Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-07 Thread cpaul
I always check signatures, by the way... Who gave you my public key? It shouldn't be on the keyservers... In the words of Dr. Strangelove: Yes, but the... whole point of the doomsday machine... is lost... if you keep it a secret! Why didn't you tell the world, eh? pgpb0oCuaLcQD.pgp

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-07 Thread MonMotha
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always check signatures, by the way... Who gave you my public key? It shouldn't be on the keyservers... In the words of Dr. Strangelove: Yes, but the... whole point of the doomsday machine... is lost... if you keep it a secret! Why didn't you tell the world,

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-07 Thread Dean Fujioka
On Friday 06 September 2002 11:33, MonMotha wrote: In theory it shouldn't show up as an attachment. I get an attachment with Kmail 3.02 dean

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-07 Thread Jimen Ching
On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Robert Green wrote: Perhaps the best idea would be to have a separate list centered around the Linux for Schools project, particularly for the non-geek types? If the people who joined LUAU for the LTSP complain, then yes. --jc -- Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-06 Thread Randall Oshita
--MonMotha P.S. Good to see another person who uses PGP :) I've been using it to sign my firewalls for a while, but just recently got around to setting up Enigmail to use it with mail. + Do you mean that attachment? (.dat file) What is it used for? I've seen

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-06 Thread Joe Linux
I believe the so called list policy should actually contain a mission statement in preference to a set of rules and regulations. R. Scott Belford wrote: The eventual Upcoming List Policy will not need to say much. No more than a few intellectual objectives you all have and the means by which

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-06 Thread Eric Hattemer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 2:08 AM Subject: RE: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy --MonMotha P.S. Good to see another person who uses PGP :) I've been using it to sign my firewalls for a while, but just recently got around to setting up Enigmail

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-06 Thread MonMotha
Randall Oshita wrote: --MonMotha P.S. Good to see another person who uses PGP :) I've been using it to sign my firewalls for a while, but just recently got around to setting up Enigmail to use it with mail. + Do you mean that attachment? (.dat file) What

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-06 Thread MonMotha
Joe Linux wrote: I believe the so called list policy should actually contain a mission statement in preference to a set of rules and regulations. Agreed. There shouldn't be any hard rules per se. Obviously don't go posting your cursing fit because your SO just dumped you to the list.

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-06 Thread Eric Hattemer
, but obviously I can't complain since I'm using windows to read a linux mailing list. -Eric Hattemer - Original Message - From: MonMotha [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy blank as far as OE is concerned :)

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-06 Thread Jim McQueeney
On 9/6/2002 11:20 Eric Hattemer wrote: The basic idea behind the gpg checksum in an email is that its a code that uniquely distinguishes mon motha. If you go into your mail client and set the from line to MonMotha and throw his email address in there, there's no other way to verify that its

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-06 Thread MonMotha
Jim McQueeney wrote: I always check signatures, by the way... Who gave you my public key? It shouldn't be on the keyservers... --MonMotha pgpPnLMkG8Ea0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-06 Thread Jim McQueeney
On 9/6/2002 12:29 MonMotha wrote: Jim McQueeney wrote: I always check signatures, by the way... Who gave you my public key? It shouldn't be on the keyservers... --MonMotha No one gave me your public key, and you're correct, it doesn't appear to be on the key servers. However,

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-06 Thread MonMotha
Jim McQueeney wrote: No one gave me your public key, and you're correct, it doesn't appear to be on the key servers. However, checking a signature doesn't imply that the check is *always* sucessful. In your case it wasn't because I lacked your public key... You want it? :) --MonMotha

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-06 Thread Jim McQueeney
On 9/6/2002 13:01 MonMotha wrote: Jim McQueeney wrote: No one gave me your public key, and you're correct, it doesn't appear to be on the key servers. However, checking a signature doesn't imply that the check is *always* sucessful. In your case it wasn't because I lacked your public

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-05 Thread Jimen Ching
On 4 Sep 2002, Warren Togami wrote: 1. No unsubstantiated controversial comments unless you are prepared to back up your claims. Rational discourse is encouraged. Irrational flames are not. Heh...Why not require peace on earth and good will towards man. ;-) I think trimming the qoutes is the

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy (MS Bashing)

2002-09-05 Thread Joe Linux
I don't have the money to try every new M$ release, but I don't care for what I've tried, and I continue to believe that they have caused great damage to competition and choice within the computer industry. W. Wayne Liauh wrote: As for flaming M$, have at it. They deserve it. Microsoft is

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-05 Thread Joe Linux
Jimen Ching wrote: Perhaps specialized topics like linux for schools does not belong in a general purpose mailing list like Luau. I believe the idea of censorship came up in the past and was shot down. Of course, videl is your server and no one can force you to host a list you don't like.

