Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-igp-flex-algo-reverse-affinity-02.txt

2024-03-21 Thread Peter Psenak
Robert, On 21/03/2024 20:52, Robert Raszuk wrote: Peter, Ok I think what you are proposing is pretty granular and that is fine. We may still disagree if link should be used at all if there are errors on this link in *ANY* direction. So my suggestion here is to have that support build in as

Re: [Lsr] Comments on draft-zhu-lsr-isis-sr-vtn-flexalgo-07

2024-03-21 Thread Gyan Mishra
Hi Jie I thought about this and how applying your L2 member link extension to SR algo would work and would it be feasible or not. I believe subinterface would work since each subinterface has an L3 logical IP on it so could map multiple NRPs to multiple L3 sub interfaces and that would work as

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Adoption Poll for "Updates to Anycast Property advertisement for OSPFv2" - draft-chen-lsr-anycast-flag-06

2024-03-21 Thread Ketan Talaulikar
Hi Bruno, Please check inline below with KT3. On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 11:28 PM wrote: > Hi Ketan, > > > > Please see inline [Bruno2] > > > > *From:* Ketan Talaulikar > *Sent:* Thursday, March 21, 2024 4:19 PM > *To:* DECRAENE Bruno INNOV/NET > *Cc:* Acee Lindem ; lsr ; >

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Adoption Poll for "Updates to Anycast Property advertisement for OSPFv2" - draft-chen-lsr-anycast-flag-06

2024-03-21 Thread Ketan Talaulikar
Hi Les, Ack - we will fix that text. Thanks, Ketan On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 12:17 AM Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: > I support adoption of this draft. > Knowledge of whether a given prefix is Anycast has proven useful in > existing deployments - closing this gap for OSPFv2 is a good thing to

Re: [Lsr] Comments on draft-zhu-lsr-isis-sr-vtn-flexalgo-07

2024-03-21 Thread Dongjie (Jimmy)
Hi Peter, Please see inline: From: Peter Psenak Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2024 7:39 PM To: Dongjie (Jimmy) ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; lsr@ietf.org; draft-zhu-lsr-isis-sr-vtn-flexalgo.auth...@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] Comments on draft-zhu-lsr-isis-sr-vtn-flexalgo-07 Hi Jie, On 21/03/2024

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-igp-flex-algo-reverse-affinity-02.txt

2024-03-21 Thread Robert Raszuk
Peter, Ok I think what you are proposing is pretty granular and that is fine. We may still disagree if link should be used at all if there are errors on this link in *ANY* direction. So my suggestion here is to have that support build in as well in the nodes computing the topology and not always

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Adoption Poll for "Updates to Anycast Property advertisement for OSPFv2" - draft-chen-lsr-anycast-flag-06

2024-03-21 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
I support adoption of this draft. Knowledge of whether a given prefix is Anycast has proven useful in existing deployments - closing this gap for OSPFv2 is a good thing to do. One editorial comment. The introduction (and abstract) states: " Both SR-MPLS prefix-SID and IPv4 prefix may be

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Adoption Poll for "Updates to Anycast Property advertisement for OSPFv2" - draft-chen-lsr-anycast-flag-06

2024-03-21 Thread bruno . decraene
Hi Ketan, Please see inline [Bruno2] From: Ketan Talaulikar Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2024 4:19 PM To: DECRAENE Bruno INNOV/NET Cc: Acee Lindem ; lsr ; draft-chen-lsr-anycast-f...@ietf.org; Dongjie (Jimmy) ; Tony Przygienda Subject: Re: [Lsr] Working Group Adoption Poll for "Updates to

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-igp-flex-algo-reverse-affinity-02.txt

2024-03-21 Thread Peter Psenak
Hi Robert, On 21/03/2024 18:26, Robert Raszuk wrote: Hey Peter, Why do we need the notion of "reverse direction" to be any different then the notion of forward direction from node B to A on a link ? For a link A->B, we typically use attributes in the direction A->B.

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-igp-flex-algo-reverse-affinity-02.txt

2024-03-21 Thread Robert Raszuk
Hey Peter, > Why do we need the notion of "reverse direction" to be any different then > the notion of forward direction from node B to A on a link ? > > For a link A->B, we typically use attributes in the direction A->B. .e.g. > link delay, link affinities, etc. > > The reason why we want to be

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Adoption Poll for "Updates to Anycast Property advertisement for OSPFv2" - draft-chen-lsr-anycast-flag-06

2024-03-21 Thread Ketan Talaulikar
Hi Robert, One quick response inline below with KT. On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 10:37 PM Robert Raszuk wrote: > Hi Ketan, > > That is my main point. So we define something which is only local to the > area. > > If this information will turn out to be very useful I am sure there is > going to be

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-igp-flex-algo-reverse-affinity-02.txt

2024-03-21 Thread Peter Psenak
Robert, On 21/03/2024 17:52, Robert Raszuk wrote: Hi, > When Flex-Algorithm calculation processes the link A to B, it may look at > the 'colors' of the link in the reverse direction, e.g., link B to A. This would > allow the operator to exclude such link from the Flex-Algorithm topology.

