Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Light-Weight software center

2011-07-27 Thread Matthew Byers 
PCMan has expressed a very valid point.

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 2:50 AM, PCMan  wrote:

> A key question is, what makes your project lighter than software center?
> What's the bottle neck of software center? What makes it so heavy?
> Practically what will you do to make yours light?
> Usually just rewriting a program with less features won't make it
> significantly lighter or faster unless you overcome the problem of the
> original software. Otherwise it is not worth the effort and maintaince
> cost.
>
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:43 AM, Stephen Smally 
> wrote:
> > Hi everybody, i'mt trying to do a user-friendly and light package
> > manager ( a kind of Lubuntu software center) in python (bad?).
> > now the code is very poor, i hope you can help me (simply suggesting or
> > coding).
> > the active branch is lp:~stephen-smally/+junk/lubuntu-software-center
> > i'm using apt and aptdaemon, if somebody knows a better way, please tell
> > me.
> >
> > Regards
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Light-Weight software center

2011-07-27 Thread PCMan 
A key question is, what makes your project lighter than software center?
What's the bottle neck of software center? What makes it so heavy?
Practically what will you do to make yours light?
Usually just rewriting a program with less features won't make it
significantly lighter or faster unless you overcome the problem of the
original software. Otherwise it is not worth the effort and maintaince
cost.

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:43 AM, Stephen Smally  wrote:
> Hi everybody, i'mt trying to do a user-friendly and light package
> manager ( a kind of Lubuntu software center) in python (bad?).
> now the code is very poor, i hope you can help me (simply suggesting or
> coding).
> the active branch is lp:~stephen-smally/+junk/lubuntu-software-center
> i'm using apt and aptdaemon, if somebody knows a better way, please tell
> me.
>
> Regards
>
> Stephen Smally
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Documentation for new Iso's

2011-07-27 Thread Phill Whiteside 
Hi Julien and Jonathan,

I *think* I have tracked down all pages referring to 'testing'. Could you
please check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing for the warning about
Ubiquity and key-board etc.

I have left the alpha 1 there as it is available at 'CD' size iso as opposed
to the usual too large daily images that we get during a build.

I do think the page needs some further updating, so I ask if you could
possibly find a little time to ensure it is fully up to date.

There was a mention of
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/Derivatives/Lubuntu that one of the
guys noticed, as I was previously unaware of a 'derivatives' team, and it
was well out of date I have put a divert on it to point to the current page.
As I have previously said, having various pages all needing updating is
madness. If their team has any complaints, please forward them to me. I did
leave a comment as to why I had done it.

As we are now on 'official' build, where does this leave the earlier builds,
the one that spring to mind is 10.04 - Is it easier to maintain these as not
official builds using our 'old' system of building, or can the 10.04 be
brought into the 'official' build system.
10.04 desperately needs re-making, there are something like 300 updates at
250Mb to download, if we are to truly to support it I would strongly suggest
that as the generic ubuntu is up to 10.04.3, we do spin a new iso. I'm sure
Jonathan will curse me every way, but I am sure he can spin one for Lubuntu
10.04

For 11.10, I note that 32bit and two 64bit variants are produced, but there
is no mention of an 'alternate' install iso. Is this something that will be
naturally added as Lubuntu slots into the 'official' build system, or is it
something that must be done separately?

Sorry for so many questions! It is times like this I feel about as useful as
chocolate kettle, but I ask you both to look on the bright side... Answer me
and I'll answer the others :)

hoping the well deserved beer went down well!!

Regards,

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New ISO images available : Lubuntu

2011-07-27 Thread Lance 
In deed, the image will get smaller.

My message may have been misleading. I was just reflecting on three years of 
iso-testing ;^)

It's not at all uncommon for dev images to be larger than normal, particularly 
during Alpha stage. Sorry if I caused any confusion.

--- On Wed, 7/27/11, Matthew Byers  wrote:

From: Matthew Byers 
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New ISO images available : Lubuntu
To: "gs" 
Cc: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Wednesday, July 27, 2011, 5:01 PM

The image size will become smaller.


On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 5:18 PM, gs  wrote:





On 07/27/2011 12:08 AM, Lance wrote: 




This is excellent news. Hopefully Ubuntu QA will be able to add the Lubuntu 
images to iso-testing by either Alpha3 or Beta1. Once Lubuntu is included in 
iso-testing I'll shift my testing from Ubuntu desktop images to Lubuntu desktop 
images.


