Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Chromium & Flash

[Phillip Whiteside]

Hi,

Okay, I can leave that bit out, it is just I know that set of instructions
work so am not to blame if it does not work for the next peron ;-)

Regards,

Phill.


On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Chow Loong Jin  wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 21:04:08 +0100
> Phillip Whiteside  wrote:
>
> > Hi gang,
> >
> > I know the chromium team are working on in-built flash support, until
> > that happens and lubuntu ships it, can I pop on the instructions from
> >
> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-enable-flash-support-for-google-chromium-browser.html
> > over
> > onto the wiki help area, i'm guessing 'Advanced Users' would be the
> > place for it.
> >
> > First you need to make sure you have installed chromium browser
> >
> > Now you need to install flash using the following command
> >
> > sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
> >
> > Now you need to copy libflashplayer.so file into
> > /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins directory
> >
> > sudo cp /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so
> > /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins
>
> I don't think it's necessary to copy the .so file around. Chromium
> automatically searches in the mozilla plugins' directories as
> well.
>
> > [...]
>
> --
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> Chow Loong Jin
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release)

[Goh Lip]

On 06/28/2010 04:31 AM, Abnormal Terminate(R) wrote:

Hi for all !




Once again, I'm sorry for possibly overly emotional tone of my remarks!
Sincerely,


AT, I am also not a native english speaker, but that does not absolve us 
of the need for correct usage of terminology, and it cannot justify our 
use of profanities or improper manners, but all the same, glad to see 
your post.


Now lets get down to cleaning up the mess, if it is still an issue that 
you need the external drive for booting up your desktop system. If that 
is no longer the issue, you can ignore the rest of this post.


Some summary/assumptions...
o Lubuntu is at external drive and the grub is set to desktop hard drive 
mbr.
o You have at least one linux distro using grub2 boot at the the desktop 
system.


Boot up the desktop linux distro with the external drive plugged in.
At the terminal of that linux distro, type the following...
sudo grub-install /dev/sda

Done.


You will then be able to boot up your desktop system without the 
external drive attached. You will also be able to see an option to boot 
the Lubuntu OS at the desktop grub itself, and it can boot Lubuntu (if 
the external drive is attached).


Hope this clears up the issue, and if you have other issues or if the 
assumptions are not correct, please revert.


Regards - Goh Lip




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[Lubuntu-desktop] Can we have a screen to select several optioinal apps during installation?

[PCMan]

As the title,
I'm always thinking about this.
Can we have a screen to select several optioinal apps during installation?
For example, before the installation begins, let the user choose the
file manager and office suite they want.
So people can choose from firefox, midori, or chromium. Also they can
choose from OpenOffice.org and Abiword/GNumeric.
In this way, we can make the users happier, I think.
Of course ease of installation is important, but even Windows intaller
provided some degree of customization.
Can we do that?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-list] LXAdmin, a collection of little applications to manage settings on LXDE

[PCMan]

When you get them working well, please get us informed.
It's my pleasure to create a git repo for you on http://sf.net/projects/lxde.
It's easy to pull your work form github then.

Great job! Thank you all.

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:45 AM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:
> Le dimanche 27 juin 2010 à 17:51 +0200, Andrea Florio a écrit :
>> i know you use ubuntu so launchpad looks your first choice, but if we
>> move that things on sourceforge i see real reasons to keep the work
>> spread on sourceforge,gitub,launchpad.. just use 1 thing.
>>
>> in other words, i agree on moving that to our sourceforge git repos,
>> but
>> i don't agree to have the same stuff mirrored on github and
>> launchpad.
>
> I used github because I don't have commit access to the sourceforge
> git :) No reason to keep it if it's hosted on sourceforge.
>
> For Launchpad, it's mirrored and converted to bzr, to be able to use
> features on Launchpad (it's doesn't support git), like the deb building.
> The purpose is not to push code there.
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Slideshow for Lubuntu installation

[Yorvyk]

