Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The procedure for transforming Ubuntu into Lubuntu
On 06/06/2011 11:49 AM, Jason Hsu wrote: Given the similarities in our distros (targeting the lower part of the Linux market and being based on existing distros), I figure that much of what works for Lubuntu will work for Swift Linux. I wouldn't be very confident of that; we use the Ubuntu repositories, and antix is rather unlikely to do so :) What is the procedure for creating the latest version of Lubuntu? I'd like to go through your process from start to finish. We don't transform Ubuntu into Lubuntu; instead, we build an Lubuntu ISO from our chosen set of packages that are in the Ubuntu repositories. You chose an interesting time to ask about this! As of right now, today, the Lubuntu ISO build script is at https://code.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop/+junk/lubuntu-tools Please note that this is (I really really hope!) about to become *totally* obsolete, because Lubuntu is becoming official and so migrating to use Canonical/Ubuntu ISO build infrastructure and tools. We expect and hope our next Alpha2 release, due on 07 July 2011, will use the new (well, new to Lubuntu!) build tools, not our old script. There is work almost underway by Michael Casadevall to document those tools, see https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-o-image-build-documentation This documentation work is currently waiting for a significant internal change in the tools (!) from using livecd-rootfs to using live-helper, which will be completed in the next few days. See https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-o-live-build for that specification, with some of the gory details a little more visible at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/SwitchToLiveBuild To be honest, if you are creating an antix based distribution, I'd suggest using whatever ISO build tools antix uses, rather than anything else. Just as Lubuntu, being (now, at last!) part of the Ubuntu family, will use the same tools that the other Ubuntu flavours use. Hoping this helps, Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Re: ISO Image Build Documentation Status?
Just so the whole Lubuntu team is kept in the picture, I recently emailed Michael Casadevall about the documentation for the Ubuntu ISO build system, and he responded with the email below. Jonathan Original Message Subject: Re: ISO Image Build Documentation Status? Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 06:52:12 -0700 From: Michael Casadevall mcasadev...@ubuntu.com To: Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm It's great to get your email, and know that there's serious interest in this. Right now, debian-cd is currently transitioning from livecd-rootfs to live-helper under the hood which has greatly complicated documenting it. Once this transition is complete, I'll start working towards rough documentation as it makes no sense to document what won't be the same in a few days :-/. Michael ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: LXDE shutown dependency/permissions?
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 22:00 -0700, Jonathan Marsden wrote: On 06/06/2011 03:22 AM, Jared Norris wrote: I am not running Lubuntu. I'll check out the size requirement of apt-get install lubuntu-default-settings (limited HD=512MB) I did see mention in an Arch linux forum about using startlxde to solve the same issue. The mention was to put it in, ~/.xinitrc I'm not sure if the following is Arch specific though, because I have never seen ck-launch-session startlxde syntax in Debian/Ubuntu before. Quote: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LXDE To use startx you will need to define LXDE in your ~/.xinitrc file: exec ck-launch-session startlxde This will launch LXDE with HAL support that provides the ability to restart or shutdown your computer from the logout dialog. I take no credit for the answer but just wanted to pass on the information apparently the issue with the missing shutdown and reboot buttons has been traced to starting X using the startx command rather than the correct startlubuntu command. Apparently this means you were running a default LXDE theme not actually Lubuntu. Thanks jmarsden for the information and I'm sure if you have more questions he'd be happy to answer them (they watch the mailing list here) Let's give credit to Unit193 for pointing out the startlubuntu command to me in IRC earlier. So this is good example of an issue solved by the Lubuntu community working together, rather than by one person :) One more note: if you lack the startlubuntu command, you should install the lubuntu-desktop-settings package, by doing something like: sudo apt-get install lubuntu-default-settings Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Proposed changes to lubuntu-desktop