Don't worry too much about the oversize images. I've been iso-testing for quite 
some time and oversize images are the norm during alpha stage, and even the 
daily beta images are often oversize. As RC and final iso-testing approaches 
more effort is made at reducing the size of the images to under 700MB.


Many thanks for all of the great work,

Lance



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From: Julien Lavergne 
Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] New ISO images available : Lubuntu

To: "Ubuntu Developers" 
Cc: "lubuntu-desktop" 

Date: Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 4:52 PM


Hi Ubuntu developers,

New images have pop up on cdimage.ubuntu.com [1]. Finally, Lubuntu is
out of the Ubuntu factory :) [2]

For people who don't know Lubuntu, this is a quick presentation. Lubuntu

is a distribution based on Ubuntu, and the LXDE desktop environnement.
The main goal is to provide a very lightweight distribution, but with
all the advantages of the Ubuntu world (repositories, support ...).
Currently we are using :

- Chromium for the browser
- Openbox for the windows manager
- Pcmanfm for the file manager
- Abiword + Gnumeric for office work
- Pidgin for IM
- Audacious for playing music
- Gnome-mplayer for videos

- Some GNOME components : evince, file-roller, gnome-keyring 
- Most of the LXDE components
You can find the complete list of applications by default on the wiki
[3].

After 2 years of work, and 3 "unofficial" releases (10.04, 10.10 and

11.04), we had recently an official go from the Technical Board and ISO
images are now made like other Ubuntu flavors. I hope the 11.10 will be
the 1st official release of Lubuntu as a member of the Ubuntu family :)


We have 2 important particularities. Like Xubuntu, we use another
GTK-based desktop environnement than GNOME, and we try to avoid
unnecessary GNOME depends which could slow the system. We need some
GNOME parts because LXDE doesn't provide all necessary components. It's

the reason why we are very careful about dependencies of those
applications.

We are also very strict with ressources requirement. It's the reason why
we don't include all Ubuntu specific applications. For example, we don't

include Software-Center because it's still a bit heavy for some of our
targets.

I would like to thanks all people who make this happen, especially Mark,
Colin and Emmet, and all people involved in the development of Lubuntu

and LXDE.

If you want to talk to the Lubuntu community, you can use our mailing
list (lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net) or IRC : #lubuntu on

Freenode. You can also find information on our wiki [3].

Thanks for your attention :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


[1] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/

[2] It's still young images, which for now, are oversized, don't load
the desktop session, and have wrong splash images .. they should be
better in the futur :)
[3] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications

[4] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New ISO images available : Lubuntu

2011-07-27 Thread Phill Whiteside 
hiyas GS,

as previously mentioned, it is quite normal for iso's to be over sized
during alpha and even beta 1, as the releases progress the devs really start
to concentrate on the file size of the iso with the RC's coming in at CD
size.

Regards,

Phill.

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 3:18 PM, gs  wrote:

> **
> On 07/27/2011 12:08 AM, Lance wrote:
>
>   This is excellent news. Hopefully Ubuntu QA will be able to add the
> Lubuntu images to iso-testing by either Alpha3 or Beta1. Once Lubuntu is
> included in iso-testing I'll shift my testing from Ubuntu desktop images to
> Lubuntu desktop images.
>
> Don't worry too much about the oversize images. I've been iso-testing for
> quite some time and oversize images are the norm during alpha stage, and
> even the daily beta images are often oversize. As RC and final iso-testing
> approaches more effort is made at reducing the size of the images to under
> 700MB.
>
> Many thanks for all of the great work,
>
> Lance
>
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 7/26/11, Julien Lavergne 
> * wrote:
>
>
> From: Julien Lavergne  
> Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] New ISO images available : Lubuntu
> To: "Ubuntu Developers" 
> 
> Cc: "lubuntu-desktop" 
> 
> Date: Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 4:52 PM
>
> Hi Ubuntu developers,
>
> New images have pop up on cdimage.ubuntu.com [1]. Finally, Lubuntu is
> out of the Ubuntu factory :) [2]
>
> For people who don't know Lubuntu, this is a quick presentation. Lubuntu
> is a distribution based on Ubuntu, and the LXDE desktop environnement.
> The main goal is to provide a very lightweight distribution, but with
> all the advantages of the Ubuntu world (repositories, support ...).
> Currently we are using :
> - Chromium for the browser
> - Openbox for the windows manager
> - Pcmanfm for the file manager
> - Abiword + Gnumeric for office work
> - Pidgin for IM
> - Audacious for playing music
> - Gnome-mplayer for videos
> - Some GNOME components : evince, file-roller, gnome-keyring
> - Most of the LXDE components
> You can find the complete list of applications by default on the wiki
> [3].
>
> After 2 years of work, and 3 "unofficial" releases (10.04, 10.10 and
> 11.04), we had recently an official go from the Technical Board and ISO
> images are now made like other Ubuntu flavors. I hope the 11.10 will be
> the 1st official release of Lubuntu as a member of the Ubuntu family :)
>
> We have 2 important particularities. Like Xubuntu, we use another
> GTK-based desktop environnement than GNOME, and we try to avoid
> unnecessary GNOME depends which could slow the system. We need some
> GNOME parts because LXDE doesn't provide all necessary components. It's
> the reason why we are very careful about dependencies of those
> applications.
>
> We are also very strict with ressources requirement. It's the reason why
> we don't include all Ubuntu specific applications. For example, we don't
> include Software-Center because it's still a bit heavy for some of our
> targets.
>
> I would like to thanks all people who make this happen, especially Mark,
> Colin and Emmet, and all people involved in the development of Lubuntu
> and LXDE.
>
> If you want to talk to the Lubuntu community, you can use our mailing
> list 
> (lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net)
> or IRC : #lubuntu on
> Freenode. You can also find information on our wiki [3].
>
> Thanks for your attention :)
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
>
> [1] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/
> [2] It's still young images, which for now, are oversized, don't load
> the desktop session, and have wrong splash images .. they should be
> better in the futur :)
> [3] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications
> [4] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New ISO images available : Lubuntu

