Re: [Lsr] 答复: WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 + IPR poll.
Chris, Well put. Yours Irrespectively, John > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of Christian Hopps > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 10:56 AM > To: lsr@ietf.org > Cc: lsr-cha...@ietf.org; lsr-...@ietf.org; 'Christian Hopps' > ; Aijun Wang > Subject: Re: [Lsr] 答复: WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 + > IPR poll. > > > Hi folks, > > It's not useful for people to be adding a bunch of extra qualifications and > caveats to the adoption poll. > > This is not a dual adoption poll. We are not calling for adoption of an > unwritten, > unfinished algorithm document. That makes no sense; we adopt reviewed > acceptable work, not the promise of it. We're also not going to hold up > standardizing the signaling work waiting on unfinished algorithm work, that's > literally the opposite of the goal here which is to un-tie these two things > so we > can make progress on both in parallel. > > Thanks, > Chris. > > Aijun Wang writes: > > > Hi, Christian: > > > > Supports for the adoption of two drafts at the same time, in which > > one(draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02) focuses on the centralized mode > > and the other(draft-cc-lsr-flooding-reduction-01) focuses on the > > distributed mode. > > > > The centralized mode for is one straightforward way to realize the > > flooding reduction, and I admire Tony Li give his solution first. But > > from the consideration of solution robustness, the distributed mode > > may be more promising. > > My consideration for distributed mode is that it should not cover only > > the algorithm, more contents need to be standardized in future. Huaimo > > has one good start point for distributed mode, and he also gives > > abundant thoughts for the centralized mode that the current version of > > draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 has not covered yet. > > > > Proposal for the name of two drafts may be > > draft-ietf-lsr-flooding-reduction-centralized-mode and > > draft-ietf-lsr-flooding-reduction-distributed-mode. > > > > > > Best Regards. > > > > Aijun Wang > > Network R&D and Operation Support Department China Telecom Corporation > > Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, China. > > > > -邮件原件- > > 发件人: Christian Hopps [mailto:cho...@chopps.org] > > 发送时间: 2019年2月11日 18:45 > > 收件人: lsr@ietf.org > > 抄送: lsr-cha...@ietf.org; lsr-...@ietf.org; cho...@chopps.org > > 主题: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 + IPR > > poll. > > > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > We are starting a 2 week adoption call on draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02. > > > > The aim of this document is to describe the problem space and > > standardize a way to signal dynamic flooding information. It does not > > standardize any specific algorithm for flooding topology creation. > > > > Authors please respond indicating if you are aware of any IPR related > > to this work. > > > > We also have another draft (draft-cc-lsr-flooding-reduction-01) that > > started as a distributed flooding topology algorithm and morphed into > > that plus competing ideas on signaling of flooding topology > > information. The intent after adoption of > > draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 is two-fold. One, the WG can discuss > > adding any signaling ideas from this work to the adopted signaling > > draft (with proper attribution given as appropriate), and two, for the > > authors of draft-cc-lsr-flooding-reduction-01 to publish a new > > document without the signaling portion and instead focus on their > > flooding topology algorithm. This new focused document can be considered in > parallel along with the other algorithm work that has been proposed. > > > > Flooding topology creation is seen as a hard problem for which we > > don't expect a one-size-fits-all solution. Taking the steps outlined > > above will help us move forward on the solutions. > > > > Thanks, > > Chris & Acee. > > LSR WG Chairs. ___ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr
Re: [Lsr] 答复: WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 + IPR poll.