I've tested every PDF reader and Evince is the only one that does not distort truetype edges. The respective developments for MuPDF and XPdf are a bit paused and, as PCMan said, usability increases due to the user popularity, so it's easy making changes. Evince isn't as resource hungry as we can expect, and its dependencies are small. I'd like to remember all graphickers, photographers and people who use compliant PDFs that the libraries used by xPDF and others are deprecated. Evince uses a new version of Poppler already tested, now used by Okular and ePDFViewer (who was candidate for a release of Lubuntu and rejected due to rendering reasons). I think the actual selection of Lubuntu's included software is near perfection. Balanced between size and resource needs, as well as opensource enough to ensure a long term support for developers. -- Go to rafaellaguna.com Go to Lubuntu.net attachment: b3.pngattachment: b2.pngattachment: b1.png___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Proposed changes to lubuntu-desktop
From a very-humble user point of view: I use Libre Office + Gnumeric (Abiword can't convince me). As i read recently, Libre Office is getting performance improvements, but the problem is still the ram consumption vs the ram used by abiword (i use LO for writer and slideshows, but gnumeric is a magnificient tool), LO is an option? It could bring a slideshow editor to Lubuntu... Let individually decide but my guess is that Lubuntu should remain with abiword gnumeric for the concept. Midori: in many ways it could be best than chromium, but as PCMAN said, it's not stable at all . Games: ace of penguins is faster than anything, but they're not cool at all. Everybody i've shown this says something like looks ugly, how can i configure it?. There's nothing better around? PDF viewers: i'm with Rafael on this, Evince is the best choice there is (besides, it can read a lot of formats, not only pdf ;) xscreensaver makes my installations crash on every old computer i own, i already said this on the mailing list: it's heavy and it consumes energy displaying something fancy on the screen instead of just a black screen or turn it off (clearly i don't like it...); but it locks the screen, so it's necessary. xchat as i know is on discussion as i read recently... Pidgin would be the option. That's my two cents :) 2011/6/7 Tim Bernhard ohiom...@gmail.com I understand that it's a standard to have games, but the ones we have look worse than anything I've seen since DOS days! I think they sort of bring the overall feel of the distro down, but I'm guessing they are really lightweight. I don't really care one way or the other so whatever works for you guys if fine by me. I really like the way everything else looks and functions and I never play the games anyway. 2011/6/7 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) rafaellag...@gmail.com Well, it was a long discussion about this last time. I don't play at all, but I must admit that theye're needed. Every distributon has a few games, at least a Solitaire or something like that (kinda office spending time [image: :D] ). Maybe we need to talk about changing them, choosing another meta-package or individual ones. The included applications poll started. Again. -- [image: Go to rafaellaguna.com] http://lubuntublog.rafaellaguna.com [image: Go to Lubuntu.net] http://www.lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- jpxsat ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Proposed changes to lubuntu-desktop
Le Tuesday 07 June 2011 à 09:14 -0400, Tim Bernhard a écrit : I understand that it's a standard to have games, but the ones we have look worse than anything I've seen since DOS days! I think they sort of bring the overall feel of the distro down, but I'm guessing they are really lightweight. I don't really care one way or the other so whatever works for you guys if fine by me. I really like the way everything else looks and functions and I never play the games anyway. If you have any suggestions, feel free to propose them :) Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Proposed changes to lubuntu-desktop
2. Correct. My mistake. Cheers, James Gifford http://jamesrgifford.com On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 11:14 PM, PCMan pcman...@gmail.com wrote: 1. Lubuntu is lightweght + good usability. Sometimes usability should outweigh memory usage if the lighter alternatives are not as usable, xpdf for example. Midori is not stable enough. In addition, browser is the most critical part of a desktop system and is one of the largest security hole. A famous browser with large user base can have instant security fixes and more complete testing. So practically I don't think there should be any real lighter alternatives. 2. LibreOffice is not Java-based. Java AFAIK is an optional dependency. On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:02 AM, James Gifford ja...@jamesrgifford.com wrote: Just my two cents here - libreoffice is Java based, so (in my experience anyway) it probably isn't lighter-weight. You mentioned Midori. In my experience, Midori isn't good for the average user, and some sites (namely, gmail) refuse to work with it at all. Just my two cents, take it for what it's worth. :) --James Gifford http://jamesrgifford.com On Jun 6, 2011, at 21:57, Markus Brummer markus.brum...