2011-07-27 Thread Matthew Byers 
The image size will become smaller.

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 5:18 PM, gs  wrote:

> **
>  On 07/27/2011 12:08 AM, Lance wrote:
>
>   This is excellent news. Hopefully Ubuntu QA will be able to add the
> Lubuntu images to iso-testing by either Alpha3 or Beta1. Once Lubuntu is
> included in iso-testing I'll shift my testing from Ubuntu desktop images to
> Lubuntu desktop images.
>
> Don't worry too much about the oversize images. I've been iso-testing for
> quite some time and oversize images are the norm during alpha stage, and
> even the daily beta images are often oversize. As RC and final iso-testing
> approaches more effort is made at reducing the size of the images to under
> 700MB.
>
> Many thanks for all of the great work,
>
> Lance
>
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 7/26/11, Julien Lavergne 
> * wrote:
>
>
> From: Julien Lavergne  
> Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] New ISO images available : Lubuntu
> To: "Ubuntu Developers" 
> 
> Cc: "lubuntu-desktop" 
> 
> Date: Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 4:52 PM
>
> Hi Ubuntu developers,
>
> New images have pop up on cdimage.ubuntu.com [1]. Finally, Lubuntu is
> out of the Ubuntu factory :) [2]
>
> For people who don't know Lubuntu, this is a quick presentation. Lubuntu
> is a distribution based on Ubuntu, and the LXDE desktop environnement.
> The main goal is to provide a very lightweight distribution, but with
> all the advantages of the Ubuntu world (repositories, support ...).
> Currently we are using :
> - Chromium for the browser
> - Openbox for the windows manager
> - Pcmanfm for the file manager
> - Abiword + Gnumeric for office work
> - Pidgin for IM
> - Audacious for playing music
> - Gnome-mplayer for videos
> - Some GNOME components : evince, file-roller, gnome-keyring
> - Most of the LXDE components
> You can find the complete list of applications by default on the wiki
> [3].
>
> After 2 years of work, and 3 "unofficial" releases (10.04, 10.10 and
> 11.04), we had recently an official go from the Technical Board and ISO
> images are now made like other Ubuntu flavors. I hope the 11.10 will be
> the 1st official release of Lubuntu as a member of the Ubuntu family :)
>
> We have 2 important particularities. Like Xubuntu, we use another
> GTK-based desktop environnement than GNOME, and we try to avoid
> unnecessary GNOME depends which could slow the system. We need some
> GNOME parts because LXDE doesn't provide all necessary components. It's
> the reason why we are very careful about dependencies of those
> applications.
>
> We are also very strict with ressources requirement. It's the reason why
> we don't include all Ubuntu specific applications. For example, we don't
> include Software-Center because it's still a bit heavy for some of our
> targets.
>
> I would like to thanks all people who make this happen, especially Mark,
> Colin and Emmet, and all people involved in the development of Lubuntu
> and LXDE.
>
> If you want to talk to the Lubuntu community, you can use our mailing
> list 
> (lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net)
> or IRC : #lubuntu on
> Freenode. You can also find information on our wiki [3].
>
> Thanks for your attention :)
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
>
> [1] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/
> [2] It's still young images, which for now, are oversized, don't load
> the desktop session, and have wrong splash images .. they should be
> better in the futur :)
> [3] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications
> [4] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
>
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Light-Weight software center

