Re: [LUAU] Ubuntu... Legalities

2006-06-06 Thread Maddog
My point was that most folks will pay for convenience. Most folks will pay for a Linspire or Mandriva edition because it has all the conveniences built in (i.e. an autoplay DVD player, etc.). As far as marketing crap I believe you way oversimplified it. If people will pay for it you now have a

Re: [LUAU] Ubuntu... Legalities

2006-06-06 Thread Tim Newsham
If you had a choice to buy gas for $3.35/gallon right down the street on King Street or drive to Millilani (if you live in town) and pay $3.09/gallon, where would you most like fuel up? A large majority would go to the more expensive station out of convenience. I think you'll find they're

Re: [LUAU] Ubuntu... Legalities

2006-06-06 Thread Jim Thompson
On Jun 6, 2006, at 5:13 AM, Maddog wrote: My point was that most folks will pay for convenience. Most folks will pay for a Linspire or Mandriva edition because it has all the conveniences built in (i.e. an autoplay DVD player, etc.). As far as marketing crap I believe you way

Re: [LUAU] Ubuntu... Legalities

2006-06-06 Thread Peter Besenbruch
You've just proved the validity of his analogy. Now compute the cost of installing your own codec versus buying a package with the codec installed. Be sure to include the value of your time. You definitely have to drive a lot further when you do it yourself. apt-get install w32codecs

Re: [LUAU] Ubuntu... Legalities

2006-06-06 Thread Jim Thompson
On Jun 6, 2006, at 6:47 AM, Tim Newsham wrote: If you had a choice to buy gas for $3.35/gallon right down the street on King Street or drive to Millilani (if you live in town) and pay $3.09/gallon, where would you most like fuel up? A large majority would go to the more expensive station

Re: [LUAU] Ubuntu... Legalities

2006-06-06 Thread Maddog
I know plenty about the cost of bandwidth. I also know about the cost of deploying wireless equipment and maintaining the network. It is not viable to offer free wi-fi unless you can pay for the costs. MD Bandwidth and equipment cost money and I don't see any companies lining up to donate

Re: [LUAU] Ubuntu... Legalities

2006-06-06 Thread Jim Thompson
I'm sorry, but a single AP in your coffee shop/mcdonalds/lunch counter/ will cost you less than $100. Hotels (on the mainland) have figured out that people will preferentially stay where there first was WiFi and now folks will stay where its free. This is especially true in the 3 star

Re: [LUAU] Ubuntu... Legalities

2006-06-06 Thread Maddog
I'm not talking about putting a Linksys et. al, AP in you hotel hallway, I am talking about a commercial Wi-Fi deployment. You are not going to deploy that crappy equipment in Waikiki and expect not to be over run by the guys already there using much more powerful equipment. C'mon Jim. We are

Re: [LUAU] Ubuntu... Legalities

2006-06-06 Thread Jim Thompson
On Jun 6, 2006, at 3:07 PM, Maddog wrote: I'm not talking about putting a Linksys et. al, AP in you hotel hallway, I am talking about a commercial Wi-Fi deployment. You are not going to deploy that crappy equipment in Waikiki and expect not to be over run by the guys already there using

Re: [LUAU] Ubuntu... Legalities

2006-06-06 Thread Maddog
And it will change. I've been doing hotel WiFi in various guises since 1998. Wayport had over 1,000 hotels when I left. It will change in Hawaii slower than elsewhere because there is no business requirement driving the hotels here. Hawaii is a resort destination. People come here

Re: [LUAU] Ubuntu... Legalities

2006-06-06 Thread Nakashima
On Tuesday, June 6, 2006, at 07:43 PM, Maddog wrote: And it will change. I've been doing hotel WiFi in various guises since 1998. Wayport had over 1,000 hotels when I left. It will change in Hawaii slower than elsewhere because there is no business requirement driving the hotels