@helsinki.fi wrote: Hi, I'd like to propose some changes to the lubuntu-desktop package. This is primarily meant to the developers, but other users may be interested. The point of Lubuntu LXDE is to make a very lightweight desktop to end users. This proposal would 1) make many of the dependencies as recommends and 2) add lighter / better alternatives. This would in the end make the installation more flexible. Inspiration for this came from the xubuntu-desktop package. The following recommendations are packages that aren't necessary for the overall usability of Lubuntu: on a normal installation, all packages marked as recommended are installed. Package list (dep rec): abiword / libreoffice-writer ace-of-penguins audacious chromium-browser / midori evince / mupdf / xpdf file-roller / xarchiver gnome-disk-utility gnumeric / libreoffice-calc lxtask mobile-broadband-provider-info modemmanager mtpaint sylpheed transmission xchat xscreensaver -Markus ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Proposed changes to lubuntu-desktop
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 13:06:28 -0400 Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.com wrote: From a very-humble user point of view: I use Libre Office + Gnumeric (Abiword can't convince me). As i read recently, Libre Office is getting performance improvements, but the problem is still the ram consumption vs the ram used by abiword (i use LO for writer and slideshows, but gnumeric is a magnificient tool), LO is an option? It could bring a slideshow editor to Lubuntu... Let individually decide but my guess is that Lubuntu should remain with abiword gnumeric for the concept. Midori: in many ways it could be best than chromium, but as PCMAN said, it's not stable at all . Try running Libre/open Office on a 160 MIB, 300MHz machine and I think you'll find it just becomes unpleasant. Abiword does everything I need of a word processor, and I install it on Ubuntu as Libre/Open Office is just cumbersome. As somebody who has had to sit through endless 'slide show' presentations I believe it may be one of the worst uses for a computer ever. I have Midori on one machine and keep trying it. It seems to take two steps forward then one back. It has a way to go before it is a real alternative to FF or Chromium, sadly. Games: ace of penguins is faster than anything, but they're not cool at all. Everybody i've shown this says something like looks ugly, how can i configure it?. There's nothing better around? Ace of Penquins is probably best described as functional ;) but, who needs 'looks' in card games anyway? There is however a set of icons being produced, slowly, for it. \o/ PDF viewers: i'm with Rafael on this, Evince is the best choice there is (besides, it can read a lot of formats, not only pdf ;) Evince does appear to be the most functional of PDF reader on Linux. xscreensaver makes my installations crash on every old computer i own, i already said this on the mailing list: it's heavy and it consumes energy displaying something fancy on the screen instead of just a black screen or turn it off (clearly i don't like it...); but it locks the screen, so it's necessary. I have nothing nice to say about screen-savers so will say nothing. xchat as i know is on discussion as i read recently... Pidgin would be the option. I hate Pidgin and will install XChat if it isn't installed by default. I say stick with what we've got and lets get Lubuntu twiddled and polished. Remember when suggesting applications that the target is a couple of hundred MHz CPU and 128 MiB of RAM. -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Proposed changes to lubuntu-desktop
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 08:15:16 -0400 Tim Bernhard ohiom...@gmail.com wrote: The only thing I don't like is the games. (Is there an easy way for me to remove the games all at once?? I never really looked into it.) I wanted to remove them (as well as Abiword Gnumeric), but when I tell Synaptic to get rid of them, it says that it must remove lubuntu-desktop as well. So, not wanting to destroy an otherwise great system, I cancel out of it. It does irk me though that lubuntu presumes to know better than I what is needed on my system and threatens to self-destruct if I don't do as it says. -- Todd Carnes toddcar...@gmail.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Proposed changes to lubuntu-desktop
Hiyas Boss, Me thinks now would be a good time to decide these items. Setting up a vote, followed by a meeting may be a good idea? We have - June 14th : End of proposal for applications by default Followed by - June 19th : Decision for the modifications of default applications @ ALL Yes, I know everyone who proposes their favourite application that is not installed by default feels sore, hopefully in Lubuntu we are not that petty as to leave because of it. Any application can be added from the repositories, some of the 'weird' stuff people do to Lubuntu is a testament to just how rock solid it is. The old, and so far, not replaced rule is that a proposed application may not... 1) Use any hard disk space up 2) Use any CPU time when running 3) Use any RAM when running. Whilst we may laugh at such rules, they are what make Lubuntu able to do what it does on our minimal spec. For those with lots of Hard Disk space and RAM and really high CPU's - Great. Lubuntu is lean, mean, keen and green. BUT