Re: [Ltsp-discuss] how to mount external hard drives? + log problem? - LTSP 5 on Ubuntu 8.04
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 02:05:50PM -0500, Scott Balneaves wrote: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 12:21:55PM -0400, Dan Maranville wrote: Gotta love it that Long Term Support. Trust me it will not be the last time you curse it. /rant I'm really unsure as to why Ubuntu gets all this hate directed against them because they don't backport new features from more current releases into older ones. As far as I know, LTSP current isn't being backported into either Fedora 3 or Debian Sarge. That's not a really fair comparison, since Ubuntu 8.04 is still a current release. Fedora 3 and Sarge are not. There are active LTSP backports for Debian Lenny (the current stable release -- analagous to Ubuntu LTS). In Debian I can pretty easily run the stable release and install select packages from testing or unstable. For packages with a lot of dependencies, it might not be easy, but I've had pretty good success with commands like: apt-get install openoffice.org/testing or apt-get install -t testing openoffice.org (both do slightly different things). I've yet to try this with LTSP packages, I must admit. Can this be done in Ubuntu? I don't currently have any Ubuntu machines that I'm willing to experiment on. -Rob -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] how to mount external hard drives? + log problem? - LTSP 5 on Ubuntu 8.04
Works just fine with Jaunty. Unfortunately no backports - yeah means
certainly a lot of work.
2009/4/24 Peter Stein peterstei...@googlemail.com:
Ok, I added the line as suggest to reenable the non-removable device
support. It doesn't really matter for us if users can access the thin
clients' HD. However, I was not able to access the external hard
drive.
I tried on the workstation: ltspfsmounter /tmp add and got a drive
mounted in /media/tmp just as it is supposed to be. Unfortunately it
was the thin client's memory and not the external drive.
ltspfs thinclient:/dev/sdb1 /media/tmp /mountpoint gave me nothing but
a mess. After prompting the command I can not even determine the
folder's permissions. Is there any way I can mount a specific device
that is connected to the thin client. I think that would be a
solution. Even if auto mount didn't work I wouldn't really mind. I
could not find any hint in the man pages or the scripts.
Maybe I do it all wrong. Thanks again for your help.
Peter
2009/4/22 Vagrant Cascadian vagr...@freegeek.org:
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 04:44:41PM +0200, Peter Stein wrote:
my LTSP 5 gets better, but still needs some kind of attention. This
time: External hard drives. Currently I use LTSP 5 on a Ubuntu 8.04
(hardy for the thin client's OS, but Debian Etch for the
workstations). We have auto mount for USB flash drives. That works
impeccably. But I could not figure out a way to mount real external
hard drives via ltspfsmounter or any other way (manually).
external USB hard disks may not be considered removeable by udev, even though
USB is clearly removeable (i think the same is true for firewire). many of
the
recent changes to ltspfs were done to address this issue.
i'm not sure if this applies to your Ubuntu 8.04 LTSP chroot, but NEWS.Debian
in Debian contains:
ltspfs (0.5.0~) unstable; urgency=low
* automatic mounting of non-removable devices is now disabled by default
to enable, in /etc/udev/rules.d/*ltspfsd.rules, remove ATTRS{removable}==1
from the appropriate lines. see http://bugs.debian.org/432024 for more
information.
-- Vagrant Cascadian vagr...@freegeek.org Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:19:04 -0800
although in recent versions, we actually switched to LOCALDEV_DENY in
lts.conf
(hmm... i'd better update the NEWS.Debian file...)