On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 14:05:21 +0200
Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I need help :)
> 
> Currently, there is no slideshow when you install Lubuntu. Technically,
> it shouldn't be a problem. But we need some text to put on the slides :)
> I set up a wiki page for this, with proposal of slides :
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/Slideshow
> 
> I need some feedback about them : 
> - if importants features are missing in the slideshow
> - if other slides are necessary, or if some are not needed
> - proposal for content of each slide
> 
> Just a note, we are not sure which music player we will ship, so no need
> to add one for this yet.
> 
> It will be nice to have the content ready quickly, to be able to
> translate it in many languages.
> 
> Code if people want to test :
> https://code.launchpad.net/~gilir/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/lubuntu
> Start ./test-slideshow.sh to test it.
> 
> Comments are welcome :)
> 
I get the following when I try to run it :-

st...@cover:~/lubuntu$ ./test-slideshow.sh
mkdir -p ./build
cp -rL ./slideshows/lubuntu ./build
** Message: pygobject_register_sinkfunc is deprecated (GtkWindow)
** Message: pygobject_register_sinkfunc is deprecated (GtkInvisible)
** Message: pygobject_register_sinkfunc is deprecated (GtkObject)
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./Slideshow.py", line 5, in 
import webkit
ImportError: No module named webkit
st...@cover:~/lubuntu$

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release)

[Abnormal Terminate(R)]

Hi for all !
Excuse me, I was not able a time to answer before: yesterday and today
I did not use email... : (
I have reading the entire thread, see the disparity of views, even far
from a complete understanding of the situation that I described in the
topic (my letter, who that triggered this discussion).
I must confess that I wrote this topic in the middle of night -- after
a couple of hours of fucking with my PC; and it's main point,
eliminating the effects of my Install the Lubuntu 10.04 Release.
Hence, because of fatigue and irritation, my definition or formulating
not clearly (addition issue, my English is not my native language).
But it's possible harshness remarks about just stupidity of my
situation. ("Nothing Personally" (c)...)
But I'm sure if every one of you in the middle of the night came in
the same situation, I am "ready to give teeth" :) that you would use
no less harsh vocabulary... ;)
Now, I shall little more speak on the merits.
As first, the main problem is not that, I quote:
"If he wants to permanently attach this external to his system and let
the system select the option to boot, he can boot up the computer OS,
assuming it is a Linus distro, and do a "sudo grub-install /dev/sda"
on it. Then it will detect the Lubuntu OS on the external and make it
one of the option to boot"
The main problem, as basic, in the fact that OS Installer decided for
me automatically record MBR to a defaults choosed device! Write it as
default, it was choosed sda device. Thus is cause to violating for
normally booting of my Boot Manager, which I has remained on the
primary (such is sda) device, uses for booting many OSs on my PC.
When the fact, at the time, my choosing disk to Install Lubuntu, --
and I just chose as a target to install my new OS just sdb device, --
this is not a cause (say it mildly) to recording MBR to primary
device; and this Installer' behavior is strongly surprised for me
(IMHO, and for other users too).
Especially in combination with the completely correct placement of the
Grub -- into sdb device and on the sdb1 partition. (Now, this is just
automatic choising -- it's automatically on Lubuntu 10.04, opposed to
it from Lucid Ubuntu 10.04, which if remember I asked to choose
accommodation boot -- but this choosing for Grub' placement is quite
reasonable and it's predictable for any users.)
Therefore, a statement in this discussion:
"I do not think it is a bug and I think it is a more fundamental issue
of where he puts his grub..."
- It is correct not reflection of the understanding 'global' situation
about OS' booting, of this community.
For me, the user never been given a choice: haven't choice of where to
write Grub; nor, especially, the possibility of manual selection
strategy, critical to the successful resolution of a potentially
dangerous and destructive operation - the location (device) to record
MBR...
So, second and most important, IMHO.
If the OS' Installer asks user to manually select a location for
recording MBR or even refuse to record it, then this case did not
there would be described by this "strange" situation (now I'm trying
to soften my expression).
In practice, this might look like this:
(*) Use /dev/sda (default)
( ) Use /dev/sdb
... / / Depend of lenght the list for presents devices...
( ) Not recording the MBR.
For my specific needs, I would choose the last point.
And I remember that several months ago under Xbuntu 10.04 Installer
was be present my this 'true way', and because it I can allowed it not
overwrite my MBR, when I has Installation on my main device. When I
use this OSs on quite complex combination of hard drives on my PC...
Third and last. In the last one year or two, we have rather tendency
to uses "automation" of various operations, including installing and
configuring the OS. This would be very good way, but if it permit
known causes:
(a) always for any users would be choose to left it and uses manually
intervene this process (have an obvious way to do it);
(b) when chooses automatic settings of the algorithm does not rely
just to the "typical" situation, and only typical as standard
"environment" of PCs, but would have investigated the operating PC'
environment to automatically adjust it, and while the algorithm would
continue to exercise it only when collected environmental data on the
PC will only unequivocally accept just correct solutions. For any
other cases, the user should be offered opportunity to make own
choices just manually. But the automatically collected information
would provide extremely to useful for this user's choices!
(By the way, does not wanting to my brag, I'm wrote it unequivocally:
I had programmer and I active PC user with experience almost 20 years.
And I've seen a lot of rich practice. And in my professional work
stick to just those rules that are outlined above. However, I have
been never still just Linux programming experience, haven't common
software developing for Linux, and simply therefore do not have
capabilities --

