Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Chromium & Flash

2010-06-28 Thread Jaeic Lee
That's how it is for me too, I just have to install the plugin and chromium
picks it up automatically.

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Steve  wrote:

> On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 08:33 -0400, Bob Trevithick wrote:
> > If for some reason Chromium doesn't pick up the copy of the plugin in
> > the mozilla directory, maybe making a symbolic link would be a better
> > option?  That way any updates would automatically be applied to
> > Chromium's version, and there's less disk wasted?  --Bob
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Chow Loong Jin 
> wrote:
> > > On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:19:17 +0100
> > > Andrew Woodhead  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Just copy it to /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins
> > >
> > > And run chromium-browser with --enable-plugins. (Unless I'm outdated
> > > and it's enabled by default now).
> > >
> > > --
> > > Kind regards,
> > > Chow Loong Jin
> > >
> Unless I’m missing something, all I did was ensure the Partner
> Repository was enabled and did an 'apt-get adobe-flashplugin'. Start
> Chromium and flash functions OK.  This was on a clean Lucid install.
>
>
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[Lubuntu-desktop] lubuntu programs

2010-06-28 Thread 神癒礁湖 · Rafael Laguna
Two doubts:

Will Catfish included in the next release?

And will be the language issue solved? Some novell users found this
annoying and difficult.

Thank you.







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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Chromium & Flash

2010-06-28 Thread Steve
On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 08:33 -0400, Bob Trevithick wrote: 
> If for some reason Chromium doesn't pick up the copy of the plugin in
> the mozilla directory, maybe making a symbolic link would be a better
> option?  That way any updates would automatically be applied to
> Chromium's version, and there's less disk wasted?  --Bob
> 
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Chow Loong Jin  wrote:
> > On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:19:17 +0100
> > Andrew Woodhead  wrote:
> >
> >> Just copy it to /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins
> >
> > And run chromium-browser with --enable-plugins. (Unless I'm outdated
> > and it's enabled by default now).
> >
> > --
> > Kind regards,
> > Chow Loong Jin
> >
Unless I’m missing something, all I did was ensure the Partner
Repository was enabled and did an 'apt-get adobe-flashplugin'. Start
Chromium and flash functions OK.  This was on a clean Lucid install.



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LXAdmin, a collection of little applications to manage settings on LXDE

2010-06-28 Thread Steve
On Sun, 2010-06-27 at 18:40 +0200, Julien Lavergne wrote: 
> Le dimanche 27 juin 2010 à 17:04 +0100, Yorvyk a écrit :
> > Am I missing something here or should there be a new entry, or two, in
> > the menu?
> 
> I forgot to mention, each application is separate in a different deb.
> lxadmin is only the commons files :
> 
> lxadmin common files for lxadmin utilities
> lxcc utility to start various configuration tools
> lxdmconf utility to change lxdm options
> lxfontconfig utility to change font options
> lxkeyboardconf utility to change keyboard layout
> lxproxy utility to change proxy options
> lxscreenshot utility to take screenshot
> lxservices utility to manage services
> openbox-keyconf utility to change openbox keyboard configuration
> 
> Maybe I'll change the name of the packages, and make lxadmin a
> meta-package to install all the utilities.
> 
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
> 
Thanks, makes sense now.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release)

2010-06-28 Thread Goh Lip

On 06/28/2010 05:23 PM, Richard Austin wrote:

Yorvyk - I stand corrected on Grub 2 being in Alpha - I hadn't realised it came 
out of beta.
Goh - I wasn't criticising Grub 2 since I have had no problems with it myself. I have 
heard others have and particularly with external drives as you mentioned. Since an awful 
lot of people are going to "give Linux a try" on an external drive it is not 
too good that it will most likely fail.



Yes, I know that, Richard. Thought I add more reading material for you.
And yes, I was very impressed with grub2. The objections to it when it 
was first introduced was high, but I understand the reactions as the 
documentation for it was almost non-existent. And menu.lst is far far 
easier to modify and still is.




I do remember LILO - never did get it to work reliably myself. My first try at 
Linux wasn't successful because of it as I recall and I had to use Windows at 
the time because of a course I was taking. As a result I didn't properly adopt 
Linux until about 3 years ago. Now you wont get me away from it - except at 
work where I have no choice cos everything is flaming Microsoft! When I get my 
own company running it will all be Linux and no Windows in sight thankyou!

Rich


The reason I mentioned LILO is that it is the major reason at that time 
why people trying out linux just gave up. I too almost invariably end up 
with a blinking cursor on a dark screen for any new installation.
With grub-legacy, it is much better but with systems with more than 1 
hard disk, it's usually a guessing game when modifying the menu.lst to 
try to boot. That's why people need to modify it continually. And when 
booting to external disk, it is always (hd0,1) and of course, that is in 
grub-speak, the first partition of the hard disk, never the external, 
and will not boot unless the menu.lst gets modified again.