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-05 Thread Warren Togami
On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 02:57, Joe Linux wrote: Maybe the problem here is that it's too much of a one man show. [SNIP] I like opinions, and have no objection to a person expressing their own feelings, beliefs, and thoughts. I enjoy controversy. What I detest is persons who impose their own

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-05 Thread Joe Linux
I thought the issue here was to discourage flaming. I didn't mention any names in my post and generally don't flame individuals. In general terms, it's difficult to be all, and do all. Persons who attempt this often become overly stressed out, irritable, and more often than not,

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-05 Thread Yuser
If this is the character that you want for this group, then please continue the bashing. Just because all other Linux User Groups do it, does that make it right? I consider a local user mailing list to be from the shallow trenches, with usenet, irc to be the deeper holes and many web sites to

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-05 Thread R. Scott Belford
On Thursday 05 September 2002 03:59 am, Warren Togami wrote: [SNIP] I am offended that you now try to make yourself look to be the victim and especially saying that the one man show (implying me) is to blame. For a while now I thought you had stopped with posts that that in my opinion

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-05 Thread Joe Linux
All very well put (for self explanatory reasons, and I'm choosing not to trim this response.) R. Scott Belford wrote: On Thursday 05 September 2002 03:59 am, Warren Togami wrote: [SNIP] I am offended that you now try to make yourself look to be the victimand

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-05 Thread Warren Togami
Okay, I was wrong in publicly blasting George on the list. You are right, everyone has their right to make their own opinion, and I have no right to impose anything upon anyone. Although I personally feel offended by what has been said, I realize that this is counterproductive to argue. I

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-05 Thread cpaul
With the Linux for Schools project successfully underway, more and more educators and non-techies are joining this mailing list. The self-censorship that MonMotha mentioned would be ideal, and possibly crucial, to keep these people interested in the Open Source community. Wouldn't they

RE: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-05 Thread Brian Low
, 2002 12:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy With the Linux for Schools project successfully underway, more and more educators and non-techies are joining this mailing list. The self-censorship that MonMotha mentioned would be ideal, and possibly

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-05 Thread MonMotha
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the Linux for Schools project successfully underway, more and more educators and non-techies are joining this mailing list. The self-censorship that MonMotha mentioned would be ideal, and possibly crucial, to keep these people interested in the Open Source

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-05 Thread Jimen Ching
On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will not support efforts to water down geek culture for the sake of keeping appearances with the bourgeois. Tactically speaking, an informal prohibition against some of the 'baser' elements of geek language and culture might be a good way to attract

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-05 Thread Robert Green
Perhaps the best idea would be to have a separate list centered around the Linux for Schools project, particularly for the non-geek types? --- Jimen Ching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will not support efforts to water down geek culture for the sake of

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-05 Thread R. Scott Belford
It seems to me that so far there has been a great mixture of basic and advanced discussions. Some things are over my head, and some things are under it. This seems a great way to know where one's head is. Hopefully there will continue to be many newcomers to the list totally intimidated by

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-05 Thread Jeff Zidek
You don't see me often on the list but I read it religiously. I have to say though the past few days have made me wonder about the maturity of those who contribute regularly. I have my gripes and complaints as much as the next guy but come on. The contributions of the past couple of days make

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-04 Thread Joe Linux
I prefer Internet forums which are wide open and not micro managed. As for flaming M$, have at it. They deserve it. On the other hand I don't think personal attacks on individuals because of their honest opinions and feelings are in order. The delete key works fine on my computer. If the

[luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy (MS Bashing)

2002-09-04 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
As for flaming M$, have at it. They deserve it. Microsoft is indeed a very good company, and, from my own experience it does produce very good products. Abstractly bashing Microsoft only makes one look ignorant.

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-04 Thread Warren Togami
On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 03:14, Joe Linux wrote: I prefer Internet forums which are wide open and not micro managed. As for flaming M$, have at it. They deserve it. On the other hand I don't think personal attacks on individuals because of their honest opinions and feelings are in order.

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-04 Thread Gary Sublett
On 04 Sep 2002 08:04:56 -1000 Warren Togami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 03:14, Joe Linux wrote: I prefer Internet forums which are wide open and not micro managed. As for flaming M$, have at it. They deserve it. On the other hand I don't think personal attacks on

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-04 Thread Warren Togami
On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 09:19, Gary Sublett wrote: Frankly, I am more troubled by the lack of trimming and off topic threads than the unsubstantiated controversial comments. Thank you for your polite suggestion. I will need to look into that later today. I am in agreement that lack of

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-04 Thread Robert Green
--- Warren Togami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 09:19, Gary Sublett wrote: Frankly, I am more troubled by the lack of trimming and off topic threads than the unsubstantiated controversial comments. Thank you for your polite suggestion. I will need to look into that

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-04 Thread MonMotha
Gary Sublett wrote: Warren, Of course you can take you bat and ball and go home if you want, but I am not sure that would solve much. I have to admit your original post on this matter troubled me a bit and sounded like there might be a potential for unwarrented censorship. I think what

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-04 Thread cpaul
Aloha, 2. No childish name calling - this includes Microsoft bashing. This type of banter really pollutes the signal to noise ratio of any group. It scares people. Really. I will elaborate more tomorrow. I fully agree with all of these points, except for #2. Micro$oft bashing is a

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-04 Thread Warren Togami
On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 10:22, Robert Green wrote: I agree with the overall ideas of the policy that was posted before, but I think some of it is probably worded too strongly. Yes, that was my mistake. I sent it off a bit too hastily. In my opinion, the lack of trimming is a GLARING problem

Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

2002-09-04 Thread Elayne Man
On Wed, 4 Sep 2002 13:33:38 -1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I fully agree with all of these points, except for #2. Micro$oft bashing is a time-honoured and loved aspect of any Linux Users Group. It's what gives us our character! :) cheers, charles (writing from a Winblows machine) In my