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Adoption Poll for "Updates to Anycast Property advertisement for OSPFv2" - draft-chen-lsr-anycast-flag-06

2024-03-21 Thread Robert Raszuk
Hi Ketan, That is my main point. So we define something which is only local to the area. If this information will turn out to be very useful I am sure there is going to be someone proposing to leak it :) Remember the UPA discussions ? If so my real question is - should such information belong

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-igp-flex-algo-reverse-affinity-02.txt

2024-03-21 Thread Robert Raszuk
Hi, > When Flex-Algorithm calculation processes the link A to B, it may look at > the 'colors' of the link in the reverse direction, e.g., link B to A. This would > allow the operator to exclude such link from the Flex-Algorithm topology. Why do we need the notion of "reverse direction" to be

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Adoption Poll for "Updates to Anycast Property advertisement for OSPFv2" - draft-chen-lsr-anycast-flag-06

2024-03-21 Thread Ketan Talaulikar
Hi Robert, Summarization/aggregation does result in loss of individual prefixes' attributes. The draft does not intend to specify procedures for propagation of anycast attribute of individual prefixes to the summary since that is not something that is going to be robust. Thanks, Ketan On Thu,

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for "Flexible Algorithms: Bandwidth, Delay, Metrics and Constraints" - draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo-bw-con-07

2024-03-21 Thread Ketan Talaulikar
Hi All, I have reviewed this document and believe it needs some further work before publication. I am sharing my comments below: 1) There is the following text in sec 2.1 and 2.2 for Generic Metric. A metric value of 0xFF is considered as maximum link metric and a link having this metric

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Adoption Poll for "Updates to Anycast Property advertisement for OSPFv2" - draft-chen-lsr-anycast-flag-06

2024-03-21 Thread Robert Raszuk
Hi, Isn't this knowledge gone outside of the local area when ABR does summarization ? If so, is this really practically useful ? Thx, R. On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 4:19 PM Ketan Talaulikar wrote: > Hi Bruno, > > Please check inline below with KT2 for responses. > > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Adoption Poll for "Updates to Anycast Property advertisement for OSPFv2" - draft-chen-lsr-anycast-flag-06

2024-03-21 Thread Ketan Talaulikar
Hi Bruno, Please check inline below with KT2 for responses. On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 7:16 PM wrote: > Hi Ketan, > > > > Thanks for your quick reply. > > Please see inline [Bruno] > > > > *From:* Ketan Talaulikar > *Sent:* Thursday, March 21, 2024 2:18 PM > *To:* DECRAENE Bruno INNOV/NET >

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Adoption Poll for "Updates to Anycast Property advertisement for OSPFv2" - draft-chen-lsr-anycast-flag-06

2024-03-21 Thread Tony Przygienda
I can only say, `spot on, Bruno` ... a spec in IGP is not (not even experimental AFAIS) "hey, let's quickly call something 'anycast' and put a flag into encoding and then kind of figure out what it really means", especially for such a massive concept as "anycast" that will be coming up over years

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Adoption Poll for "Updates to Anycast Property advertisement for OSPFv2" - draft-chen-lsr-anycast-flag-06

2024-03-21 Thread bruno . decraene
Hi Ketan, Thanks for your quick reply. Please see inline [Bruno] From: Ketan Talaulikar Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2024 2:18 PM To: DECRAENE Bruno INNOV/NET Cc: Acee Lindem ; lsr ; draft-chen-lsr-anycast-f...@ietf.org; Dongjie (Jimmy) ; Tony Przygienda Subject: Re: [Lsr] Working Group

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Adoption Poll for "Updates to Anycast Property advertisement for OSPFv2" - draft-chen-lsr-anycast-flag-06

2024-03-21 Thread Ketan Talaulikar
Hi Bruno, Thanks for your feedback. Please check inline below for responses. On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 4:12 PM wrote: > Hi all, > > > > I would also welcome a clear specification of the semantics. > > Such that the meaning and implications are clear on both the originator > and the

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Adoption Poll for "Updates to Anycast Property advertisement for OSPFv2" - draft-chen-lsr-anycast-flag-06

2024-03-21 Thread bruno . decraene
Hi all, I would also welcome a clear specification of the semantics. Such that the meaning and implications are clear on both the originator and the receivers/consumers. e.g., from the originator standpoint: - The originator MAY advertise the Anycast Flag if CONDITIONS1 are met (which allow

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo-bw-con-08.txt

2024-03-21 Thread peng.shaofu
Hi Chairs, WG, I have relearned this document, and there are some non-blocking comments: [1] For Interface Group Mode of automatic metric calculation, it may biases the utilization rate of each link of the parallel link-set. Although the document give an example (figure 7) to explain why this

Re: [Lsr] Comments on draft-zhu-lsr-isis-sr-vtn-flexalgo-07

2024-03-21 Thread Peter Psenak
Hi Jie, On 21/03/2024 02:34, Dongjie (Jimmy) wrote: Hi Les, Thanks for providing your opinion with an example. In your example, the default IGP metric is used, which is normally calculated based on bandwidth. While Flex-Algo can support metric types such as TE metric and delay. When

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Adoption Poll for "Updates to Anycast Property advertisement for OSPFv2" - draft-chen-lsr-anycast-flag-06

2024-03-21 Thread Peter Psenak
Tony, On 20/03/2024 18:51, Tony Przygienda wrote: hmm, Peter, thanks for clarification but wasn't A the attach flag is OSPF in 7684? yes, here we define AC-flag. In ISIS it's in the SR support draft and hence I would ask here as well to somehow clarify that  "this is for SR purposes"