we are going to remain within our Pentium II or Celeron system with 128 MiB of RAM Regards, Phill. On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com wrote: I say stick with what we've got and lets get Lubuntu twiddled and polished. Remember when suggesting applications that the target is a couple of hundred MHz CPU and 128 MiB of RAM. Indeed, let's remain focused on keeping Lubuntu light. We also need to consider how many changes are already in the works ;^) I doubt the change to GTK+ 3 will be without numerous challenges, as will be transition to becoming a full-fledged Ubuntu release. No easy time for the limited number of devs. But, regarding software in particular this may come into play, from the ToDo (more than bite size) list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/TODO Software-center : Work on a new minimal interface to see if it's possible to switch to SC: TODO It may be possible that an appropriate version of SC could solve most of these problems. Maybe we could install even less and then let people decide what fits their needs and hardware best. But ATM we need to give the devs room to adjust to the changes at hand. --- On *Tue, 6/7/11, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com* wrote: From: Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Proposed changes to lubuntu-desktop To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 2:19 PM On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 13:06:28 -0400 Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=jpx...@gmail.com wrote: From a very-humble user point of view: I use Libre Office + Gnumeric (Abiword can't convince me). As i read recently, Libre Office is getting performance improvements, but the problem is still the ram consumption vs the ram used by abiword (i use LO for writer and slideshows, but gnumeric is a magnificient tool), LO is an option? It could bring a slideshow editor to Lubuntu... Let individually decide but my guess is that Lubuntu should remain with abiword gnumeric for the concept. Midori: in many ways it could be best than chromium, but as PCMAN said, it's not stable at all . Try running Libre/open Office on a 160 MIB, 300MHz machine and I think you'll find it just becomes unpleasant. Abiword does everything I need of a word processor, and I install it on Ubuntu as Libre/Open Office is just cumbersome. As somebody who has had to sit through endless 'slide show' presentations I believe it may be one of the worst uses for a computer ever. I have Midori on one machine and keep trying it. It seems to take two steps forward then one back. It has a way to go before it is a real alternative to FF or Chromium, sadly. Games: ace of penguins is faster than anything, but they're not cool at all. Everybody i've shown this says something like looks ugly, how can i configure it?. There's nothing better around? Ace of Penquins is probably best described as functional ;) but, who needs 'looks' in card games anyway? There is however a set of icons being produced, slowly, for it. \o/ PDF viewers: i'm with Rafael on this, Evince is the best choice there is (besides, it can read a lot of formats, not only pdf ;) Evince does appear to be the most functional of PDF reader on Linux. xscreensaver makes my installations crash on every old computer i own, i already said this on the mailing list: it's heavy and it consumes energy displaying something fancy on the screen instead of just a black screen or turn it off (clearly i don't like it...); but it locks the screen, so it's necessary. I have nothing nice to say about screen-savers so will say nothing. xchat as i know is on discussion as i read recently... Pidgin would be the option. I hate Pidgin and will install XChat if it isn't installed by default. I say stick with what we've got and lets get Lubuntu twiddled and polished. Remember when
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Proposed changes to lubuntu-desktop
Generally speaking, packages like lubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-desktop are meta-packages: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MetaPackages It's generally OK to remove a meta-package but you must know what you're doing to some degree. For instance I could remove 'lxterminal' but if I did so prior to installing another terminal I'd be pretty well up a creek w/o a paddle. Aysiu from Ubuntu forums created a guide here: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index If you look at the Playing Around section you'll get a good general idea what I'm talking about. --- On Tue, 6/7/11, Todd Carnes toddcar...@gmail.com wrote: From: Todd Carnes toddcar...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Proposed changes to lubuntu-desktop To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 6:08 PM On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 08:15:16 -0400 Tim Bernhard ohiom...@gmail.com wrote: The only thing I don't like is the games. (Is there an easy way for me to remove the games all at once?? I never really looked into it.) I wanted to remove them (as well as Abiword Gnumeric), but when I tell Synaptic to get rid of them, it says that it must remove lubuntu-desktop as well. So, not wanting to destroy an otherwise great system, I cancel out of it. It does irk me though that lubuntu presumes to know better than I what is needed on my system and threatens to self-destruct if I don't do as it says. -- Todd Carnes toddcar...@gmail.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Proposed changes to lubuntu-desktop
