Re: [Lsr] Adoption Question Stub-Link vs RFC5316

2022-02-18 Thread Aijun Wang
ether to adopt The Stub-Link draft. > That seems to me to be the most appropriate way forward. > > Good luck!! > > Les > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Christian Hopps >> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 4:45 PM >> To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) >&g

Re: [Lsr] Adoption Question Stub-Link vs RFC5316

2022-02-18 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
. Good luck!! Les > -Original Message- > From: Christian Hopps > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 4:45 PM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Cc: Christian Hopps ; Peter Psenak > ; lsr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Lsr] Adoption Question Stub-Link vs RFC5316 > >

Re: [Lsr] Adoption Question Stub-Link vs RFC5316

2022-02-18 Thread Christian Hopps
"Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" writes: Chris - [... trimmed out the restated points ...] I also strongly object to your statement below: " I've asked for cases that this draft would break things, not whether it has warts or not." This suggests (intentionally or not) that so long as a draft

Re: [Lsr] Adoption Question Stub-Link vs RFC5316

2022-02-18 Thread John E Drake
2022 4:59 PM To: Christian Hopps ; Peter Psenak Cc: lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] Adoption Question Stub-Link vs RFC5316 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Chris - My objections to this draft are similar to Peter's - the use of a prefix to identify a link is flawed - does not work in

Re: [Lsr] Adoption Question Stub-Link vs RFC5316

2022-02-18 Thread Aijun Wang
doesn't break >> anything >> it is OK to consider it for adoption. I hope we have a higher bar than that. >> >> In summary, this draft is at best redundant with RFC 5316 and introduces the >> use >> of a flawed construct in doing so. >> This should NOT be

Re: [Lsr] Adoption Question Stub-Link vs RFC5316

2022-02-18 Thread Aijun Wang
f Of Christian Hopps >> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 5:48 AM >> To: Peter Psenak >> Cc: lsr@ietf.org; Christian Hopps >> Subject: Re: [Lsr] Adoption Question Stub-Link vs RFC5316 >> >> [resent with correct CC's] >> >> Peter Psenak writes:

Re: [Lsr] Adoption Question Stub-Link vs RFC5316

2022-02-18 Thread John E Drake
ginsberg) > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 4:59 PM > To: Christian Hopps ; Peter Psenak > > Cc: lsr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Lsr] Adoption Question Stub-Link vs RFC5316 > > [External Email. Be cautious of content] > > > Chris - > > My objections to thi

Re: [Lsr] Adoption Question Stub-Link vs RFC5316

2022-02-18 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
ak > Cc: lsr@ietf.org; Christian Hopps > Subject: Re: [Lsr] Adoption Question Stub-Link vs RFC5316 > > [resent with correct CC's] > > Peter Psenak writes: > > > Chris, > > > > I looked at ver-3. > > > > It defines a new top-level TLV, that a

Re: [Lsr] Adoption Question Stub-Link vs RFC5316

2022-02-18 Thread Christian Hopps
[resent with correct CC's] Peter Psenak writes: Chris, I looked at ver-3. It defines a new top-level TLV, that advertises prefix and supports all existing sub-TLVs defined for link advertisement ("IS-IS Sub-TLVs for TLVs Advertising Neighbor Information"). And why? Because authors want to

Re: [Lsr] Adoption Question Stub-Link vs RFC5316

2022-02-18 Thread Christian Hopps
Robert Raszuk writes:   I didn't see any client/app data in this proposal.. There are other drafts out there that seem to be talking about that, which I also don't like (as wg member ) The way I look at them and seeing authors referencing directly those drafts is that this

Re: [Lsr] Adoption Question Stub-Link vs RFC5316

2022-02-18 Thread Peter Psenak
Chris, I looked at ver-3. It defines a new top-level TLV, that advertises prefix and supports all existing sub-TLVs defined for link advertisement ("IS-IS Sub-TLVs for TLVs Advertising Neighbor Information"). And why? Because authors want to use common subnet to identify two endpoints of

Re: [Lsr] Adoption Question Stub-Link vs RFC5316

2022-02-18 Thread Christian Hopps
Robert Raszuk writes: Hi Chris, Tony Li (at least) seemed to think that it was useful to be able to attach TE attributes to a link, not just to prefixes. Perhaps I've missed this in the thread but what current mechanism (rfc?) are you referring to, to identify a link and

Re: [Lsr] Adoption Question Stub-Link vs RFC5316

2022-02-18 Thread Robert Raszuk
Hi Chris, Tony Li (at least) seemed to think that it was useful to be able to attach > TE attributes to a link, not just to prefixes. Perhaps I've missed this in > the thread but what current mechanism (rfc?) are you referring to, to > identify a link and attach TE attributes to it? I have two

Re: [Lsr] Adoption Question Stub-Link vs RFC5316

2022-02-18 Thread Christian Hopps
Peter Psenak writes: Chris, the draft attempt to use the local subnet information for identifying two endpoints of the same link. That seems wrong in itself. In addition: The -03 revision uses other methods to identify an inter-AS link (the same that are used in RFC5316 if I'm not

Re: [Lsr] Adoption Question Stub-Link vs RFC5316

2022-02-18 Thread Aijun Wang
/datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-dunbar-lsr-5g-edge-compute-03 >> >> >> Best Regards >> >> Aijun Wang >> China Telecom >> >> -Original Message- >> From: lsr-boun...@ietf.org On Behalf Of Peter Psenak >> Sent: Friday, Februar

Re: [Lsr] Adoption Question Stub-Link vs RFC5316

2022-02-18 Thread Robert Raszuk
ietf.org On Behalf Of Peter > Psenak > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 3:52 PM > To: Christian Hopps ; lsr > Subject: Re: [Lsr] Adoption Question Stub-Link vs RFC5316 > > Chris, > > the draft attempt to use the local subnet information for identifying two > endpoin

Re: [Lsr] Adoption Question Stub-Link vs RFC5316

2022-02-18 Thread Aijun Wang
: Re: [Lsr] Adoption Question Stub-Link vs RFC5316 Chris, the draft attempt to use the local subnet information for identifying two endpoints of the same link. That seems wrong in itself. In addition: 1) We have link local/remote IDs (and IP addresses) to pair the two endpoints of the link in both OSPF an

Re: [Lsr] Adoption Question Stub-Link vs RFC5316

2022-02-17 Thread Peter Psenak
Chris, the draft attempt to use the local subnet information for identifying two endpoints of the same link. That seems wrong in itself. In addition: 1) We have link local/remote IDs (and IP addresses) to pair the two endpoints of the link in both OSPF and ISIS. We do not need another

[Lsr] Adoption Question Stub-Link vs RFC5316

2022-02-17 Thread Christian Hopps
[As WG Chair] Hi LSR-WG, As my co-chair has joined the draft as a co-author making the call on whether we have rough consensus to adopt draft-wang-lsr-stub-link-attributes-02 now falls to me alone. I've reread the numerous emails on this adoption call and I see some support, and a few