Hi folks, It's not useful for people to be adding a bunch of extra qualifications and caveats to the adoption poll. This is not a dual adoption poll. We are not calling for adoption of an unwritten, unfinished algorithm document. That makes no sense; we adopt reviewed acceptable work, not the promise of it. We're also not going to hold up standardizing the signaling work waiting on unfinished algorithm work, that's literally the opposite of the goal here which is to un-tie these two things so we can make progress on both in parallel. Thanks, Chris. Aijun Wang writes: Hi, Christian: Supports for the adoption of two drafts at the same time, in which one(draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02) focuses on the centralized mode and the other(draft-cc-lsr-flooding-reduction-01) focuses on the distributed mode. The centralized mode for is one straightforward way to realize the flooding reduction, and I admire Tony Li give his solution first. But from the consideration of solution robustness, the distributed mode may be more promising. My consideration for distributed mode is that it should not cover only the algorithm, more contents need to be standardized in future. Huaimo has one good start point for distributed mode, and he also gives abundant thoughts for the centralized mode that the current version of draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 has not covered yet. Proposal for the name of two drafts may be draft-ietf-lsr-flooding-reduction-centralized-mode and draft-ietf-lsr-flooding-reduction-distributed-mode. Best Regards. Aijun Wang Network R&D and Operation Support Department China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, China. -邮件原件- 发件人: Christian Hopps [mailto:cho...@chopps.org] 发送时间: 2019年2月11日 18:45 收件人: lsr@ietf.org 抄送: lsr-cha...@ietf.org; lsr-...@ietf.org; cho...@chopps.org 主题: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 + IPR poll. Hi Folks, We are starting a 2 week adoption call on draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02. The aim of this document is to describe the problem space and standardize a way to signal dynamic flooding information. It does not standardize any specific algorithm for flooding topology creation. Authors please respond indicating if you are aware of any IPR related to this work. We also have another draft (draft-cc-lsr-flooding-reduction-01) that started as a distributed flooding topology algorithm and morphed into that plus competing ideas on signaling of flooding topology information. The intent after adoption of draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 is two-fold. One, the WG can discuss adding any signaling ideas from this work to the adopted signaling draft (with proper attribution given as appropriate), and two, for the authors of draft-cc-lsr-flooding-reduction-01 to publish a new document without the signaling portion and instead focus on their flooding topology algorithm. This new focused document can be considered in parallel along with the other algorithm work that has been proposed. Flooding topology creation is seen as a hard problem for which we don't expect a one-size-fits-all solution. Taking the steps outlined above will help us move forward on the solutions. Thanks, Chris & Acee. LSR WG Chairs. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr
Re: [Lsr] 答复: WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 + IPR poll.
Support the adoption on these two drafts. Yangang -Original Message- From: Lsr [mailto:lsr-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lizhenbin Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 2:21 PM To: 'Christian Hopps' ; lsr@ietf.org Cc: lsr-cha...@ietf.org; lsr-...@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] 答复: WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 + IPR poll. Hi Chris & Acee, I have explained my concerns the previous mails. In order to avoid unnecessary overlap, I supports the adoption of the drafts like follows: - both drafts are adopted at the same time keeping draft-li-dynamic-flooding focus on the centralized solution and draft-cc-lsr-flooding-reduction on the distributed solution. - draft-li-dynamic-flooding can keep on refining the centralized solution without mentioning distributed solutions. - draft-cc-lsr-flooding-reduction can keep on refining the distributed solutions. For the signaling which can be shared by the two modes, the draft can indicate the distributed solutions reuse the signaling defined in draft-li-dynamic-flooding without defining new signaling. - both drafts change the draft names to reflect different solutions without causing confusion. Thanks & Regards, Zhenbin (Robin) -邮件原件- 发件人: Christian Hopps [mailto:cho...@chopps.org] 发送时间: 2019年2月11日 18:45 收件人: lsr@ietf.org 抄送: lsr-cha...@ietf.org; lsr-...@ietf.org; cho...@chopps.org 主题: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 + IPR poll. Hi Folks, We are starting a 2 week adoption call on draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02. The aim of this document is to describe the problem space and standardize a way to signal dynamic flooding information. It does not standardize any specific algorithm for flooding topology creation. Authors please respond indicating if you are aware of any IPR related to this work. We also have another draft (draft-cc-lsr-flooding-reduction-01) that started as a distributed flooding topology algorithm and morphed into that plus competing ideas on signaling of flooding topology information. The intent after adoption of draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 is two-fold. One, the WG can discuss adding any signaling ideas from this work to the adopted signaling draft (with proper attribution given as appropriate), and two, for the authors of draft-cc-lsr-flooding-reduction-01 to publish a new document without the signaling portion and instead focus on their flooding topology algorithm. This new focused document can be considered in parallel along with the other algorithm work that has been proposed. Flooding topology creation is seen as a hard problem for which we don't expect a one-size-fits-all solution. Taking the steps outlined above will help us move forward on the solutions. Thanks, Chris & Acee. LSR WG Chairs. ___ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr ___ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr ___ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr
Re: [Lsr] 答复: WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 + IPR poll.
