Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Community Ubuntu Documentation] Update of "Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ" by mpathy

[Jonathan Marsden]

On 07/28/2011 02:55 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:

> oops, not proposed, it has been applied. My bad If it is a problem,
> then I will roll back the page. 


> - pcmanfm "$url"
> + open_lxde "$url"




As long as it works (I have not tested this!), this is a positive change.

Jonathan


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] amd64 build of Lubuntu.

[Tim Bernhard]

Kendall,

I had a chance two download the new 64-bit* Peppermint Two *image today and
I must say that it looks great!  Seems to be using a little less battery
that One or Ice did.  I'm going to replace the 64-bit Lubuntu build you gave
us with P2 on my Acer 3820 and keep 32-bit Lubuntu on my Acer 1810 until
11.10 is released.

I think both distros are going to be a huge hit.

Tim


On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 2:53 AM, Kendall Weaver wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> I had some free time today so I went ahead and spun up an amd64 Lubuntu
> 11.04 build. The package list is identical to the i386 save one xorg package
> that isn't available in the 64 bit architecture. I just finished installing
> it on my test box and everything seems to be working identically to the i386
> as best as I can tell. The only things that are beyond my capacity to test
> are the usb-creator.exe and wubi.exe applications as I don't have a Windows
> system anywhere and I'm unfamiliar with what (if any) changes need to be
> made there. Currently the .exe files that are on the .iso are the same ones
> used in the amd64 Xubuntu build.
>
> I need to find a way to get this distributed amongst the Lubuntu testers
> and developers. I can stick this up on the Peppermint server probably
> tomorrow sometime or I can throw it in my Dropbox and share it with a couple
> of people (gotta be careful not to max out my available bandwidth though).
> When I figure out how to get this to you guys, it's my hope that you'll take
> it and make it available to everyone who's been wanting a 64 bit Lubuntu for
> all this time. I figured it would be a small thanks to you guys for putting
> together such an excellent distro. Currently I use Lubuntu as the base for
> Peppermint OS and for some of the Linux Mint editions I build.
>
> Just let me know how best to get this to you guys and I'll start uploading.
> If there are any "mission critical" changes that need to be made, I can
> probably step back in and take care of them if necessary. Again, just wanted
> to say thanks.
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Manual?

[Jared Norris]

On 29 July 2011 09:12, Swapnil Bhartiya  wrote:
> On 07/29/2011 12:51 AM, Phill Whiteside wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> sorry for the delay in answering, it does take a couple of days for me
>> to get in touch with people and await for them to respond.
>>
>> My current thinking and proposal is that we do actually add a Lubuntu
>> section to the main manual. This will cover parts that are specifically
>> Lubuntu. It is, however, no minor task as we would be altering a lot of
>> pages to include references to Lubuntu for specific tasks. I'd like a
>> bit more time to chat with the Manual team and ask them what they suggest.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Phill.
>
> Hi,
>
> Thanks. I have a proposal
> 1. Do we keep this discussion here or discuss within a group, so that what
> ever conversation you have with the team and see what they suggest.
> 2. I can create a TOC (table of content) based on the Ubuntu manual and
> share with the team. We have experience with manuals as we also created
> Linux Mint manual and Fedora 15 manual. So, we can create a TOC and focus on
> what is specific to Lubuntu (especially installing on variety of hardware
> and driver issues, if any).
> 3. We can also add section on light weight apps, which don't come
> pre-installed but can be useful for users for specific tasks.
> 4. We can also have a tips/tricks chapter to better utilize Lubuntu.
> 5. The entire manual will be created from scratch. Don't worry about
> man-hours we will have to invest in creating it. If we start early we can
> deliver the manual the day Lubuntu 11.10 is launched.
>
> Note: we can also create additional YouTube manual.
>
> Swapnil
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I think the excitement about documentation is great, you can never
work too hard on documentation. However I don't see the value in
creating yet another source. I'd be more excited to see people
contributing to the already existing documentation on the Wiki [0],
the help site [1] [2] and the semi-official manual [3]. Dispersing
effort on multiple projects to achieve the same goal seems a bit
counter-productive to me but I guess that's the great thing about
Linux, everyone is free to do as they please.

