Re: [LUAU] Linspire damage control (on the subject of ESR 'leaving' Fedora)

2007-03-04 Thread Peter Besenbruch

Jim Thompson wrote:


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ESR obviously has no idea of what he is talking about. There is only one 
true Linux distribution, and that's Debian (translation: I can usually 
get it installed and keep it maintained).


Fedora is hardly my favorite distro, but Eric really ought to practice 
some discretion, like Linus when talking to the Gnome guys.


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Re: [LUAU] Linspire damage control (on the subject of ESR 'leaving' Fedora)

2007-03-04 Thread Jim Thompson


On Mar 4, 2007, at 12:24 PM, Peter Besenbruch wrote:


Jim Thompson wrote:
http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-11048-0.html? 
forumID=1threadID=30518messageID=567648start=-1 

Eric Raymond's boot to Red Hat's head
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ESR obviously has no idea of what he is talking about. There is  
only one true Linux distribution, and that's Debian (translation: I  
can usually get it installed and keep it maintained).


hey man, I run debian too, but I don't make claims that its the one  
true distro.   Its right for me, and yes, I agree that its easy to  
install and maintain, but I've also had apt fsck my system to the  
point of not booting while upgrading 'testing'.


I was able to repair same though.

Fedora is hardly my favorite distro, but Eric really ought to  
practice some discretion, like Linus when talking to the Gnome guys.


Well, thats the difference.

Linus said, gnome sucks rocks, here's a patch.

ESR said, fedora sucks, I quit.


ESR claims to be one of the senior technical cadre that makes the  
Internet work , and a core Linux and open-source developer.

Yet ESR has no code in the linux kernel.  (None!)

Linus doesn't make any grandiose claims (other than things like,  
thats stupid, and he once said I am your God, but we all think he  
was kidding.)

Linus, point of fact, does have (quite a bit of) code in the kernel.


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Re: [LUAU] Linspire damage control (on the subject of ESR 'leaving' Fedora)

2007-03-04 Thread Peter Besenbruch
hey man, I run debian too, but I don't make claims that its the one 
true distro.   Its right for me, and yes, I agree that its easy to 
install and maintain, but I've also had apt fsck my system to the point 
of not booting while upgrading 'testing'.


I think I could screw up pretty much anything out there. :)


I was able to repair same though.


And when that doesn't work, there are backups. I really like the Etch 
installer when all else fails. It gives a very fine grained control if 
you want it.



Well, thats the difference.

Linus said, gnome sucks rocks, here's a patch.

ESR said, fedora sucks, I quit.


I agree. I may not always agree with Linus' methodology (though I do 
agree with him about KDE vs. Gnome), but he is a guy I ultimately 
respect. He may shoot his mouth off, but the is a fair bit of substance 
behind the guy. When he shoots off his mouth about SCO, he can actually 
be quite funny.


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