Supports for the adoption of two drafts at the same time, IGP Reduce Flooding still have some problem needs to be solved, for example, how to ensure the reliability of Flooding in a multi-point failure scenario. The way to solve these problems in a distributed and centralized manner may be different. Therefore, it is recommended to promote separately and continue to conduct research in their respective directions. Ths Zhibo -Original Message- From: Lsr [mailto:lsr-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Aijun Wang Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 10:38 AM To: 'Christian Hopps' ; lsr@ietf.org Cc: lsr-cha...@ietf.org; lsr-...@ietf.org Subject: [Lsr] 答复: WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 + IPR poll. Hi, Christian: Supports for the adoption of two drafts at the same time, in which one(draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02) focuses on the centralized mode and the other(draft-cc-lsr-flooding-reduction-01) focuses on the distributed mode. The centralized mode for is one straightforward way to realize the flooding reduction, and I admire Tony Li give his solution first. But from the consideration of solution robustness, the distributed mode may be more promising. My consideration for distributed mode is that it should not cover only the algorithm, more contents need to be standardized in future. Huaimo has one good start point for distributed mode, and he also gives abundant thoughts for the centralized mode that the current version of draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 has not covered yet. Proposal for the name of two drafts may be draft-ietf-lsr-flooding-reduction-centralized-mode and draft-ietf-lsr-flooding-reduction-distributed-mode. Best Regards. Aijun Wang Network R&D and Operation Support Department China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, China. -邮件原件- 发件人: Christian Hopps [mailto:cho...@chopps.org] 发送时间: 2019年2月11日 18:45 收件人: lsr@ietf.org 抄送: lsr-cha...@ietf.org; lsr-...@ietf.org; cho...@chopps.org 主题: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 + IPR poll. Hi Folks, We are starting a 2 week adoption call on draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02. The aim of this document is to describe the problem space and standardize a way to signal dynamic flooding information. It does not standardize any specific algorithm for flooding topology creation. Authors please respond indicating if you are aware of any IPR related to this work. We also have another draft (draft-cc-lsr-flooding-reduction-01) that started as a distributed flooding topology algorithm and morphed into that plus competing ideas on signaling of flooding topology information. The intent after adoption of draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 is two-fold. One, the WG can discuss adding any signaling ideas from this work to the adopted signaling draft (with proper attribution given as appropriate), and two, for the authors of draft-cc-lsr-flooding-reduction-01 to publish a new document without the signaling portion and instead focus on their flooding topology algorithm. This new focused document can be considered in parallel along with the other algorithm work that has been proposed. Flooding topology creation is seen as a hard problem for which we don't expect a one-size-fits-all solution. Taking the steps outlined above will help us move forward on the solutions. Thanks, Chris & Acee. LSR WG Chairs. ___ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr ___ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr
Re: [Lsr] 答复: WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 + IPR poll.
