Re: [LUAU] Is this list still alive...
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[LUAU] yes...was Re: Is this list still alive...
Here is a Linux/Ubuntu question. I just tried for the first time Ububtu, (gutsy Gibbon) I was amazed at how user friendly and well designed the desktop is.This older guy runs a community center with broadband.We came upon a hosed install of Win2K and decided we should try Ubuntu to see how it is received by the public. It installed great,I used partitioning software included on the live CD to split the disk in two,giving Ubuntu the second partition.It installed Grub with a menu pointing to Win2K.All attempts to right the Windows distro failed and I then decided to give the entire disk to Ubuantu.Now we have a boot menu that boots Ubuantu but still points to the non existant Win2K...it just yields an error message and you can go back to boot the working OS. I would like to wipe the menu which now doesn't look pro,but reading I see there is no uninstall of Grub...man pages say to over write it. Is this safe? And how should I go about it? fdisk /mbr or something like that? Should I make a boot floppy first? machine has a floppy drive. David Kiwerski wrote: Seems so, but not very active presently. Al Plant wrote: Is the Luau list still alive? ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.15/1426 - Release Date: 5/10/2008 11:12 AM ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org
Re: [LUAU] yes...was Re: Is this list still alive...
Hi, You never want to uninstall grub because it is the bootloader that loads ubuntu. Instead you should edit it's configuration file. In a terminal type sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst If the default entry is already ubuntu (the default it whatever one is selected when you first boot up) then all you need to do is change the timeout from 10 to 0 (it should be around line 19) If you need to change the default, you would need to change the default setting. But I believe that when you install Ubuntu it makes Ubuntu the default anyway. Jason On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Jim Roby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a Linux/Ubuntu question. I just tried for the first time Ububtu, (gutsy Gibbon) I was amazed at how user friendly and well designed the desktop is.This older guy runs a community center with broadband.We came upon a hosed install of Win2K and decided we should try Ubuntu to see how it is received by the public. It installed great,I used partitioning software included on the live CD to split the disk in two,giving Ubuntu the second partition.It installed Grub with a menu pointing to Win2K.All attempts to right the Windows distro failed and I then decided to give the entire disk to Ubuantu.Now we have a boot menu that boots Ubuantu but still points to the non existant Win2K...it just yields an error message and you can go back to boot the working OS. I would like to wipe the menu which now doesn't look pro,but reading I see there is no uninstall of Grub...man pages say to over write it. Is this safe? And how should I go about it? fdisk /mbr or something like that? Should I make a boot floppy first? machine has a floppy drive. David Kiwerski wrote: Seems so, but not very active presently. Al Plant wrote: Is the Luau list still alive? ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.15/1426 - Release Date: 5/10/2008 11:12 AM ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org
Re: [LUAU] yes...was Re: Is this list still alive...
Great,so Grub is located in the MBR but refers to it's menu list inside the default partition.? Ubuantu is listed as the default,but it also list two other iterations of the same OS,one seems like a diagnostic and the other a memory check shell.Then comes the line Other OS and below that Win2K.I was able to access the Grub shell but it would'nt accept changes,probably since I wasn't root and logged in. Thanks Jason. Jason Axelson wrote: Hi, You never want to uninstall grub because it is the bootloader that loads ubuntu. Instead you should edit it's configuration file. In a terminal type sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst If the default entry is already ubuntu (the default it whatever one is selected when you first boot up) then all you need to do is change the timeout from 10 to 0 (it should be around line 19) If you need to change the default, you would need to change the default setting. But I believe that when you install Ubuntu it makes Ubuntu the default anyway. Jason On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Jim Roby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a Linux/Ubuntu question. I just tried for the first time Ububtu, (gutsy Gibbon) I was amazed at how user friendly and well designed the desktop is.This older guy runs a community center with broadband.We came upon a hosed install of Win2K and decided we should try Ubuntu to see how it is received by the public. It installed great,I used partitioning software included on the live CD to split the disk in two,giving Ubuntu the second partition.It installed Grub with a menu pointing to Win2K.All attempts to right the Windows distro failed and I then decided to give the entire disk to Ubuantu.Now we have a boot menu that boots Ubuantu but still points to the non existant Win2K...it just yields an error message and you can go back to boot the working OS. I would like to wipe the menu which now doesn't look pro,but reading I see there is no uninstall of Grub...man pages say to over write it. Is this safe? And how should I go about it? fdisk /mbr or something like that? Should I make a boot floppy first? machine has a floppy drive. David Kiwerski wrote: Seems so, but not very active presently. Al Plant wrote: Is the Luau list still alive? ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.15/1426 - Release Date: 5/10/2008 11:12 AM ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1427 - Release Date: 5/11/2008 1:08 PM ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org
