Just upgrade. It will make your > > life *so* much easier. (there are actually .debs of exim4 around > > if you want it to sit nicely with your package management). > > Y

Re: Exim and HELO

2003-09-08 Thread Sam Vilain
On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 10:58, Lusercop wrote; > how can it now be unsupported?". Just upgrade. It will make your > life *so* much easier. (there are actually .debs of exim4 around > if you want it to sit nicely with your package management). Yes. Upgrade. To postfix. -- Sam Vilain, [EMAIL P

PDF addition

2003-09-08 Thread Mark Fowler
Has anyone here got experience with altering PDF documents from Perl? Basically I want to take an existing document and add some text to it. I've had a play with PDF::Reuse, and that seems to be exactly what I want, but it doesn't do textwrapping (or at least I can't see how to do text wrapping wi

Re: Exim and HELO

2003-09-08 Thread Lusercop
On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 10:18:58AM +0100, Peter Sergeant wrote: > > How would one do the ditching at SMTP time? > It would appear that any email from this company starts its transaction > with my mail-server with 'HELO compuserve.com'. I've seen an exim4 > config-file snippet to block at this point

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-08 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 04:12:49AM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: > Rafael Garcia-Suarez [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth: > *> - that circle of light behind the head of saints (what's the english > *> word ?) > Halo or nimbus :) The difference being, IIRC, that a halo is a simple ring, a nimbus has s

Re: Exim and HELO

2003-09-08 Thread Peter Sergeant
> How would one do the ditching at SMTP time? It would appear that any email from this company starts its transaction with my mail-server with 'HELO compuserve.com'. I've seen an exim4 config-file snippet to block at this point[1] - I'm looking to do the same with exim3... +Pete [1] http://black

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-08 Thread Elaine -HFB- Ashton
Rafael Garcia-Suarez [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth: *> - that circle of light behind the head of saints (what's the english *> word ?) Halo or nimbus :) e.

Re: Exim and HELO

2003-09-08 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 10:05:39AM +0100, Shevek wrote: > Since mail15 alway use exactly the same subject line, I use spamassassin > to make sure that it's a real mail15 line, and then procmail to ditch any > mails tagged as spam having that subject line. > > To be honest, you could probably jus

Re: Pub feedback please

2003-09-08 Thread Kate L Pugh
On Mon 08 Sep 2003, Scott McWhirter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the fact that the bottom bar wasn't manned pissed me off a little... I'm sorry you were disappointed by this. I did know it would be the case but forgot to mention it in the announcement. This isn't the only pub we use that doesn't

Re: Exim and HELO

2003-09-08 Thread Shevek
Since mail15 alway use exactly the same subject line, I use spamassassin to make sure that it's a real mail15 line, and then procmail to ditch any mails tagged as spam having that subject line. To be honest, you could probably just ditch by subject line alone. S. On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Peter Serg

Re: Pub feedback please

2003-09-08 Thread Scott McWhirter
On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 01:58:12AM +0100, Michael Stevens wrote: > The problem with the beer was basically that they ran out of several > kinds of the nicer beer - they ran out of bombardier fairly early, then > something else (old speckled hen?) then by around 9:30ish they ran > out of Young's Bit

Exim and HELO

2003-09-08 Thread Peter Sergeant
I've recently been getting hammered by mail15.com performing a dictionary attack on my mail server - my server accepts email to anyone @clueball.com, and so I've been recieving several thousand piece of spam a day advertising mail15.com. This is obviously somewhat upsetting - it may get marked as

Re: Kibo and Religion - Inventing Deities

2003-09-08 Thread Philip Newton
On 7 Sep 2003 at 21:17, Piers Cawley wrote: > Ah. I've had mail from Kibo, but haven't actually met him. I've had mail from Kibo, but I *think* it was an autoreply or form letter of some sort, so it probably doesn't really count. (It was a long time ago and I can't remember precisely.) Cheers

Re: Audiofile::Info

2003-09-08 Thread Rafael Garcia-Suarez
Apparently my mail server was dead for three days... Rafael Garcia-Suarez wrote before the week-end: > Dan Brook wrote: > > > > use vars '%INC'; > > useless use of "use vars" : the INC symbol is exempt from strict-vars > errors. Or do you use a buggy version of perl that I don't know about ?

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-08 Thread Rafael Garcia-Suarez
Jason Clifford wrote: > > Christianity is a derived form of Judaism. It teaches that there is one > God and that's it. Nope -- Christianity is a derived form of Zorostrianism, with a few Judaic influences, since Jesus was Jew. Note that Judaism was itself heavily influenced by Zorostrianism, es

Re: Audiofile::Info

2003-09-08 Thread Rafael Garcia-Suarez
Dan Brook wrote: > > use vars '%INC'; useless use of "use vars" : the INC symbol is exempt from strict-vars errors. Or do you use a buggy version of perl that I don't know about ?