Supports for the adoption of two drafts at the same time +1 BR, Yunan -Original Message- From: Lsr [mailto:lsr-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Aijun Wang Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 10:38 AM To: 'Christian Hopps' ; lsr@ietf.org Cc: lsr-cha...@ietf.org; lsr-...@ietf.org Subject: [Lsr] 答复: WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 + IPR poll. Hi, Christian: Supports for the adoption of two drafts at the same time, in which one(draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02) focuses on the centralized mode and the other(draft-cc-lsr-flooding-reduction-01) focuses on the distributed mode. The centralized mode for is one straightforward way to realize the flooding reduction, and I admire Tony Li give his solution first. But from the consideration of solution robustness, the distributed mode may be more promising. My consideration for distributed mode is that it should not cover only the algorithm, more contents need to be standardized in future. Huaimo has one good start point for distributed mode, and he also gives abundant thoughts for the centralized mode that the current version of draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 has not covered yet. Proposal for the name of two drafts may be draft-ietf-lsr-flooding-reduction-centralized-mode and draft-ietf-lsr-flooding-reduction-distributed-mode. Best Regards. Aijun Wang Network R&D and Operation Support Department China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, China. -邮件原件- 发件人: Christian Hopps [mailto:cho...@chopps.org] 发送时间: 2019年2月11日 18:45 收件人: lsr@ietf.org 抄送: lsr-cha...@ietf.org; lsr-...@ietf.org; cho...@chopps.org 主题: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 + IPR poll. Hi Folks, We are starting a 2 week adoption call on draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02. The aim of this document is to describe the problem space and standardize a way to signal dynamic flooding information. It does not standardize any specific algorithm for flooding topology creation. Authors please respond indicating if you are aware of any IPR related to this work. We also have another draft (draft-cc-lsr-flooding-reduction-01) that started as a distributed flooding topology algorithm and morphed into that plus competing ideas on signaling of flooding topology information. The intent after adoption of draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 is two-fold. One, the WG can discuss adding any signaling ideas from this work to the adopted signaling draft (with proper attribution given as appropriate), and two, for the authors of draft-cc-lsr-flooding-reduction-01 to publish a new document without the signaling portion and instead focus on their flooding topology algorithm. This new focused document can be considered in parallel along with the other algorithm work that has been proposed. Flooding topology creation is seen as a hard problem for which we don't expect a one-size-fits-all solution. Taking the steps outlined above will help us move forward on the solutions. Thanks, Chris & Acee. LSR WG Chairs. ___ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr ___ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr
Re: [Lsr] 答复: WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 + IPR poll.
Hi Chris & Acee, I have explained my concerns the previous mails. In order to avoid unnecessary overlap, I supports the adoption of the drafts like follows: - both drafts are adopted at the same time keeping draft-li-dynamic-flooding focus on the centralized solution and draft-cc-lsr-flooding-reduction on the distributed solution. - draft-li-dynamic-flooding can keep on refining the centralized solution without mentioning distributed solutions. - draft-cc-lsr-flooding-reduction can keep on refining the distributed solutions. For the signaling which can be shared by the two modes, the draft can indicate the distributed solutions reuse the signaling defined in draft-li-dynamic-flooding without defining new signaling. - both drafts change the draft names to reflect different solutions without causing confusion. Thanks & Regards, Zhenbin (Robin) -邮件原件- 发件人: Christian Hopps [mailto:cho...@chopps.org] 发送时间: 2019年2月11日 18:45 收件人: lsr@ietf.org 抄送: lsr-cha...@ietf.org; lsr-...@ietf.org; cho...@chopps.org 主题: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 + IPR poll. Hi Folks, We are starting a 2 week adoption call on draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02. The aim of this document is to describe the problem space and standardize a way to signal dynamic flooding information. It does not standardize any specific algorithm for flooding topology creation. Authors please respond indicating if you are aware of any IPR related to this work. We also have another draft (draft-cc-lsr-flooding-reduction-01) that started as a distributed flooding topology algorithm and morphed into that plus competing ideas on signaling of flooding topology information. The intent after adoption of draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 is two-fold. One, the WG can discuss adding any signaling ideas from this work to the adopted signaling draft (with proper attribution given as appropriate), and two, for the authors of draft-cc-lsr-flooding-reduction-01 to publish a new document without the signaling portion and instead focus on their flooding topology algorithm. This new focused document can be considered in parallel along with the other algorithm work that has been proposed. Flooding topology creation is seen as a hard problem for which we don't expect a one-size-fits-all solution. Taking the steps outlined above will help us move forward on the solutions. Thanks, Chris & Acee. LSR WG Chairs. ___ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr ___ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr
[Lsr] 答复: WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 + IPR poll.