Re: [LUAU] Ubuntu and grub menu
Jim, The simplest option is to just comment out the Window 2000 menu item in /boot/grub/menu.lst file. eg. It would looks something like this (may vary slightly): title Windows 2000 rootnoverify (hd0,1) chainloader +1 Change it to this: #title Windows 2000 #rootnoverify (hd0,1) #chainloader +1 You should keep the other menu items as when you upgrade the kernel, the menu items will be modified. - Julian --- Jim Roby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great,so Grub is located in the MBR but refers to it's menu list inside the default partition.? Ubuantu is listed as the default,but it also list two other iterations of the same OS,one seems like a diagnostic and the other a memory check shell.Then comes the line Other OS and below that Win2K.I was able to access the Grub shell but it would'nt accept changes,probably since I wasn't root and logged in. Thanks Jason. Jason Axelson wrote: Hi, You never want to uninstall grub because it is the bootloader that loads ubuntu. Instead you should edit it's configuration file. In a terminal type sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst If the default entry is already ubuntu (the default it whatever one is selected when you first boot up) then all you need to do is change the timeout from 10 to 0 (it should be around line 19) If you need to change the default, you would need to change the default setting. But I believe that when you install Ubuntu it makes Ubuntu the default anyway. Jason On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Jim Roby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a Linux/Ubuntu question. I just tried for the first time Ububtu, (gutsy Gibbon) I was amazed at how user friendly and well designed the desktop is.This older guy runs a community center with broadband.We came upon a hosed install of Win2K and decided we should try Ubuntu to see how it is received by the public. It installed great,I used partitioning software included on the live CD to split the disk in two,giving Ubuntu the second partition.It installed Grub with a menu pointing to Win2K.All attempts to right the Windows distro failed and I then decided to give the entire disk to Ubuantu.Now we have a boot menu that boots Ubuantu but still points to the non existant Win2K...it just yields an error message and you can go back to boot the working OS. I would like to wipe the menu which now doesn't look pro,but reading I see there is no uninstall of Grub...man pages say to over write it. Is this safe? And how should I go about it? fdisk /mbr or something like that? Should I make a boot floppy first? machine has a floppy drive. David Kiwerski wrote: Seems so, but not very active presently. Al Plant wrote: Is the Luau list still alive? ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.15/1426 - Release Date: 5/10/2008 11:12 AM ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1427 - Release Date: 5/11/2008 1:08 PM ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org
Re: [LUAU] yes...was Re: Is this list still alive...
Jim Roby wrote: snip All attempts to right the Windows distro failed and I then decided to give the entire disk to Ubuantu.Now we have a boot menu that boots Ubuantu but still points to the non existant Win2K...it just yields an error message and you can go back to boot the working OS. I would like to wipe the menu which now doesn't look pro,but reading I see there is no uninstall of Grub...man pages say to over write it. Is this safe? And how should I go about it? fdisk /mbr or something like that? Should I make a boot floppy first? machine has a floppy drive. A boot loader (like Grub) is needed (just like Windows), but in Linux it's more visible. If you don't need the extra space, then I would just remove the Win2K option from grub. Open a terminal and: sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst Scroll down to the bottom and comment out the Win2K line by putting a # before the 4 lines associated with Win2K. It may look something like this: # title Windows 95/98/NT/2000 # root (hd0,0) # makeactive # chainloader +1 You can hide the grub menu on boot. There may be a hiddenmenu line that is commented out, just remove the # from before it. As a final note, you may want to consider installing the latest version of Ubuntu, Hardy Heron. So far it appears to be the great distro they've created. Good luck. Michael David Kiwerski wrote: Seems so, but not very active presently. Al Plant wrote: Is the Luau list still alive? ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.15/1426 - Release Date: 5/10/2008 11:12 AM ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org
[LUAU] Huron vs Gibbon
