Re: [LUAU] so much for OpenBSD

2007-08-07 Thread Antonio Querubin
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, Peter Besenbruch wrote: Julian Yap wrote: SELinux is enabled by default (targeted policy) in Red Hat Enterprise Linux and Fedora. And it's amazing how much better Fedora runs when you turn them off. :) Indeed. After having lost and recovered several Fedora systems in

Re: [LUAU] so much for OpenBSD

2007-08-07 Thread Jim Thompson
On Aug 7, 2007, at 3:05 AM, Antonio Querubin wrote: On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, Peter Besenbruch wrote: Julian Yap wrote: SELinux is enabled by default (targeted policy) in Red Hat Enterprise Linux and Fedora. And it's amazing how much better Fedora runs when you turn them off. :) Indeed.

[LUAU] so much for OpenBSD

2007-08-06 Thread Jim Thompson
and their over-hyped security focus. They can't even behave responsibly when a remote execution bug shows up. http://www.coresecurity.com/index.php5? module=ContentModaction=itemid=1703 (Anyone else remember Clinton's deny deny deny?) They've now been forced to change their tagline to,

Re: [LUAU] so much for OpenBSD

2007-08-06 Thread 808blogger
well Keep in mind no other OS has even a close record to what the openbsd team has done. And dont forget that the ssh you use everyday is written by the openbsd team, thats right. Theo and co. have done a HUGE job improving security the unix world at large. and on the topic of this

Re: [LUAU] so much for OpenBSD

2007-08-06 Thread Jim Thompson
On Aug 6, 2007, at 1:09 PM, 808blogger wrote: well Keep in mind no other OS has even a close record to what the openbsd team has done. Please. And dont forget that the ssh you use everyday is written by the openbsd team, thats right. Theo and co. have done a HUGE job improving

Re: [LUAU] so much for OpenBSD

2007-08-06 Thread bully
So, let me get this straight. What are we talking about here? ONE security 'hole' or exploit every FIVE YEARS? As opposed to ONE hole punched in Windows OS every FIVE MINUTES? (Or less?) No brainer if you ask me. I think they're making way too much of such a little thing comparatively

Re: [LUAU] so much for OpenBSD

2007-08-06 Thread Jim Thompson
There are a plethora of operating systems one could run on a computer. OpenBSD and Windows do not represent anything like an endpoint on the continuum. While the OpenBSD approach, (inspect the source by hand, which they term an audit), while yielding some results, is fundamentally

Re: [LUAU] so much for OpenBSD

2007-08-06 Thread Julian Yap
--- Jim Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Linux has the SElinux extensions which are now part of the 2.6 kernel series, though not enabled by default, when last I checked. SELinux is enabled by default (targeted policy) in Red Hat Enterprise Linux and Fedora. In Fedora at least since

Re: [LUAU] so much for OpenBSD

2007-08-06 Thread Peter Besenbruch
Julian Yap wrote: SELinux is enabled by default (targeted policy) in Red Hat Enterprise Linux and Fedora. And it's amazing how much better Fedora runs when you turn them off. :) -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky