Re: [LUAU] Wireless in Honolulu

2006-07-02 Thread Jim Thompson
Further to yesterday's (or Friday's, I forget which) discussion, are sites like Slashdot, Digg and reddit.com not-free? They're all ad-supported. Jim

Re: [LUAU] Wireless in Honolulu

2006-07-02 Thread Julian Yap
--- Maddog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Free meaning no pay. Free does not mean that it is subsidized by ads. My point in the last go around was that someone has to pay somewhere. Ad supported means that advertisers will pay up front and eventually they will have to see a return. If they do

[LUAU] Wireless in Honolulu

2006-07-01 Thread Maddog
: by 10.78.137.11 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 12:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 09:32:56 -1000 From: Matt Darnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LUAU luau@lists.hosef.org Subject: Re: [LUAU] Wireless in Honolulu In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain

Re: [LUAU] Wireless in Honolulu

2006-07-01 Thread Maddog
I sent it to you. If anyone else wants it send me an email and I will forward the release to you. MD - Original Message - From: Matt Darnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LUAU luau@lists.hosef.org Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [LUAU] Wireless in Honolulu On 7/1/06

Re: [LUAU] Wireless in Honolulu

2006-07-01 Thread Maddog
http://tinyurl.com/ql4yl - Original Message - From: Matt Darnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LUAU luau@lists.hosef.org Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [LUAU] Wireless in Honolulu On 7/1/06, Maddog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you guys see the press release this week from

Re: [LUAU] Wireless in Honolulu

2006-07-01 Thread Jim Thompson
Earthlink has already said that its only free for the first year. This doesn't mean that Google couldn't come in an subsidize some level of access, a la San Francisco. However, there is already free wireless in Waikiki. (via Shakanet), and out here at the Ko'olina the wireless (and

Re: [LUAU] Wireless in Honolulu

2006-07-01 Thread Maddog
From shakanet's website Usage can be purchased in daily, or monthly plans This doesn't sound too free to me. MD - Original Message - From: Jim Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LUAU luau@lists.hosef.org Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [LUAU] Wireless in Honolulu

Re: [LUAU] Wireless in Honolulu

2006-07-01 Thread Maddog
income stream? It seems to me they have Waikiki blanketed with for pay wireless already. MD - Original Message - From: Jim Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LUAU luau@lists.hosef.org Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [LUAU] Wireless in Honolulu Earthlink has already

Re: [LUAU] Wireless in Honolulu

2006-07-01 Thread Maddog
@lists.hosef.org Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [LUAU] Wireless in Honolulu Earthlink has already said that its only free for the first year.This doesn't mean that Google couldn't come in an subsidize some level of access, a la San Francisco. However, there is already

Re: [LUAU] Wireless in Honolulu

2006-07-01 Thread Julian Yap
--- Maddog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a business model. As long as the hotels are densly covering Waikiki this model is going to require shakanet or whoever else to determine where something was bought and to contribute a share to the hotels. I'd like to see truly free, not ad

Re: [LUAU] Wireless in Honolulu

2006-07-01 Thread Maddog
ad revenue this will be the proverbial brick wall they will need to hurdle. MD - Original Message - From: Julian Yap [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LUAU luau@lists.hosef.org Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [LUAU] Wireless in Honolulu --- Maddog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: [LUAU] Wireless in Honolulu

2006-07-01 Thread Maddog
oops, got the numbers backwards. Should %5.5 Million for Anaheim and $10 Million for Philly. MD - Original Message - From: Maddog [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LUAU luau@lists.hosef.org Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [LUAU] Wireless in Honolulu That was my point. I

Re: [LUAU] Wireless in Honolulu

2006-07-01 Thread Jim Thompson
is ready (points to self...) In my conversations with Nam, its the kiosks that are the core of their revenue. Jim MD - Original Message - From: Jim Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LUAU luau@lists.hosef.org Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [LUAU] Wireless in Honolulu

Re: [LUAU] Wireless in Honolulu

2006-07-01 Thread Jim Thompson
Julian, My take is that he's trying to be right at all costs. And lets all remember, 'maddog' said never. Jim On Jul 1, 2006, at 1:07 PM, Julian Yap wrote: --- Maddog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a business model. As long as the hotels are densly covering Waikiki this model is going to

Re: [LUAU] Wireless in Honolulu

2006-07-01 Thread Maddog
- Original Message - From: Jim Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LUAU luau@lists.hosef.org Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [LUAU] Wireless in Honolulu On Jul 1, 2006, at 12:16 PM, Maddog wrote: I stand corrected. Wireless Waikiki.org has a coverage map