Re: [Lsr] LSR Flooding Reduction Drafts - Moving Forward

2018-08-24 Thread Peter Psenak
Hi Jeff, On 24/08/18 00:59 , Jeff Tantsura wrote: Peter, As previously stated - I'm against gating, it should be developed in parallel and with cooperation with the ongoing/existing work. Note - there's a document (albeit expired, it played its role) that talks about generic DC Routing

Re: [Lsr] LSR Flooding Reduction Drafts - Moving Forward

2018-08-24 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Speaking as WG member: I agree on this and don't believe we need a separate document or a protracted discussion. Additionally, I don't think we should worry about anything going on in other WGs. Thanks, Acee P.S. I'll provide more input to the discussion as well. As luck would have it, I

Re: [Lsr] LSR Flooding Reduction Drafts - Moving Forward

2018-08-24 Thread tony . li
So, going Old Skool here: Since everyone agrees that this is a reasonable direction, how about we have a real discussion on the list? Requirement number 1 is straightforward: a significant reduction in flooding overhead. The basis for this requirement is the understanding that in a dense

Re: [Lsr] New Version Notification for draft-wu-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-00.txt

2018-08-24 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Hi Qin, On 8/23/18, 11:03 PM, "Qin Wu" wrote: Hi, Folks: draft-wu-pce-discovery-pceps-support-07 has been resubmitted to LSR as draft-wu-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-00 based on Chairs' suggestion. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wu-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-00

Re: [Lsr] LSR Flooding Reduction Drafts - Moving Forward

2018-08-24 Thread Peter Psenak
Hi Tony, On 24/08/18 17:03 , tony...@tony.li wrote: So, going Old Skool here: Since everyone agrees that this is a reasonable direction, how about we have a real discussion on the list? Requirement number 1 is straightforward: a significant reduction in flooding overhead. The basis for

Re: [Lsr] LSR Flooding Reduction Drafts - Moving Forward

2018-08-24 Thread tony . li
> a) we are talking any kind of topology for the solution, i.e. generic graph? Well, the problem with a topology restriction is that mistakes happen. If we have a solution for a pure bipartite graph (i.e., a leaf-spine topology) and someone mistakenly inserts a leaf to leaf link, what

Re: [Lsr] LSR Flooding Reduction Drafts - Moving Forward

2018-08-24 Thread Tony Przygienda
Hey Tony, as to miscabling: yepp, the protocol has either to prevent adjacencies coming up or one has to deal with generic topologies. If you don't want to design miscabling prevention/topology ZTP into protocol (like ROLL or RIFT did) you have to deal with generic graph as you say. I think that

Re: [Lsr] LSR Flooding Reduction Drafts - Moving Forward

2018-08-24 Thread Robert Raszuk
Tonys / Everyone, > moreover, I observe that IME ISIS is much more robust under such optimizations since the CSNPs catch (@ a somehow ugly delay cost) > any corner cases whereas OSPF after IDBE will happily stay out of sync forever if flooding skips something (that may actually become a > reason

Re: [Lsr] LSR Flooding Reduction Drafts - Moving Forward

2018-08-24 Thread Tony Przygienda
OK, good, real work. So from some scar tissue here's one question a) we are talking any kind of topology for the solution, i.e. generic graph? and then suggestion for IME realistic, operational MUST requirements b) req a): the solution should support distributed and centralized algorithm to

Re: [Lsr] LSR Flooding Reduction Drafts - Moving Forward

2018-08-24 Thread Huaimo Chen
I think distributed is more practical too. For computing routes, we have been using distributed SPF on every node for many years. In fact, we may not need to run the exact algorithm on every node. As long as the algorithms running on different nodes generate the same result, that would work.

Re: [Lsr] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-msd

2018-08-24 Thread Jeff Tantsura
Hi Tal, Many thanks for your comments. Updated draft has been published for your review. Cheers, Jeff From: Tal Mizrahi Date: Monday, August 20, 2018 at 23:45 To: , , , Cc: , "Yemin (Amy)" Subject: RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-msd Resent-From: Resent-To: Jeff