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Chromium & Flash

[Chow Loong Jin]

On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 21:04:08 +0100
Phillip Whiteside  wrote:

> Hi gang,
> 
> I know the chromium team are working on in-built flash support, until
> that happens and lubuntu ships it, can I pop on the instructions from
> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-enable-flash-support-for-google-chromium-browser.html
> over
> onto the wiki help area, i'm guessing 'Advanced Users' would be the
> place for it.
> 
> First you need to make sure you have installed chromium browser
> 
> Now you need to install flash using the following command
> 
> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
> 
> Now you need to copy libflashplayer.so file into
> /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins directory
> 
> sudo cp /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so
> /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins

I don't think it's necessary to copy the .so file around. Chromium
automatically searches in the mozilla plugins' directories as
well.

> [...]

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] FW: Another interesting music player

[Phillip Whiteside]

Hi,

I'm not quite sure how I got involved in this thread but
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1503749 does tell me something more
that deadbeef can do, heck I'm really impressed  :-)

I do recall one of the provisos for using a programme is that it be in the
ubuntu repo's - How does one go about getting a programme into the repo? I
know I will need to contact the author, but I would need to let him know
what ubuntu requires and ask if he / she wants to proceed.

Regards,

Phill.

On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Glenn de Groot
wrote:

>  Xnoise just got a ppa:
>
> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/06/xnoise-media-player-gets-ppa-new.html
>
>
> -Glenn
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Chromium & Flash

[Phillip Whiteside]

Hi gang,

I know the chromium team are working on in-built flash support, until that
happens and lubuntu ships it, can I pop on the instructions from
http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-enable-flash-support-for-google-chromium-browser.html
over
onto the wiki help area, i'm guessing 'Advanced Users' would be the place
for it.

First you need to make sure you have installed chromium browser

Now you need to install flash using the following command

sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree

Now you need to copy libflashplayer.so file into
/usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins directory

sudo cp /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so
/usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins

Now you can run the chromium browser using the following command from
terminal

chromium-browser --enable-plugins

to test it, to keep that setting,

Go to  the menu, select Internet --> and right click on Chromium Browser,
select Properties and change where it says 'command'

from

chromium-browser %U

to

chromium-browser -- enable-plugins %U

Regards,

Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] artwork updated

[神癒礁湖 · Rafael Laguna]

Sorry, my fault. Link added.

Or here.







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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] artwork updated

[Yorvyk]

On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 23:40:01 +0200
Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Le samedi 26 juin 2010 à 21:31 +0200, 神癒礁湖 · Rafael Laguna a écrit :
> > Hi again, boys and girls:
> > 
> > I've updated (again and again, don't care, it's my job) the artwork
> > "for testing purposes only":
> > 
> >   * The GTK theme now is based on last Clearlooks engine, that
> > does't use GDK, it's Cairo based, even more spedd than using
> > Murrina engine. It was a request from a few users, they told
> > me not to use too many engines (Aurora, Murrine, etc) to keep
> > Lubuntu simple and fast. 
> >   * The wallpaper is now just a variation from the 10.04 one,
> > according (fully agree) with the "classic" Lubuntu style. 
> >   * The Openbox theme has been polished a bit (and GTK theme
> > matches aswell). 
> >   * ...more and amazing changes to come! :)
> > 
> > Please, feel free to test and comment / criticize your suggestions.
> > 
> > Thank you all.
> 
> With the link :
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork/Incoming/Maverick/LxDesign
> 
> Thanks Rafael :)
> 
Where do I download the GTK theme, I can’t see it anywhere.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-list] LXAdmin, a collection of little applications to manage settings on LXDE