Just glad to talk to someone who understands.

Regards and take care - Goh Lip

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Chromium & Flash

2010-06-28 Thread Bob Trevithick
If for some reason Chromium doesn't pick up the copy of the plugin in
the mozilla directory, maybe making a symbolic link would be a better
option?  That way any updates would automatically be applied to
Chromium's version, and there's less disk wasted?  --Bob

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Chow Loong Jin  wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:19:17 +0100
> Andrew Woodhead  wrote:
>
>> Just copy it to /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins
>
> And run chromium-browser with --enable-plugins. (Unless I'm outdated
> and it's enabled by default now).
>
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> Chow Loong Jin
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Chromium & Flash

2010-06-28 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:19:17 +0100
Andrew Woodhead  wrote:

> Just copy it to /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins

And run chromium-browser with --enable-plugins. (Unless I'm outdated
and it's enabled by default now).

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Chromium & Flash

2010-06-28 Thread Andrew Woodhead
Just copy it to /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins

Simples


On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 4:14 AM, Phillip Whiteside wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Okay, I can leave that bit out, it is just I know that set of instructions
> work so am not to blame if it does not work for the next peron ;-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 21:04:08 +0100
>> Phillip Whiteside  wrote:
>>
>> > Hi gang,
>> >
>> > I know the chromium team are working on in-built flash support, until
>> > that happens and lubuntu ships it, can I pop on the instructions from
>> >
>> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-enable-flash-support-for-google-chromium-browser.html
>> > over
>> > onto the wiki help area, i'm guessing 'Advanced Users' would be the
>> > place for it.
>> >
>> > First you need to make sure you have installed chromium browser
>> >
>> > Now you need to install flash using the following command
>> >
>> > sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
>> >
>> > Now you need to copy libflashplayer.so file into
>> > /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins directory
>> >
>> > sudo cp /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so
>> > /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins
>>
>> I don't think it's necessary to copy the .so file around. Chromium
>> automatically searches in the mozilla plugins' directories as
>> well.
>>
>> > [...]
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release)

2010-06-28 Thread Richard Austin
Yorvyk - I stand corrected on Grub 2 being in Alpha - I hadn't realised it came 
out of beta.
Goh - I wasn't criticising Grub 2 since I have had no problems with it myself. 
I have heard others have and particularly with external drives as you 
mentioned. Since an awful lot of people are going to "give Linux a try" on an 
external drive it is not too good that it will most likely fail.

I do remember LILO - never did get it to work reliably myself. My first try at 
Linux wasn't successful because of it as I recall and I had to use Windows at 
the time because of a course I was taking. As a result I didn't properly adopt 
Linux until about 3 years ago. Now you wont get me away from it - except at 
work where I have no choice cos everything is flaming Microsoft! When I get my 
own company running it will all be Linux and no Windows in sight thankyou!

Rich

On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 16:25:12 +0800
Goh Lip  wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 08:42:50 +0100
> Richard Austin  wrote:
> 
> > As Goh Lip said in one of his posts on this subject: Alpha versions
> > are not for newbies. Exactly why Canonical are shipping Grub 2 when
> > they know it isn't a full release I don't personally know. They have
> > their reasons i guess. I haven't had any issues myself with Grub but
> > then I'm not a newbie. I would be hesitant, however, to point a
> > newbie at a system where there is a chance it will break. They sure
> > as hell wont come back to *nix if it does.
> > I think that since there are issues with Grub it would be a good idea
> > to move away from it and use something which doesn't have issues.
> > Moaning at the LUbuntu team does no-one any good, and it really
> > annoys me when people complain about non-production versions of
> > software "breaking" - they haven't broken they have bugs which is why
> > they're in Alpha / Beta releases! If you can't fix it you shouldn't
> > have been using it - simple huh?
> > 
> > Rich
> 
> Richard, some of the reasoning to use grub2 can be found at 
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
> 
> Personally, and on top of these reasons, my take on it is
> o grub-legacy has not been maintained for a long time  (5 years?) 
>note others try to fill the void by super grub, etc.
> o the rescue mode to help boot  when parameters are wrong
> o the setting to (grub) boot by uuid instead of (hd0,x) and /dev/sdax
>where it will always be wrong with multiple disks
> o When booting from external disk, the partition will always be (hd0,1)
>regardless of actual allocation and grub-legacy will fail
> o modular construct where new innovations/additions need not require
>the whole grub system be rebuilt
> o ability to boot iso direct by looping, (useful to test alpha's
>without installing to hard disk) and other utility disks.
> o ability to handle raid and lvm, despite initial problems,
>(grub-legacy and definitely lilo could not.)
> 
> Richard, even at the introduction of grub2, it is far far superior to
> grub-legacy, and the only fault is the lack of documentation to assist
> users. Also many people are already familiar with grub-legacy and the
> ease to modify menu.lst makes using grub2 a harder task. It is always
> easier to learn a new task than to unlearn an old one.
> 
> Since you mentioned you are not a newbie, can you remember using
> LILO?   ;)  [roaring laughter]  LOL
> 
> Take care. Regards - Goh Lip
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> I'm frightened of the old ones.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] artwork updated

