[Lsr] 答复: 【Responses for Comments on PUAM Draft】RE: IETF 112 LSR Meeting Minutes

2021-11-26 Thread Huzhibo
Hi Robert: There may be other egress protection solution. However, the PLR is a P node and cannot sense BGP information. The PLR needs to establish a master/backup PE relationship. In some implementations as I know, It was manually specified in some way. Dynamic and automated I'm not sure if

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2021-11-26 Thread Aijun Wang
Hi, Robert: Aijun Wang China Telecom > On Nov 27, 2021, at 08:26, Robert Raszuk wrote: >  > Aijun, > > >> [WAJ] As Peter and I state several times, we want to find the generic >> solution for different scenarios. BGP exist or not. > > Maybe you missed my point. I am not aware of any

Re: [Lsr] 【Responses for Comments on PUAM Draft】RE: IETF 112 LSR Meeting Minutes

2021-11-26 Thread Robert Raszuk
Aijun, [WAJ] For SRv6 policy based tunnel, the previous node may not be the > neighbor node. It may locate in other area. > Only in the case of binding SIDs on the penultimate segment endpoint such signalling would perhaps help. In all other cases the information MUST be propagated to the

Re: [Lsr] 【Responses for Comments on PUAM Draft】RE: IETF 112 LSR Meeting Minutes

2021-11-26 Thread Aijun Wang
Hi,Shraddha: Aijun Wang China Telecom > On Nov 26, 2021, at 12:49, Shraddha Hegde wrote: > >  > Huzhibo, > > Local protection is always executed on the node where failure occurs (for > link protection) and the previous node > (for node failure). [WAJ] For SRv6 policy based tunnel, the

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2021-11-26 Thread Robert Raszuk
Aijun, [WAJ] As Peter and I state several times, we want to find the generic > solution for different scenarios. BGP exist or not. > Maybe you missed my point. I am not aware of any production router stack which would not support BGP. That is irrespective of if BGP is used for service

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2021-11-26 Thread Aijun Wang
Hi, Robert: Aijun Wang China Telecom > On Nov 27, 2021, at 00:47, Robert Raszuk wrote: > >  > Peter, > > As I told you many times I do see a need to signal summary member liveness. > Otherwise I would not be spending time here. [WAJ] Welcome to join us. > > But what I am trying to discuss

Re: [Lsr] Rtgdir last call review of draft-ietf-lsr-isis-flood-reflection-05

2021-11-26 Thread Antoni Przygienda
Mike, thanks, all very clever comments in fact, answers inline and addressed in new version -06 just publihsed -- tony On 25/11/2021, 21:04, "Michael Richardson via Datatracker" wrote: [External Email. Be cautious of content] Reviewer: Michael Richardson Review result: Has

[Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-flood-reflection-06.txt

2021-11-26 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. Title : IS-IS Flood Reflection Authors : Tony Przygienda Chris Bowers

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2021-11-26 Thread Robert Raszuk
> Pulse cleans up itself without any additional flooding, that's the whole > idea of it. That's the most scary and not well understood part of it. Ghosts ! Appears and magically disappears. > It also is not part of the LSDB that IGP uses for > computation, so it does not affect the scale. >

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2021-11-26 Thread Peter Psenak
Robert, On 26/11/2021 17:47, Robert Raszuk wrote: Peter, As I told you many times I do see a need to signal summary member liveness. Otherwise I would not be spending time here. But what I am trying to discuss is the proposed mechanism of such signalling and possible alternatives. I

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2021-11-26 Thread Robert Raszuk
Peter, As I told you many times I do see a need to signal summary member liveness. Otherwise I would not be spending time here. But what I am trying to discuss is the proposed mechanism of such signalling and possible alternatives. I suggested to you to do selective leaking. I do not recall

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2021-11-26 Thread Peter Psenak
Robert, On 26/11/2021 17:18, Robert Raszuk wrote: Peter, Technically I see no justification to run any service within your own domian over IPSec. tell people that are doing so, not me. In those cases simple IP encapsulation works fine. So let's zoom on this scenario ... Your PEs 

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2021-11-26 Thread Robert Raszuk
Peter, Technically I see no justification to run any service within your own domian over IPSec. In those cases simple IP encapsulation works fine. So let's zoom on this scenario ... Your PEs communicate over IP encapsulation which does not require any connection establishment. They start to

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2021-11-26 Thread Gyan Mishra
Robert Just want to chime in on the primary context of PUA/Pulse design is to provide protection of the underlay egress PE next hops host routes that are summarized to provide an egress PE protection mechanism similar to RFC 8679 but focused on IGP to track the component prefixes of the summary

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2021-11-26 Thread Peter Psenak
Hi Robert, On 25/11/2021 20:21, Robert Raszuk wrote: Hi Peter, First BGP MP_UNREACH propagation via RRs is really fast. Please observe that if your BGP implementation is smart you do not need to withdraw prefix by prefix in any application which uses VRFs. You can withdraw RD/64s only when

Re: [Lsr] 【Responses for Comments on PUAM Draft】RE: IETF 112 LSR Meeting Minutes

2021-11-26 Thread Robert Raszuk
Huzhibo, > specifying the master/backup relationship of egress protection is complex Sure is - but there is absolutely no requirement to do it. BGP already carries all information needed to instantiate such protection. It is therefore all dynamic and automated. As said cost is extra LFIB space

Re: [Lsr] 【Responses for Comments on PUAM Draft】RE: IETF 112 LSR Meeting Minutes

2021-11-26 Thread Huzhibo
Hi, Shraddha: If there are a large number of CE-to-PE mix-homing scenarios, specifying the master/backup relationship of egress protection is complex, which greatly increases deployment complexity. Therefore, local protection is not applicable to all scenarios. In addition, local