[Julien Lavergne]

Le dimanche 27 juin 2010 à 17:51 +0200, Andrea Florio a écrit :
> i know you use ubuntu so launchpad looks your first choice, but if we
> move that things on sourceforge i see real reasons to keep the work
> spread on sourceforge,gitub,launchpad.. just use 1 thing.
> 
> in other words, i agree on moving that to our sourceforge git repos,
> but
> i don't agree to have the same stuff mirrored on github and
> launchpad. 

I used github because I don't have commit access to the sourceforge
git :) No reason to keep it if it's hosted on sourceforge.

For Launchpad, it's mirrored and converted to bzr, to be able to use
features on Launchpad (it's doesn't support git), like the deb building.
The purpose is not to push code there.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LXAdmin, a collection of little applications to manage settings on LXDE

[Julien Lavergne]

Le dimanche 27 juin 2010 à 17:04 +0100, Yorvyk a écrit :
> Am I missing something here or should there be a new entry, or two, in
> the menu?

I forgot to mention, each application is separate in a different deb.
lxadmin is only the commons files :

lxadmin common files for lxadmin utilities
lxcc utility to start various configuration tools
lxdmconf utility to change lxdm options
lxfontconfig utility to change font options
lxkeyboardconf utility to change keyboard layout
lxproxy utility to change proxy options
lxscreenshot utility to take screenshot
lxservices utility to manage services
openbox-keyconf utility to change openbox keyboard configuration

Maybe I'll change the name of the packages, and make lxadmin a
meta-package to install all the utilities.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LXAdmin, a collection of little applications to manage settings on LXDE

[Yorvyk]

On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 11:23:44 +0200
Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Based on the Sidux applications, and 1 other from Lubuntu community,
> LXAdmin is a collection of little python applications to manage some
> settings and some tasks on LXDE. Basically, I gathered them in 1 place,
> added autotools support and gettext support, and some basic support for
> different distributions. There is still no big modification between them
> and original applications.
> 
> You can find it in the git tree :
> http://github.com/gilir/LXAdmin
> It's mirrored on Launchpad : https://launchpad.net/lxadmin
> Packages for Ubuntu available in the PPA :
> https://launchpad.net/~lxadmin-team/+archive/testing
> 
> It's still quite focus on Debian/Ubuntu, but I'm sure it can be extended
> to other distributions.
> 
> It also needs improvements, like when it needs root rights. But, it's
> already useful in some cases.
> 
> It's developed with git, so it's possible to host it on lxde git if you
> want :)
> 
> I would like also to begin an experiment with it : activate Launchpad
> translation support, and see if it's bring more contributors. I would
> like to see if it's interesting of not to use Launchpad for this.
> 
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
> 
Am I missing something here or should there be a new entry, or two, in the menu?


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release)

[Goh Lip]

On 06/27/2010 09:30 PM, Andrew Woodhead wrote:

I'd just like to add one thing that EVERYBODY is forgettin

GRUB IS NOT THE *ONLY* BOOTLOADER

Try LILO, It is a perfectly fine bootloader, or am I just thinking
outside the box here and being too radical. Just because Grub is default
in Ubuntu doesn't mean it is the best solution. You could also try BURG

-Andy



Good luck?

Goh Lip

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release)

[Goh Lip]

On 06/27/2010 11:04 PM, Quynh Vu Do wrote:

Hi,

2010/6/27 Goh Lip mailto:g@gmx.com>>

On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 09:57:05 +0700

Quynh, first, please read my post on the Lubuntu mailing list.

http://www.mail-archive.com/lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net/msg01347.html


Quynh, if there is any specific thing you want to bring up after
reading my post, please feel free to address it. As of this message, I
do not see any thing specific to address.


The only thing I could add is when I install to an USB stick is to
choose ext2 af file systems. I also don't use swap partitions to
economize disk space on the USB device (usually 4-8 GB).