Hi, Christian: Supports for the adoption of two drafts at the same time, in which one(draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02) focuses on the centralized mode and the other(draft-cc-lsr-flooding-reduction-01) focuses on the distributed mode. The centralized mode for is one straightforward way to realize the flooding reduction, and I admire Tony Li give his solution first. But from the consideration of solution robustness, the distributed mode may be more promising. My consideration for distributed mode is that it should not cover only the algorithm, more contents need to be standardized in future. Huaimo has one good start point for distributed mode, and he also gives abundant thoughts for the centralized mode that the current version of draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 has not covered yet. Proposal for the name of two drafts may be draft-ietf-lsr-flooding-reduction-centralized-mode and draft-ietf-lsr-flooding-reduction-distributed-mode. Best Regards. Aijun Wang Network R&D and Operation Support Department China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, China. -邮件原件- 发件人: Christian Hopps [mailto:cho...@chopps.org] 发送时间: 2019年2月11日 18:45 收件人: lsr@ietf.org 抄送: lsr-cha...@ietf.org; lsr-...@ietf.org; cho...@chopps.org 主题: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 + IPR poll. Hi Folks, We are starting a 2 week adoption call on draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02. The aim of this document is to describe the problem space and standardize a way to signal dynamic flooding information. It does not standardize any specific algorithm for flooding topology creation. Authors please respond indicating if you are aware of any IPR related to this work. We also have another draft (draft-cc-lsr-flooding-reduction-01) that started as a distributed flooding topology algorithm and morphed into that plus competing ideas on signaling of flooding topology information. The intent after adoption of draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 is two-fold. One, the WG can discuss adding any signaling ideas from this work to the adopted signaling draft (with proper attribution given as appropriate), and two, for the authors of draft-cc-lsr-flooding-reduction-01 to publish a new document without the signaling portion and instead focus on their flooding topology algorithm. This new focused document can be considered in parallel along with the other algorithm work that has been proposed. Flooding topology creation is seen as a hard problem for which we don't expect a one-size-fits-all solution. Taking the steps outlined above will help us move forward on the solutions. Thanks, Chris & Acee. LSR WG Chairs. ___ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr
[Lsr] 答复: WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 + IPR poll.
Hi Chris, 1. I have doubt about "The aim of this document is to describe the problem space and standardize a way to signal dynamic flooding information.". Does the aim mean the draft describes the problem space and standardize the way for the centralized solution or mean the draft will standardize the way used for both the centralized solutions and the distributed solutions? 2. I explained in the previous mail the distributed solution includes more than the algorithms defined in the draft-cc-lsr-flooding-reduction-00 and the overlapped signallings defined in the draft-cc-lsr-flooding-reduction-00/draft-li-dynamic-flooding-03. For example, it may define the standardized procedures for the distributed solutions. If there is such part, is it defined by draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 or draft-cc-lsr-flooding-reduction? I hope you could clarify the above issues firstly for the adoption. Thanks & Regards, Zhenbin (Robin) 发件人: Lsr [lsr-boun...@ietf.org] 代表 Christian Hopps [cho...@chopps.org] 发送时间: 2019年2月11日 18:44 收件人: lsr@ietf.org 抄送: lsr-cha...@ietf.org; lsr-...@ietf.org; cho...@chopps.org 主题: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 + IPR poll. Hi Folks, We are starting a 2 week adoption call on draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02. The aim of this document is to describe the problem space and standardize a way to signal dynamic flooding information. It does not standardize any specific algorithm for flooding topology creation. Authors please respond indicating if you are aware of any IPR related to this work. We also have another draft (draft-cc-lsr-flooding-reduction-01) that started as a distributed flooding topology algorithm and morphed into that plus competing ideas on signaling of flooding topology information. The intent after adoption of draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 is two-fold. One, the WG can discuss adding any signaling ideas from this work to the adopted signaling draft (with proper attribution given as appropriate), and two, for the authors of draft-cc-lsr-flooding-reduction-01 to publish a new document without the signaling portion and instead focus on their flooding topology algorithm. This new focused document can be considered in parallel along with the other algorithm work that has been proposed. Flooding topology creation is seen as a hard problem for which we don't expect a one-size-fits-all solution. Taking the steps outlined above will help us move forward on the solutions. Thanks, Chris & Acee. LSR WG Chairs. ___ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr