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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] how to mount external hard drives? + log problem? - LTSP 5 on Ubuntu 8.04
Gotta love it that Long Term Support. Trust me it will not be the last time you curse it. /rant On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 03:23, Peter Stein peterstei...@googlemail.com wrote: Works just fine with Jaunty. Unfortunately no backports - yeah means certainly a lot of work. -- Dan Maranville -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] how to mount external hard drives? + log problem? - LTSP 5 on Ubuntu 8.04
http://laserjock.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/sru-needs-you/ =) Dan Maranville wrote: Gotta love it that Long Term Support. Trust me it will not be the last time you curse it. /rant On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 03:23, Peter Stein peterstei...@googlemail.com wrote: Works just fine with Jaunty. Unfortunately no backports - yeah means certainly a lot of work. -- Dan Maranville -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] how to mount external hard drives? + log problem? - LTSP 5 on Ubuntu 8.04
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 12:21:55PM -0400, Dan Maranville wrote: Gotta love it that Long Term Support. Trust me it will not be the last time you curse it. /rant I'm really unsure as to why Ubuntu gets all this hate directed against them because they don't backport new features from more current releases into older ones. As far as I know, LTSP current isn't being backported into either Fedora 3 or Debian Sarge. LTS means they fix the security and crasher bugs for an extended period of time. Period. Scott -- Scott L. Balneaves | Perilous to all of us are the devices of an art Systems Department | deeper than we ourselves possess. Legal Aid Manitoba | -- Gandalf [J.R.R. Tolkien, Lord of the Rings] -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] how to mount external hard drives? + log problem? - LTSP 5 on Ubuntu 8.04
I'm really unsure as to why Ubuntu gets all this hate directed against them because they don't backport new features from more current releases into older ones. As far as I know, LTSP current isn't being backported into either Fedora 3 or Debian Sarge. LTS means they fix the security and crasher bugs for an extended period of time. Period. Scott It is because they recommend you install the latest non-lts to see if your problems are fixed. Period. -- Dan Maranville -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] how to mount external hard drives? + log problem? - LTSP 5 on Ubuntu 8.04
...Or, as an alternative to installing the latest greatest, you could actually help backport these features into LTS. Community success requires community involvement. Period. Cheers, Jordan/Lns Dan Maranville wrote: I'm really unsure as to why Ubuntu gets all this hate directed against them because they don't backport new features from more current releases into older ones. As far as I know, LTSP current isn't being backported into either Fedora 3 or Debian Sarge. LTS means they fix the security and crasher bugs for an extended period of time. Period. Scott It is because they recommend you install the latest non-lts to see if your problems are fixed. Period. -- Jordan Erickson Owner, Logical Networking Solutions http://www.logicalnetworking.net 707-636-5678 Latest LNS Blogs - http://blog.logicalnetworking.net Closed-Circuit TV Ads May Be Watching You Back Using Linux considered criminal activity? Leaving computers on overnight = $2.8 billion a year -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] how to mount external hard drives? + log problem? - LTSP 5 on Ubuntu 8.04
I am going to leave it with this: I didn't speak of LTSP in any negative way, I was simply making a statement about _MY_ experiences with the current LTS (bugs in this instance). Some are related to LTSP but not always, most are problems known about for greater than 1 year in mainline Ubuntu. If my comment about LTS releases offends you or pisses you off I don't know what to say. But, I am not sorry for saying it. If you want to continue this please feel free to email me directly and keep the list a little cleaner. -- Dan Maranville -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] how to mount external hard drives? + log problem? - LTSP 5 on Ubuntu 8.04
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 05:22:22PM -0400, Dan Maranville wrote: It is because they recommend you install the latest non-lts to see if your problems are fixed. Period. Well, that's a valid request to see if the issues been fixed in newer versions. Either: 1) It DOES work in newer versions, and there's the possibility of someone backporting the fix if time/resources permit, or 2) It DOESN'T work in the new release, and then we know it's just a general problem. Scott -- Scott L. Balneaves | The human race has one really effective weapon, Systems Department | and that is laughter. Legal Aid Manitoba | -- Mark Twain -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] how to mount external hard drives? + log problem? - LTSP 5 on Ubuntu 8.04
Ok, I added the line as suggest to reenable the non-removable device
support. It doesn't really matter for us if users can access the thin
clients' HD. However, I was not able to access the external hard
drive.