2011-07-27 Thread Matthew Byers 
Awesome project idea. For starters i will suggest python coding standards,
http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/



On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Stephen Smally wrote:

> Hi everybody, i'mt trying to do a user-friendly and light package
> manager ( a kind of Lubuntu software center) in python (bad?).
> now the code is very poor, i hope you can help me (simply suggesting or
> coding).
> the active branch is lp:~stephen-smally/+junk/lubuntu-software-center
> i'm using apt and aptdaemon, if somebody knows a better way, please tell
> me.
>
> Regards
>
> Stephen Smally
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Light-Weight software center

2011-07-27 Thread Stephen Smally 
Hi everybody, i'mt trying to do a user-friendly and light package
manager ( a kind of Lubuntu software center) in python (bad?).
now the code is very poor, i hope you can help me (simply suggesting or
coding).
the active branch is lp:~stephen-smally/+junk/lubuntu-software-center
i'm using apt and aptdaemon, if somebody knows a better way, please tell
me.

Regards

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New ISO images available : Lubuntu

2011-07-27 Thread gs 

On 07/27/2011 12:08 AM, Lance wrote:
This is excellent news. Hopefully Ubuntu QA will be able to add the 
Lubuntu images to iso-testing by either Alpha3 or Beta1. Once Lubuntu 
is included in iso-testing I'll shift my testing from Ubuntu desktop 
images to Lubuntu desktop images.


Don't worry too much about the oversize images. I've been iso-testing 
for quite some time and oversize images are the norm during alpha 
stage, and even the daily beta images are often oversize. As RC and 
final iso-testing approaches more effort is made at reducing the size 
of the images to under 700MB.


Many thanks for all of the great work,

Lance



--- On *Tue, 7/26/11, Julien Lavergne //* wrote:


From: Julien Lavergne 
Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] New ISO images available : Lubuntu
To: "Ubuntu Developers" 
Cc: "lubuntu-desktop" 
Date: Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 4:52 PM

Hi Ubuntu developers,

New images have pop up on cdimage.ubuntu.com [1]. Finally, Lubuntu is
out of the Ubuntu factory :) [2]

For people who don't know Lubuntu, this is a quick presentation.
Lubuntu
is a distribution based on Ubuntu, and the LXDE desktop environnement.
The main goal is to provide a very lightweight distribution, but with
all the advantages of the Ubuntu world (repositories, support ...).
Currently we are using :
- Chromium for the browser
- Openbox for the windows manager
- Pcmanfm for the file manager
- Abiword + Gnumeric for office work
- Pidgin for IM
- Audacious for playing music
- Gnome-mplayer for videos
- Some GNOME components : evince, file-roller, gnome-keyring
- Most of the LXDE components
You can find the complete list of applications by default on the wiki
[3].

After 2 years of work, and 3 "unofficial" releases (10.04, 10.10 and
11.04), we had recently an official go from the Technical Board
and ISO
images are now made like other Ubuntu flavors. I hope the 11.10
will be
the 1st official release of Lubuntu as a member of the Ubuntu
family :)

We have 2 important particularities. Like Xubuntu, we use another
GTK-based desktop environnement than GNOME, and we try to avoid
unnecessary GNOME depends which could slow the system. We need some
GNOME parts because LXDE doesn't provide all necessary components.
It's
the reason why we are very careful about dependencies of those
applications.

We are also very strict with ressources requirement. It's the
reason why
we don't include all Ubuntu specific applications. For example, we
don't
include Software-Center because it's still a bit heavy for some of our
targets.

I would like to thanks all people who make this happen, especially
Mark,
Colin and Emmet, and all people involved in the development of Lubuntu
and LXDE.

If you want to talk to the Lubuntu community, you can use our mailing
list (lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
) or IRC :
#lubuntu on
Freenode. You can also find information on our wiki [3].

Thanks for your attention :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


[1] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/
[2] It's still young images, which for now, are oversized, don't load
the desktop session, and have wrong splash images .. they should be
better in the futur :)
[3] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications
[4] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu


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