Aloha oukou, I've got one suggestion for replacement, which is to replace leafpad with gedit. Note bloated in any way and handy syntax highlighting to boon. With metta, Chris Druif On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 01:13, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hiyas Boss, Me thinks now would be a good time to decide these items. Setting up a vote, followed by a meeting may be a good idea? We have - June 14th : End of proposal for applications by default Followed by - June 19th : Decision for the modifications of default applications @ ALL Yes, I know everyone who proposes their favourite application that is not installed by default feels sore, hopefully in Lubuntu we are not that petty as to leave because of it. Any application can be added from the repositories, some of the 'weird' stuff people do to Lubuntu is a testament to just how rock solid it is. The old, and so far, not replaced rule is that a proposed application may not... 1) Use any hard disk space up 2) Use any CPU time when running 3) Use any RAM when running. Whilst we may laugh at such rules, they are what make Lubuntu able to do what it does on our minimal spec. For those with lots of Hard Disk space and RAM and really high CPU's - Great. Lubuntu is lean, mean, keen and green. BUT we are going to remain within our Pentium II or Celeron system with 128 MiB of RAM Regards, Phill. On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com wrote: I say stick with what we've got and lets get Lubuntu twiddled and polished. Remember when suggesting applications that the target is a couple of hundred MHz CPU and 128 MiB of RAM. Indeed, let's remain focused on keeping Lubuntu light. We also need to consider how many changes are already in the works ;^) I doubt the change to GTK+ 3 will be without numerous challenges, as will be transition to becoming a full-fledged Ubuntu release. No easy time for the limited number of devs. But, regarding software in particular this may come into play, from the ToDo (more than bite size) list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/TODO Software-center : Work on a new minimal interface to see if it's possible to switch to SC: TODO It may be possible that an appropriate version of SC could solve most of these problems. Maybe we could install even less and then let people decide what fits their needs and hardware best. But ATM we need to give the devs room to adjust to the changes at hand. --- On *Tue, 6/7/11, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com* wrote: From: Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Proposed changes to lubuntu-desktop To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 2:19 PM On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 13:06:28 -0400 Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=jpx...@gmail.com wrote: From a very-humble user point of view: I use Libre Office + Gnumeric (Abiword can't convince me). As i read recently, Libre Office is getting performance improvements, but the problem is still the ram consumption vs the ram used by abiword (i use LO for writer and slideshows, but gnumeric is a magnificient tool), LO is an option? It could bring a slideshow editor to Lubuntu... Let individually decide but my guess is that Lubuntu should remain with abiword gnumeric for the concept. Midori: in many ways it could be best than chromium, but as PCMAN said, it's not stable at all . Try running Libre/open Office on a 160 MIB, 300MHz machine and I think you'll find it just becomes unpleasant. Abiword does everything I need of a word processor, and I install it on Ubuntu as Libre/Open Office is just cumbersome. As somebody who has had to sit through endless 'slide show' presentations I believe it may be one of the worst uses for a computer ever. I have Midori on one machine and keep trying it. It seems to take two steps forward then one back. It has a way to go before it is a real alternative to FF or Chromium, sadly. Games: ace of penguins is faster than anything, but they're not cool at all. Everybody i've shown this says something like looks ugly, how can i configure it?. There's nothing better around? Ace of Penquins is probably best described as functional ;) but, who needs 'looks' in card games anyway? There is however a set of icons being produced, slowly, for it. \o/ PDF viewers: i'm with Rafael on this, Evince is the best choice there is (besides, it can read a lot of formats, not only pdf ;) Evince does appear to be the most functional of PDF reader on Linux. xscreensaver makes my installations crash on every old computer i own, i already said this on the mailing list: it's heavy and it consumes energy displaying something fancy on the screen instead of just a black screen or turn it off (clearly i don't like it...); but it locks the screen, so it's necessary. I have nothing nice to say about