[0] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
[1] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation
[2] https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/ubuntu-help/index.html
[3] http://ubuntu-manual.org/

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Manual?

[Swapnil Bhartiya]

On 07/29/2011 12:51 AM, Phill Whiteside wrote:

Hi,

sorry for the delay in answering, it does take a couple of days for me
to get in touch with people and await for them to respond.

My current thinking and proposal is that we do actually add a Lubuntu
section to the main manual. This will cover parts that are specifically
Lubuntu. It is, however, no minor task as we would be altering a lot of
pages to include references to Lubuntu for specific tasks. I'd like a
bit more time to chat with the Manual team and ask them what they suggest.

Regards,

Phill.


Hi,

Thanks. I have a proposal
1. Do we keep this discussion here or discuss within a group, so that 
what ever conversation you have with the team and see what they suggest.
2. I can create a TOC (table of content) based on the Ubuntu manual and 
share with the team. We have experience with manuals as we also created 
Linux Mint manual and Fedora 15 manual. So, we can create a TOC and 
focus on what is specific to Lubuntu (especially installing on variety 
of hardware and driver issues, if any).
3. We can also add section on light weight apps, which don't come 
pre-installed but can be useful for users for specific tasks.

4. We can also have a tips/tricks chapter to better utilize Lubuntu.
5. The entire manual will be created from scratch. Don't worry about 
man-hours we will have to invest in creating it. If we start early we 
can deliver the manual the day Lubuntu 11.10 is launched.


Note: we can also create additional YouTube manual.

Swapnil

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Manual?

[Phill Whiteside]

Hi,

sorry for the delay in answering, it does take a couple of days for me to
get in touch with people and await for them to respond.

My current thinking and proposal is that we do actually add a Lubuntu
section to the main manual. This will cover parts that are specifically
Lubuntu. It is, however, no minor task as we would be altering a lot of
pages to include references to Lubuntu for specific tasks. I'd like a bit
more time to chat with the Manual team and ask them what they suggest.

Regards,

Phill.

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Le Thursday 28 July 2011 à 11:22 +0200, Swapnil Bhartiya a écrit :
> >
> > We created a detailed manual of Ubuntu 11.04 [1] for Muktware.com. I
> > personally use Lubuntu on my Dell mini as it is faster than Xubuntu.
> > So,
> > I will be very much interested in writing a similar manual for
> > Lubuntu.
> > Any pointers or suggestions? Who should I get in touch with to
> > discuss
> > what else we need for the manual?
> >
> > Most imp question of all: do we need a manual for Lubuntu?
> > [1] http://www.muktware.com/man/1068
>
> Than you. Any help on documentation, especially for beginners, is
> welcome :)
> You should talk to people on #lubuntu if you have questions, there is
> always people who know Lubuntu well :)
>
> Our documentation is here :
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation I think it's
> also a good start.
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Community Ubuntu Documentation] Update of "Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ" by mpathy

[Phill Whiteside]

oops, not proposed, it has been applied. My bad If it is a problem, then
I will roll back the page.

Regards,

Phill.

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Phill Whiteside  wrote:

> As lubuntu *can* be used with other file managers (some people do want to
> alter things), I hope that the proposed change is okay.
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Help Ubuntu wrote:
>
>> Dear Wiki user,
>>
>> You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Community Ubuntu
>> Documentation" for change notification.
>>
>> The following page has been changed by mpathy:
>>
>> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ?action=diff&rev1=60&rev2=61
>>
>> The comment on the change is:
>> To put pcmanfm here is too specific, you get the same behaviour but more
>> generic with this command. If someone changes his default file manager it
>> works instead of the previous solution.
>>
>>
>> --
>>  with lines:
>>  {{{
>>  generic)
>> - pcmanfm "$url"
>> + open_lxde "$url"
>>  ;;
>>  }}}
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Community Ubuntu Documentation] