Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-24 Thread Nakashima
On Sunday, October 22, 2006, at 09:14 AM, Tim Newsham wrote: Would the system be safer if it was all on a CD and there was no hard drive? In a way. The system could still be attacked and used by attackers to stage attacks against other machines, but without a way to save any persistent

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-24 Thread Jim Thompson
On Oct 24, 2006, at 12:16 AM, Nakashima wrote: On Sunday, October 22, 2006, at 09:14 AM, Tim Newsham wrote: Would the system be safer if it was all on a CD and there was no hard drive? In a way. The system could still be attacked and used by attackers to stage attacks against other

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-24 Thread HawaiiDakine.com
Nakashima wrote: On Friday, October 20, 2006, at 10:27 AM, HawaiiDakine.com wrote: Nakashima wrote: Would it be practical for the FOSS community to come up with a stable, secure, grandpa/grandma computer system for users who just want to do email and browse the web a bit? --Peter

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-22 Thread Maddog
Maybe the $100 laptop from MIT? - Original Message - From: Nakashima [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LUAU luau@lists.hosef.org Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet On Saturday, October 21, 2006, at 01:17 PM

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-22 Thread Tim Newsham
Would the system be safer if it was all on a CD and there was no hard drive? In a way. The system could still be attacked and used by attackers to stage attacks against other machines, but without a way to save any persistent state, you'd get back to a clean state by just rebooting (barring

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-22 Thread Julian Yap
Just on the original subject line. MS does a good job trying to ban all other OS's from the Internet anyway. For the web site: http://video.msn.com I get the message: To use this product, you need to install free software This product requires Microsoft© Internet Explorer 6, Microsoft© Media

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-22 Thread Nakashima
On Sunday, October 22, 2006, at 07:30 AM, Maddog wrote: On Saturday, October 21, 2006, at 01:17 PM, Maddog wrote: OS's are only as secure as the users that use them. I think that's a repeat of what Tim said. Aside from the obscure OS's Jim reffered too (not to say they are not in use,

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-21 Thread Maddog
- Original Message - From: Nakashima [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LUAU luau@lists.hosef.org Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 6:39 AM Subject: Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet On Thursday, October 19, 2006, at 01:53 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: Let's just say

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-21 Thread Nakashima
On Friday, October 20, 2006, at 10:27 AM, HawaiiDakine.com wrote: Nakashima wrote: Would it be practical for the FOSS community to come up with a stable, secure, grandpa/grandma computer system for users who just want to do email and browse the web a bit? --Peter Aloha! A FreeBSD

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-21 Thread Nakashima
On Saturday, October 21, 2006, at 01:17 PM, Maddog wrote: OS's are only as secure as the users that use them. I think that's a repeat of what Tim said. Aside from the obscure OS's Jim reffered too (not to say they are not in use, just not widespread), in the real world where billions are

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-20 Thread Nakashima
On Thursday, October 19, 2006, at 01:53 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: Let's just say, it's not in the interest of anyone in the services or even the services industry to have a really secure computing platform. Hi, Non-technical poster here. Does the FOSS community have an interest in it? Would

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-20 Thread HawaiiDakine.com
Nakashima wrote: On Thursday, October 19, 2006, at 01:53 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: Let's just say, it's not in the interest of anyone in the services or even the services industry to have a really secure computing platform. Hi, Non-technical poster here. Does the FOSS community have an

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-19 Thread Jim Thompson
On Oct 18, 2006, at 8:19 PM, Tim Newsham wrote: Its not that simple. Windows boxes are a heckuva lot easier to populate with the software that creates botnets. They're an open infection vector. I don't agree at all. There are sufficient server and client vulnerabilities in *BSD,

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-19 Thread Tim Newsham
It's apparent that this is quickly becoming religeous. It is not my intention to start a religeous OS battle... Linux is great. I use it all the time. FreeBSD is great. I use it all the time Please. Windows is *full* of holes, and by default, it essentially runs as root (or the

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-19 Thread HawaiiDakine.com
Jim Thompson wrote: On Oct 18, 2006, at 8:19 PM, Tim Newsham wrote: Its not that simple. Windows boxes are a heckuva lot easier to populate with the software that creates botnets. They're an open infection vector. I don't agree at all. There are sufficient server and client

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-19 Thread Jim Thompson
On Oct 19, 2006, at 6:58 AM, Tim Newsham wrote: It's apparent that this is quickly becoming religeous. It is not my intention to start a religeous OS battle... Linux is great. I use it all the time. FreeBSD is great. I use it all the time Nice one, Tim. You throw the you're

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-19 Thread Jim Thompson
I know its bad form to respond to my own posting, but I did want to add one thing. Safely running Windows on the Internet is possible, but its a lot like being locked in a souring, mildewed terror-bunker watching black water pour in over the sill as a society poisoned by Lysenkoist (*)

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-19 Thread Tim Newsham
Can one write malware for a non-Windows platform? Sure. Can one run malware from a non-privileged account? Sure. Can one get people to install malware on a non-Windows platform? Sure Does Windows offer a more attractive target, especially because a) its huge installed base Yes. b) its

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-19 Thread Jim Thompson
On Oct 19, 2006, at 12:54 PM, Tim Newsham wrote: Can one write malware for a non-Windows platform? Sure. Can one run malware from a non-privileged account? Sure. Can one get people to install malware on a non-Windows platform? Sure Does Windows offer a more attractive target, especially

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-19 Thread Tim Newsham
Safely running Windows on the Internet is possible, but its a lot like being locked in a souring, mildewed terror-bunker watching black water pour in over the sill as a society poisoned by Lysenkoist (*) denial drowns in its own spew. I'm not sure what purpose this comment serves. It doesn't

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-19 Thread Tim Newsham
If your point is that stupidity will dominate, so people will install malware no matter what kind of OS you've provided, then there is no solution short of welding the hood shut. NO USER-SERVICEABLE PARTS INSIDE. Was that your point? If so, we need a new sign: You must be at least this

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-19 Thread Jim Thompson
On Oct 19, 2006, at 1:05 PM, Tim Newsham wrote: Safely running Windows on the Internet is possible, but its a lot like being locked in a souring, mildewed terror-bunker watching black water pour in over the sill as a society poisoned by Lysenkoist (*) denial drowns in its own spew. I'm

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-18 Thread Tim Newsham
Ok, this is just silly. If you ban windows machines from the internet you'd just get a bunch of linux and osx botnets... Botnets run on windows because they are the majority population, not because they are inherently easier to write botnets for. Tim Newsham

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-18 Thread Jim Thompson
On Oct 18, 2006, at 9:33 AM, Tim Newsham wrote: Ok, this is just silly. If you ban windows machines from the internet you'd just get a bunch of linux and osx botnets... Botnets run on windows because they are the majority population, not because they are inherently easier to write

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-18 Thread Peter Besenbruch
Tim Newsham wrote: Ok, this is just silly. If you ban windows machines from the internet you'd just get a bunch of linux and osx botnets... Botnets run on windows because they are the majority population, not because they are inherently easier to write botnets for. Linux has some

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-18 Thread Tim Newsham
Its not that simple. Windows boxes are a heckuva lot easier to populate with the software that creates botnets. They're an open infection vector. I don't agree at all. There are sufficient server and client vulnerabilities in *BSD, linux, OS X and windows. Many of the attacks don't even

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-18 Thread R. Scott Belford
Tim Newsham wrote: Its not that simple. Windows boxes are a heckuva lot easier to populate with the software that creates botnets. They're an open infection vector. I don't agree at all. There are sufficient server and client vulnerabilities in *BSD, linux, OS X and windows. Many of

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-18 Thread Julian Yap
So given that argument on market share as correlating to a need and return on investment, in a hypothetical situation where there is a 50% Windows market share and the remaining 50% is a mix of *nix, Linux and OS X. Would there be an equal amount of malware/spyware/viruses/etc.. devided equally

[LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-17 Thread Jim Thompson
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2029720,00.asp Almost apropos they're re-making The Invasion of the Body Snatchers again, according to Variety, but it probably won't be called exactly that, the working title is now just The Invasion (was: The Visiting) staring Nicole Kidman and