2010-06-28 Thread Yorvyk
On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 21:18:01 +0100
Phillip Whiteside  wrote:

> I'm glad it wasn't just me who couldn't find it :p
> 
Apart from the missing link, I think we could do with some instructions 
somewhere for installing themes so more people can test them.

> 
> Phill.
> 
> 
> 2010/6/27 神癒礁湖 ・ 
> 
> >  Sorry, my fault. Link added.
> >
> > Or 
> > here
> > .
> >
> >
> >   
> >
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Slideshow for Lubuntu installation

2010-06-28 Thread Yorvyk
On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 23:57:38 +0200
Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Le dimanche 27 juin 2010 à 21:41 +0100, Yorvyk a écrit :
> > ImportError: No module named webkit
> 
> sudo apt-get install python-webkit
> 
> ;)
> 
Working now. It dawned on me after I sent the mail.

I think Osmo should get a mention.

Do you want https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/Slideshow editing to 
provide some text or, suggestions in this thread?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Can we have a screen to select several optioinal apps during installation?

2010-06-28 Thread Yorvyk
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 06:43:01 +0800
PCMan  wrote:

> As the title,
> I'm always thinking about this.
> Can we have a screen to select several optioinal apps during installation?
> For example, before the installation begins, let the user choose the
> file manager and office suite they want.
> So people can choose from firefox, midori, or chromium. Also they can
> choose from OpenOffice.org and Abiword/GNumeric.
> In this way, we can make the users happier, I think.
> Of course ease of installation is important, but even Windows installer
> provided some degree of customization.
> Can we do that?
> 
While this sounds like a great idea, for a DVD release, aimed at users with a 
reasonable bit of knowledge.  I don’t think it is ideal for Lubuntu, with it’s 
stated aim of working on older, low resource machines.  Having seen the 
confusion the Windows browser chooser causes, giving that many options will 
only confuse many users, as they have no idea what the differences are between 
the options.  Most windows users I see installing anything always choose the 
default option.
Maybe the answer is, to give two options:

1. Lubuntu as it stands.
2. The desktop only, with no applications.

Remember, KISS


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release)

2010-06-28 Thread Goh Lip
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 08:42:50 +0100
Richard Austin  wrote:

> As Goh Lip said in one of his posts on this subject: Alpha versions
> are not for newbies. Exactly why Canonical are shipping Grub 2 when
> they know it isn't a full release I don't personally know. They have
> their reasons i guess. I haven't had any issues myself with Grub but
> then I'm not a newbie. I would be hesitant, however, to point a
> newbie at a system where there is a chance it will break. They sure
> as hell wont come back to *nix if it does.
> I think that since there are issues with Grub it would be a good idea
> to move away from it and use something which doesn't have issues.
> Moaning at the LUbuntu team does no-one any good, and it really
> annoys me when people complain about non-production versions of
> software "breaking" - they haven't broken they have bugs which is why
> they're in Alpha / Beta releases! If you can't fix it you shouldn't
> have been using it - simple huh?
> 
> Rich

Richard, some of the reasoning to use grub2 can be found at 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2

Personally, and on top of these reasons, my take on it is
o grub-legacy has not been maintained for a long time  (5 years?) 
   note others try to fill the void by super grub, etc.
o the rescue mode to help boot  when parameters are wrong
o the setting to (grub) boot by uuid instead of (hd0,x) and /dev/sdax
   where it will always be wrong with multiple disks
o When booting from external disk, the partition will always be (hd0,1)
   regardless of actual allocation and grub-legacy will fail
o modular construct where new innovations/additions need not require
   the whole grub system be rebuilt
o ability to boot iso direct by looping, (useful to test alpha's
   without installing to hard disk) and other utility disks.
o ability to handle raid and lvm, despite initial problems,
   (grub-legacy and definitely lilo could not.)

Richard, even at the introduction of grub2, it is far far superior to
grub-legacy, and the only fault is the lack of documentation to assist
users. Also many people are already familiar with grub-legacy and the
ease to modify menu.lst makes using grub2 a harder task. It is always
easier to learn a new task than to unlearn an old one.