I tried on the workstation: ltspfsmounter /tmp add and got a drive
mounted in /media/tmp just as it is supposed to be. Unfortunately it
was the thin client's memory and not the external drive.
ltspfs thinclient:/dev/sdb1 /media/tmp /mountpoint gave me nothing but
a mess. After prompting the command I can not even determine the
folder's permissions. Is there any way I can mount a specific device
that is connected to the thin client. I think that would be a
solution. Even if auto mount didn't work I wouldn't really mind. I
could not find any hint in the man pages or the scripts.
Maybe I do it all wrong. Thanks again for your help.
Peter
2009/4/22 Vagrant Cascadian vagr...@freegeek.org:
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 04:44:41PM +0200, Peter Stein wrote:
my LTSP 5 gets better, but still needs some kind of attention. This
time: External hard drives. Currently I use LTSP 5 on a Ubuntu 8.04
(hardy for the thin client's OS, but Debian Etch for the
workstations). We have auto mount for USB flash drives. That works
impeccably. But I could not figure out a way to mount real external
hard drives via ltspfsmounter or any other way (manually).
external USB hard disks may not be considered removeable by udev, even though
USB is clearly removeable (i think the same is true for firewire). many of the
recent changes to ltspfs were done to address this issue.
i'm not sure if this applies to your Ubuntu 8.04 LTSP chroot, but NEWS.Debian
in Debian contains:
ltspfs (0.5.0~) unstable; urgency=low
* automatic mounting of non-removable devices is now disabled by default
to enable, in /etc/udev/rules.d/*ltspfsd.rules, remove ATTRS{removable}==1
from the appropriate lines. see http://bugs.debian.org/432024 for more
information.
-- Vagrant Cascadian vagr...@freegeek.org Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:19:04 -0800
although in recent versions, we actually switched to LOCALDEV_DENY in lts.conf
(hmm... i'd better update the NEWS.Debian file...)
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[Ltsp-discuss] how to mount external hard drives? + log problem? - LTSP 5 on Ubuntu 8.04
Dear LTSP users, my LTSP 5 gets better, but still needs some kind of attention. This time: External hard drives. Currently I use LTSP 5 on a Ubuntu 8.04 (hardy for the thin client's OS, but Debian Etch for the workstations). We have auto mount for USB flash drives. That works impeccably. But I could not figure out a way to mount real external hard drives via ltspfsmounter or any other way (manually). Automount doesn't work. The kernel recognizes the hd just the same way as the flash drive. There is no difference I am aware of (I can see that on the thin client's console). However, the actions of ltspfsd is not logged. I can not see it on the client's console, it just works or doesn't. So: (1) How to mount external hard drives - anyone successful yet? (2) Why doesn't the thin client log any actions properly? Any help or hint is appreciated. Thank you very much. Peter -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] how to mount external hard drives? + log problem? - LTSP 5 on Ubuntu 8.04
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 04:44:41PM +0200, Peter Stein wrote:
my LTSP 5 gets better, but still needs some kind of attention. This
time: External hard drives. Currently I use LTSP 5 on a Ubuntu 8.04
(hardy for the thin client's OS, but Debian Etch for the
workstations). We have auto mount for USB flash drives. That works
impeccably. But I could not figure out a way to mount real external
hard drives via ltspfsmounter or any other way (manually).
external USB hard disks may not be considered removeable by udev, even though
USB is clearly removeable (i think the same is true for firewire). many of the
recent changes to ltspfs were done to address this issue.
i'm not sure if this applies to your Ubuntu 8.04 LTSP chroot, but NEWS.Debian
in Debian contains:
ltspfs (0.5.0~) unstable; urgency=low
* automatic mounting of non-removable devices is now disabled by default
to enable, in /etc/udev/rules.d/*ltspfsd.rules, remove ATTRS{removable}==1
from the appropriate lines. see http://bugs.debian.org/432024 for more
information.
-- Vagrant Cascadian vagr...@freegeek.org Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:19:04 -0800
although in recent versions, we actually switched to LOCALDEV_DENY in lts.conf
(hmm... i'd better update the NEWS.Debian file...)
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