I first went out and put this question on the Ubuntu list and got no response in two days,I then started reading the man pages on the Debian site.TKX all for the clear answers.The install of Ubuntu was a real dream,easy to make the right choices,lots of fail safe,and friendly.Once it was up and rebooted it offered the upgrade,and I assumed it was security patches,but 650meg later we were automatically upgraded to Huron,and it left on the root desktop an ISO file that can be burned to CD. Just too slick. In looking at comments on the Ubuntu site there were some badmouthing the Huron,yet I saw no comments about Gibbon.I assume Huron is out of beta, but is it too soon to have upgraded? I did notice that in Huron they had dropped the install of Gpart which I used first to split the disk for the two OSs,but getting it on board with Huron was simple point and click,again my head spins at how Kewl this distro is. I mostly deal with Windoz and carry around a Dos boot CD and a copy of Partition Magic.I do use a CD puppy which I use to check ram and also as a proof of concept as to if I'm dealing with a hardware or Windows(mal ware) problem.This is the first Linux distro that truly seems ready for prime time.I have been making copies and giving it to folks,knowing that I wouldn't be getting frantic call at night. This machine as mentioned is at a community center and will see a lot of different users,we have provided a single account and passwrd and will encourage users to set up web mail accounts. It will be an interesting experiment to see it reception and how robust it is. Michael Bishop wrote: Jim Roby wrote: snip All attempts to right the Windows distro failed and I then decided to give the entire disk to Ubuantu.Now we have a boot menu that boots Ubuantu but still points to the non existant Win2K...it just yields an error message and you can go back to boot the working OS. I would like to wipe the menu which now doesn't look pro,but reading I see there is no uninstall of Grub...man pages say to over write it. Is this safe? And how should I go about it? fdisk /mbr or something like that? Should I make a boot floppy first? machine has a floppy drive. A boot loader (like Grub) is needed (just like Windows), but in Linux it's more visible. If you don't need the extra space, then I would just remove the Win2K option from grub. Open a terminal and: sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst Scroll down to the bottom and comment out the Win2K line by putting a # before the 4 lines associated with Win2K. It may look something like this: # title Windows 95/98/NT/2000 # root (hd0,0) # makeactive # chainloader +1 You can hide the grub menu on boot. There may be a hiddenmenu line that is commented out, just remove the # from before it. As a final note, you may want to consider installing the latest version of Ubuntu, Hardy Heron. So far it appears to be the great distro they've created. Good luck. Michael David Kiwerski wrote: Seems so, but not very active presently. ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org
Re: [LUAU] yes...was Re: Is this list still alive...
On Sunday 11 May 2008 12:51:27 Jim Roby wrote: Great,so Grub is located in the MBR but refers to it's menu list inside the default partition.? Ubuantu is listed as the default,but it also list two other iterations of the same OS,one seems like a diagnostic and the other a memory check shell.Then comes the line Other OS and below that Win2K.I was able to access the Grub shell but it would'nt accept changes,probably since I wasn't root and logged in. Thanks Jason. If your Windows 2000 partition is hosed, and you don't want to repair, reinstall, or otherwise fix it, you might want to get rid of the partition that it sits on, and expand the one Ubuntu sits on. This is a bit more involved, in that you need to know which partition is which, and you may need to edit, not only menu.lst, but also your /etc/fstab file. The advantage you get is extra disk space for Linux. The tool I use for editing partitions is the Gparted disk: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/download.php I second the recommendation for Hardy Heron. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org
Re: [LUAU] yes...was Re: Is this list still alive...
Done Peter. TKX Gparted was right on the menu system of Gibbon,but not Huron.But...alls I had to do was pick it from a list and click install. Peter Besenbruch wrote: On Sunday 11 May 2008 12:51:27 Jim Roby wrote: Great,so Grub is located in the MBR but refers to it's menu list inside the default partition.? Ubuantu is listed as the default,but it also list two other iterations of the same OS,one seems like a diagnostic and the other a memory check shell.Then comes the line Other OS and below that Win2K.I was able to access the Grub shell but it would'nt accept changes,probably since I wasn't root and logged in. Thanks Jason. If your Windows 2000 partition is hosed, and you don't want to repair, reinstall, or otherwise fix it, you might want to get rid of the partition that it sits on, and expand the one Ubuntu sits on. This is a bit more involved, in that you need to know which partition is which, and you may need to edit, not only menu.lst, but also your /etc/fstab file. The advantage you get is extra disk space for Linux. The tool I use for editing partitions is the Gparted disk: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/download.php I second the recommendation for Hardy Heron. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1427 - Release Date: 5/11/2008 1:08 PM ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org