Yes, I too don't add a swap partition to the usb drive, and generally 
speaking, it's not required for ram of 1 GB and above, except for 
hybernate and sleep. But, I use ext4 in the usb drive for Lubuntu, 
though. A good thing to do for ext4 at external drive is to add 
'noatime' at the fstab for /.




I must add that I'm using Ubuntu Netbook Edition 10.04 (Acer Aspire One
with one 8 GB SSD, ext2 file system) and Ubuntu Desktop (Acer laptops +
clone desktops, ext3 file systems).




That's quite some system you have.

Regards and take care - Goh Lip



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-list] LXAdmin, a collection of little applications to manage settings on LXDE

[Andrea Florio]

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Hash: SHA1

great job, the sidux versions are useful but IMHO the bad part is that
they need .moo txt files for translations instead of gettext poes...

using gettext is a big improvmen.

i know you use ubuntu so launchpad looks your first choice, but if we
move that things on sourceforge i see real reasons to keep the work
spread on sourceforge,gitub,launchpad.. just use 1 thing.

in other words, i agree on moving that to our sourceforge git repos, but
i don't agree to have the same stuff mirrored on github and launchpad.

just my 2 cents
Andrea

Il 27/06/2010 11:23, Julien Lavergne ha scritto:
> Hi,
> 
> Based on the Sidux applications, and 1 other from Lubuntu community,
> LXAdmin is a collection of little python applications to manage some
> settings and some tasks on LXDE. Basically, I gathered them in 1 place,
> added autotools support and gettext support, and some basic support for
> different distributions. There is still no big modification between them
> and original applications.
> 
> You can find it in the git tree :
> http://github.com/gilir/LXAdmin
> It's mirrored on Launchpad : https://launchpad.net/lxadmin
> Packages for Ubuntu available in the PPA :
> https://launchpad.net/~lxadmin-team/+archive/testing
> 
> It's still quite focus on Debian/Ubuntu, but I'm sure it can be extended
> to other distributions.
> 
> It also needs improvements, like when it needs root rights. But, it's
> already useful in some cases.
> 
> It's developed with git, so it's possible to host it on lxde git if you
> want :)
> 
> I would like also to begin an experiment with it : activate Launchpad
> translation support, and see if it's bring more contributors. I would
> like to see if it's interesting of not to use Launchpad for this.
> 
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release)

[Quynh Vu Do]

Hi,

2010/6/27 Goh Lip 

> On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 09:57:05 +0700
>
> Quynh, first, please read my post on the Lubuntu mailing list.
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net/msg01347.html
>
>
> Quynh, if there is any specific thing you want to bring up after
> reading my post, please feel free to address it. As of this message, I
> do not see any thing specific to address.
>
>
The only thing I could add is when I install to an USB stick is to choose
ext2 af file systems. I also don't use swap partitions to economize disk
space on the USB device (usually 4-8 GB).

I must add that I'm using Ubuntu Netbook Edition 10.04 (Acer Aspire One with
one 8 GB SSD, ext2 file system) and Ubuntu Desktop (Acer laptops + clone
desktops, ext3 file systems).

Regards


-- 
Vu Do Quynh (M.)
Hanoi, Vietnam
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release)

[Andrew Woodhead]

I'd just like to add one thing that EVERYBODY is forgettin

GRUB IS NOT THE *ONLY* BOOTLOADER

Try LILO, It is a perfectly fine bootloader, or am I just thinking
outside the box here and being too radical. Just because Grub is default
in Ubuntu doesn't mean it is the best solution. You could also try BURG

