Re: [Lsr] IETF13: Comments on The Application Specific Link Attribute (ASLA) Any Application Bit

2022-04-14 Thread Gyan Mishra
ednesday, April 13, 2022 1:54 PM > *To:* Christian Hopps > *Cc:* Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Martin Horneffer < > m...@lab.dtag.de>; Robert Raszuk ; Shraddha Hegde < > shrad...@juniper.net>; lsr > *Subject:* Re: [Lsr] IETF13: Comments on The Application Specific Link > Att

Re: [Lsr] IETF13: Comments on The Application Specific Link Attribute (ASLA) Any Application Bit

2022-04-14 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
13, 2022 1:54 PM To: Christian Hopps Cc: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Martin Horneffer ; Robert Raszuk ; Shraddha Hegde ; lsr Subject: Re: [Lsr] IETF13: Comments on The Application Specific Link Attribute (ASLA) Any Application Bit All I support Shraddha’s Any bit draft as I think of the change

Re: [Lsr] IETF13: Comments on The Application Specific Link Attribute (ASLA) Any Application Bit

2022-04-13 Thread Gyan Mishra
All I support Shraddha’s Any bit draft as I think of the change as am optimization of existing ASLA RFC 8918 and 8919 taking into account practical deployment considerations when the application specific attribute differs and having to set the SABM / UDABM bit mask on every link on the network.

Re: [Lsr] IETF13: Comments on The Application Specific Link Attribute (ASLA) Any Application Bit

2022-04-08 Thread Christian Hopps
Robert Raszuk writes: Hi Chris, It seems that there is a subtle but important element on which we may have different opinion.  You said: "has to deploy new software that contains the new Wizbang feature, right?" IMO however we are dealing with case where software already supports all

Re: [Lsr] IETF13: Comments on The Application Specific Link Attribute (ASLA) Any Application Bit

2022-03-26 Thread Robert Raszuk
Hi Chris, It seems that there is a subtle but important element on which we may have different opinion. You said: "has to deploy new software that contains the new Wizbang feature, right?" IMO however we are dealing with case where software already supports all required functions on a box. It

Re: [Lsr] IETF13: Comments on The Application Specific Link Attribute (ASLA) Any Application Bit

2022-03-25 Thread Christian Hopps
Robert Raszuk writes: Les, I don't think this is noise.  Your examples are missing key operational consideration .. Link attribute applicable to ANY application may be advertised well ahead of enabling such application in a network.  So requesting operator to always advertise tuple of app 

Re: [Lsr] IETF13: Comments on The Application Specific Link Attribute (ASLA) Any Application Bit

2022-03-25 Thread Robert Raszuk
> *Sent:* Friday, March 25, 2022 5:06 AM > *To:* Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > *Cc:* Shraddha Hegde ; Martin Horneffer < > m...@lab.dtag.de>; lsr@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Lsr] IETF13: Comments on The Application Specific Link > Attribute (ASLA) Any Application Bit > > >

Re: [Lsr] IETF13: Comments on The Application Specific Link Attribute (ASLA) Any Application Bit

2022-03-25 Thread Robert Raszuk
-topic with your post. > > > > Les > > > > > > *From:* Robert Raszuk > *Sent:* Friday, March 25, 2022 4:41 AM > *To:* Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > *Cc:* Shraddha Hegde ; Martin Horneffer < > m...@lab.dtag.de>; lsr@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Ls

Re: [Lsr] IETF13: Comments on The Application Specific Link Attribute (ASLA) Any Application Bit

2022-03-25 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
to be said. Les From: Robert Raszuk Sent: Friday, March 25, 2022 4:53 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: Shraddha Hegde ; Martin Horneffer ; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] IETF13: Comments on The Application Specific Link Attribute (ASLA) Any Application Bit I am afraid not .. I am

Re: [Lsr] IETF13: Comments on The Application Specific Link Attribute (ASLA) Any Application Bit

2022-03-25 Thread Robert Raszuk
are off-topic with your post. > > > >Les > > > > > > *From:* Robert Raszuk > *Sent:* Friday, March 25, 2022 4:41 AM > *To:* Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > *Cc:* Shraddha Hegde ; Martin Horneffer < > m...@lab.dtag.de>; lsr@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re

Re: [Lsr] IETF13: Comments on The Application Specific Link Attribute (ASLA) Any Application Bit

2022-03-25 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
, March 25, 2022 4:41 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: Shraddha Hegde ; Martin Horneffer ; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] IETF13: Comments on The Application Specific Link Attribute (ASLA) Any Application Bit Hi Les, Let me clarify if I read you correctly ... Are you saying that because quoted

Re: [Lsr] IETF13: Comments on The Application Specific Link Attribute (ASLA) Any Application Bit

2022-03-25 Thread Robert Raszuk
gt; fixed additional one byte > > for all vs any ,which is negligible whereas the benefits demonstrated > for any > > can be more if > > more attributes fall in the same category. > > > > Rgds > > Shraddha > > > > > > > > Juniper Business Use Only

Re: [Lsr] IETF13: Comments on The Application Specific Link Attribute (ASLA) Any Application Bit

2022-03-25 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
rg (ginsberg) ; Martin > Horneffer ; lsr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Lsr] IETF13: Comments on The Application Specific Link Attribute > (ASLA) Any Application Bit > > > I believe we still have an opportunity to simplify ASLA as it is not that > widely > deployed. > The inter-op

Re: [Lsr] IETF13: Comments on The Application Specific Link Attribute (ASLA) Any Application Bit

2022-03-25 Thread Shraddha Hegde
Subject: Re: [Lsr] IETF13: Comments on The Application Specific Link Attribute (ASLA) Any Application Bit [External Email. Be cautious of content] Martin - I hear you. The reality is that ASLA need not be that complex. In many deployments life is simple. There are a small number of applications

Re: [Lsr] IETF13: Comments on The Application Specific Link Attribute (ASLA) Any Application Bit

2022-03-24 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
which applications are using the advertised link attribute values. Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of Martin Horneffer > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 8:18 AM > To: lsr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Lsr] IETF13: Comments on The Application Specific Link A

Re: [Lsr] IETF13: Comments on The Application Specific Link Attribute (ASLA) Any Application Bit

2022-03-24 Thread Martin Horneffer
Dear WG, as we just had this discussion and acoustics in the room didn't appear to be good I was asked to post my comment to the list: Not a comment on the idea of the ANy Application bit per se, nor on Les' discussion. Rather a ceterum censeo on ASLA in general: In my opinion this

[Lsr] IETF13: Comments on The Application Specific Link Attribute (ASLA) Any Application Bit

2022-03-23 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Folks - Now that the slides have been posted for this presentation, I am going to send some early comments. I do this because - as usual - the agenda for the meeting is packed and it is likely there will be little time for discussion during the meeting. Also my comments are lengthy, it