Since you mentioned you are not a newbie, can you remember using
LILO?   ;)  [roaring laughter]  LOL

Take care. Regards - Goh Lip
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release)

2010-06-28 Thread Yorvyk
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 08:42:50 +0100
Richard Austin  wrote:

> As Goh Lip said in one of his posts on this subject: Alpha versions are 
> not for newbies. Exactly why Canonical are shipping Grub 2 when they 
> know it isn't a full release I don't personally know.
>
Grub2 came out of beta in October 2009.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release)

2010-06-28 Thread Richard Austin
As Goh Lip said in one of his posts on this subject: Alpha versions are 
not for newbies. Exactly why Canonical are shipping Grub 2 when they 
know it isn't a full release I don't personally know. They have their 
reasons i guess. I haven't had any issues myself with Grub but then I'm 
not a newbie. I would be hesitant, however, to point a newbie at a 
system where there is a chance it will break. They sure as hell wont 
come back to *nix if it does.
I think that since there are issues with Grub it would be a good idea to 
move away from it and use something which doesn't have issues.  Moaning 
at the LUbuntu team does no-one any good, and it really annoys me when 
people complain about non-production versions of software "breaking" - 
they haven't broken they have bugs which is why they're in Alpha / Beta 
releases! If you can't fix it you shouldn't have been using it - simple huh?


Rich

On 27/06/10 06:33, Phillip Whiteside wrote:
You may want to have a read of my last experience with grub2, from 
moving up from grub-legacy...


http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1331465

it took drs305 to correct that 'simple' problem  (He altered the wiki 
page after it), it has gotten worse. Do not mis-read, the problem it 
has come back to bite *buntu.


This is playing into the hands of certain corporate companies.*buntu 
either works, or it does not. There is no 'gray/ grey' area about 
something something so critical to a computer working. Users are not 
interested in "ahh, but you can do this to make it work", it either 
works, or it does not.


Phill.

On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 4:15 AM, Phillip Whiteside > wrote:


Hi Goh,

Grub is in a mess, and has been for a while. When it works, it
works well, when it fails, it fails completely. This has bubbled
along from 9.10 to 10.04 and is becoming a larger issue for 10.10

As per grub / burg and the really big mess that has been made,
along with people who help out on the forum area expressing their
frustrations, can I suggest you have a read of
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1516153 I have not seen
the guys and galz on the testing area having such a heated
discussion, it is quite evident that there is a *major* problem
that needs addressing.

I have only read up on that thread today, Kansassnoob is one who I
rely on for grub issues, if he is exclaiming his in-ability to
support it, then I suggest you read up all you can as he is one of
those I rely on when the tutorials do not work.

I do not think it is a bug and I think it is a more
fundamental issue of where he puts his grub. But I don't like
his tone of calling the developers stupid when he himself is
stupid. And if he continues in this manner, I would be
reluctant to help him further.


So, you best have read on there, you will see that they have been
called far worse by people who actually have to deal with the fall
out.

There are always two sides to a coin, it pays to take the time to
see why someone is annoyed, in this case they have every reason to
be so. But it is not a lubuntu fault, it is a grub fault which
means all ubuntu shares it, and from the dev himself, so does debian.

Regards,

Phill.


On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 3:03 AM, Goh Lip mailto:g@gmx.com>> wrote:

On 06/27/2010 01:57 AM, Mario Behling wrote:

Dear all,

forwarded a bug report below.

Best,

Mario



Hi!
I cannot create Bug Report, because it I put it here...
Environment:
1. Using a PC, who can be uses an USB external HDD or SSD
(and can be
mounted as sdb device).
2. Install Lubuntu from CD to this USB HDD (as variant,
install to SDHD
Flash Card, plugged into PCs CardReader), mounted as sdb1.
3. Using Parted Editing manually, and put "/" for all
device space
without swap.
Result of Install Lubuntu:
1. After normally ended Installation Process, my PC has
the MBR on FIRST
HDD (!!!), but I _use not_ this device for installation
Lubintu, not use
it completely!
2. On my PC cannot be starts none PS' File Systems without
having as
plugged External Devices because MBD find it and stooped
without this
External HDD or SDD. It has black screen only and display
Diagnostic
Message on this situation.
Resume:
It's stupidly situation. And who is this developer, who
wrote a code for
use as default FIRST HDD (mounted as sda) for put MBR, but
loading Grub
from SECOND HDD (mounted as sdb), if the User set up as
work (loadable)
Device SEC

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release)

2010-06-28 Thread Goh Lip
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 10:20:35 +0300
"Abnormal Terminate(R)"  wrote:

> Thanks, I to do it at described night :)
> Sincerely,
> A.T.

> >
> > Boot up the desktop linux distro with the external drive plugged in.
> > At the terminal of that linux distro, type the following...
> > sudo grub-install /dev/sda
> >
> > Done.

Welcome. Regards - Goh Lip

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