-Andy



On Sun, 2010-06-27 at 08:33 +0100, Phillip Whiteside wrote:
> hi Goh,
> 
> 
> yes, there is, it is not a dell issue, as is clearly explained, also
> the work around for a bug that one of the
> devs https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/496435/comments/6  
> says is not fully tested, the consensus of those who are dealing with 
> problems over at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1516153 is still to 
> use still to use  "dpkg-reconfigure" and not apt-get etc.
> 
> 
> I'm awaiting the guy who writes up a lot of documentation that we mere
> mortals use to refer to in order to have a chat with him, I have a
> strong sense that he will also shrug his shoulders and say that the
> grub team have messed up (again) and to continue to use the
> dpkg-reconfigure option. I recall that grub2 came out and totally
> broke RAID support. They have been playing catch up ever since. Given
> the chance, I'd use burg as it is more pro-active and re-active to
> problems.
> 
> 
> I really do not know why we are arguing over this? Grub 2 can cause
> major problems when there is more than one hard disk involved - that
> is beyond dispute. In 9.10 it cannot support RAID, with 10.04 we got a
> newer version that gave some RAID support, but they would not back
> port it, when 10.04 came out it had a big fall out with Win7. - that
> is still a 'work around'. 
> 
> 
> Such a basic part of *nix should not need 'work-arounds', n00bs will
> not that there is one - It must be sorted out.
> 
> 
> Should not we be trying to help the OP, it is quite evident there is a
> problem and people get annoyed over having their computer in a non
> booting mode? Regardless of any sleek looking graphics, let us not
> fall into the trap that Microsoft did with Service Pack 2 for XP. When
> we do tempt people over to *nix, if their first introduction to it is
> a broken system they will not only never come back, they will tell
> everyone that *nix breaks computers. That is not acceptable, we are in
> the hands of the Grub people - so people should complain there and we
> should ensure that people asking why lubuntu does not work in such
> situations are clearly told that it is not a fault of lubuntu.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> Phill.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Goh Lip  wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 06:12:35 +0100
> Phillip Whiteside  wrote:
> 
> 
> > Goh,
> >
> > I'm not quite sure how to explain this to you?
> >
> > Rule #1 You install *buntu it works, if it does not work it
> does not
> > break anything.
> >
> > At present it can totally break things. There is no point
> arguing
> > over it, just go see the forum area for people for whom it
> has broken
> > there is no point saying that it is does not, as there are a
> lot of
> > people saying that it does.
> >
> > The problems with grub2 and Win7 were bad enough under the
> 'older'
> > grub2. You do not seem to have read through that thread
> fully
> >
> > some links to read,
> 
> 
> Phillip, have read your links above. To add, there are some
> problems
> not in your links related to Dell's recovery system, raid, lvm
> and
> others...but not to denigrate your specific issue which is
> the
> failure to install by "install grub-pc" and you have found
> success by "sudo apt-get install grub-pc";  yes, you're right,
> I cannot
> see the point arguing that it should just work with "install
> grub-pc"
> and not just "sudo apt-get install grub-pc". You do not seem
> to have
> read how to use 'sudo' and 'apt-get' rather than understanding
> how to
> install grub.
> 
> Are there any more specific issues with grub you like to bring
> up
> rather than saying I haven't read fully?
> 
> 
> Goh Lip
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] artwork updated

[Jaeic Lee]

Looks awesome, shame that It's unlikely that I'll be around when 10.10 comes
out :(

2010/6/27 Julien Lavergne 

> Le samedi 26 juin 2010 à 21:31 +0200, 神癒礁湖 · Rafael Laguna a écrit :
> > Hi again, boys and girls:
> >
> > I've updated (again and again, don't care, it's my job) the artwork
> > "for testing purposes only":
> >
> >   * The GTK theme now is based on last Clearlooks engine, that
> > does't use GDK, it's Cairo based, even more spedd than using
> > Murrina engine. It was a request from a few users, they told
> > me not to use too many engines (Aurora, Murrine, etc) to keep
> > Lubuntu simple and fast.
> >   * The wallpaper is now just a variation from the 10.04 one,
> > according (fully agree) with the "classic" Lubuntu style.
> >   * The Openbox theme has been polished a bit (and GTK theme
> > matches aswell).
> >   * ...more and amazing changes to come! :)
> >
> > Please, feel free to test and comment / criticize your suggestions.
> >
> > Thank you all.
>
> With the link :
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork/Incoming/Maverick/LxDesign
>
> Thanks Rafael :)
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Slideshow for Lubuntu installation

[Julien Lavergne]

Hi,

I need help :)

Currently, there is no slideshow when you install Lubuntu. Technically,
it shouldn't be a problem. But we need some text to put on the slides :)
I set up a wiki page for this, with proposal of slides :
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/Slideshow

I need some feedback about them : 
- if importants features are missing in the slideshow
- if other slides are necessary, or if some are not needed
- proposal for content of each slide

Just a note, we are not sure which music player we will ship, so no need
to add one for this yet.

It will be nice to have the content ready quickly, to be able to
translate it in many languages.

Code if people want to test :
https://code.launchpad.net/~gilir/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/lubuntu
Start ./test-slideshow.sh to test it.

Comments are welcome :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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[Lubuntu-desktop] LXAdmin, a collection of little applications to manage settings on LXDE

[Julien Lavergne]

Hi,

Based on the Sidux applications, and 1 other from Lubuntu community,
LXAdmin is a collection of little python applications to manage some
settings and some tasks on LXDE. Basically, I gathered them in 1 place,
added autotools support and gettext support, and some basic support for
different distributions. There is still no big modification between them
and original applications.

You can find it in the git tree :
http://github.com/gilir/LXAdmin
It's mirrored on Launchpad : https://launchpad.net/lxadmin
Packages for Ubuntu available in the PPA :
https://launchpad.net/~lxadmin-team/+archive/testing

It's still quite focus on Debian/Ubuntu, but I'm sure it can be extended
to other distributions.

It also needs improvements, like when it needs root rights. But, it's
already useful in some cases.

It's developed with git, so it's possible to host it on lxde git if you
want :)

I would like also to begin an experiment with it : activate Launchpad
translation support, and see if it's bring more contributors. I would
like to see if it's interesting of not to use Launchpad for this.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne




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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release)

[Goh Lip]

On 06/27/2010 04:39 PM, Goh Lip wrote:

On 06/27/2010 03:33 PM, Phillip Whiteside wrote:

hi Goh,

yes, there is, it is *not* a dell issue, as is clearly explained, also
the work around for a bug that one of the devs


A small point not included in my previous post, it is resolved by 
removing Dell DataSafe , refer 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/482757


But then again, I wonder why are we talking about this? Is it affecting 
you? Are you bringing up all these issues to justify why grub is 
unusable to the majority of users? That you want to to remove it? Use 
burg? LILO, anyone?


Goh Lip


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release)

[Goh Lip]

On 06/27/2010 03:33 PM, Phillip Whiteside wrote:

hi Goh,

yes, there is, it is *not* a dell issue, as is clearly explained, also
the work around for a bug that one of the devs
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/496435/comments/6  says
is not fully tested, the consensus of those who are dealing with
problems over at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1516153 is
still to use still to use "dpkg-reconfigure" and not apt-get etc.


First, alpha versions are not for Newbies, these are for people who are 
helping to test and report bugs. Problems with alpha's are to be 
expected. People are always reminded non-final releases are not meant 
for production and tend to break. So if someone complains his alpha 
version is buggy and the developers are not doing their job, you know 
where they should be told to go.





I'm awaiting the guy who writes up a lot of documentation that we mere
mortals use to refer to in order to have a chat with him, I have a
strong sense that he will also shrug his shoulders and say that the grub
team have messed up (again) and to continue to use the dpkg-reconfigure
option. I recall that grub2 came out and totally broke RAID support.
They have been playing catch up ever since. Given the chance, I'd use
burg as it is more pro-active and re-active to problems.





I really do not know why we are arguing over this? Grub 2 can cause
major problems when there is more than one hard disk involved - that is
beyond dispute. In 9.10 it cannot support RAID, with 10.04 we got a
newer version that gave some RAID support, but they would not back port
it, when 10.04 came out it had a big fall out with Win7. - that is still
a 'work around'.


Raid/LVM issues are settled as of...
http://grub.enbug.org/LVMandRAID
and can't you do a simple "grub-install --root-directory=." (with 
sudo of course) instead as 'backport'?




Such a basic part of *nix should not need 'work-arounds', n00bs will not
that there is one - It must be sorted out.

Should not we be trying to help the OP, it is quite evident there is a
problem and people get annoyed over having their computer in a non
booting mode? Regardless of any sleek looking graphics, let us not fall
into the trap that Microsoft did with Service Pack 2 for XP. When we do
tempt people over to *nix, if their first introduction to it is a broken
system they will not only never come back, they will tell everyone that
*nix breaks computers. That is not acceptable, we are in the hands of
the Grub people - so people should complain there and we should ensure
that people asking why lubuntu does not work in such situations are
clearly told that it is not a fault of lubuntu.


Yes, we should always try to help anyone who needs help. Even with 
people on maverick alpha #one#. (That's where it's at, my goodness). But 
to have a problem and to lash out is not acceptable, even with final 
released versions.



Phillip, if you are the 'philinux' at 
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1516153  you should be in a 
position to understand this more than others. I am surprised that this 
needs even be mentioned.

If you are not, then I reiterate some basic points

o Alpha versions are not meant for production, and tend to break. It is 
*not* recommended for 'normal' use but experienced users are welcome to 
*test* and report any bugs. Bear in mind it may render the whole system 
unusable and a complete reinstall may be necessary.


o A basic code of conduct on *ubuntu's mailing list can be found at
http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists
http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
I suggest a reread and adherence to it.

o This mailing list is to ask for help and to provide it. Not to rant, 
troll or ...


Phillip, or Quynh, again, is there any specific grub issue affecting you 
that you want addressed? I may not have all the answers and perhaps a 
bug report may indeed needed be filed, but what is it that needs to be 
brought up?


Goh Lip






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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release)

[Phillip Whiteside]

hi Goh,

yes, there is, it is *not* a dell issue, as is clearly explained, also the
work around for a bug that one of the devs
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/496435/comments/6  says
is not fully tested, the consensus of those who are dealing with problems
over at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1516153 is still to use
still to use  "dpkg-reconfigure" and not apt-get etc.

I'm awaiting the guy who writes up a lot of documentation that we mere
mortals use to refer to in order to have a chat with him, I have a strong
sense that he will also shrug his shoulders and say that the grub team have
messed up (again) and to continue to use the dpkg-reconfigure option. I
recall that grub2 came out and totally broke RAID support. They have been
playing catch up ever since. Given the chance, I'd use burg as it is more
pro-active and re-active to problems.

I really do not know why we are arguing over this? Grub 2 can cause major
problems when there is more than one hard disk involved - that is beyond
dispute. In 9.10 it cannot support RAID, with 10.04 we got a newer version
that gave some RAID support, but they would not back port it, when 10.04
came out it had a big fall out with Win7. - that is still a 'work around'.

Such a basic part of *nix should not need 'work-arounds', n00bs will not
that there is one - It must be sorted out.

Should not we be trying to help the OP, it is quite evident there is a
problem and people get annoyed over having their computer in a non booting
mode? Regardless of any sleek looking graphics, let us not fall into the
trap that Microsoft did with Service Pack 2 for XP. When we do tempt people
over to *nix, if their first introduction to it is a broken system they will
not only never come back, they will tell everyone that *nix breaks
computers. That is not acceptable, we are in the hands of the Grub people -
so people should complain there and we should ensure that people asking why
lubuntu does not work in such situations are clearly told that it is not a
fault of lubuntu.

Regards,

Phill.

On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Goh Lip  wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 06:12:35 +0100
> Phillip Whiteside  wrote:
>
> > Goh,
> >
> > I'm not quite sure how to explain this to you?
> >
> > Rule #1 You install *buntu it works, if it does not work it does not
> > break anything.
> >
> > At present it can totally break things. There is no point arguing
> > over it, just go see the forum area for people for whom it has broken
> > there is no point saying that it is does not, as there are a lot of
> > people saying that it does.
> >
> > The problems with grub2 and Win7 were bad enough under the 'older'
> > grub2. You do not seem to have read through that thread fully
> >
> > some links to read,
>
> Phillip, have read your links above. To add, there are some problems
> not in your links related to Dell's recovery system, raid, lvm and
> others...but not to denigrate your specific issue which is the
> failure to install by "install grub-pc" and you have found
> success by "sudo apt-get install grub-pc";  yes, you're right, I cannot
> see the point arguing that it should just work with "install grub-pc"
> and not just "sudo apt-get install grub-pc". You do not seem to have
> read how to use 'sudo' and 'apt-get' rather than understanding how to
> install grub.
>
> Are there any more specific issues with grub you like to bring up
> rather than saying I haven't read fully?
>
> Goh Lip
>
>
>
>
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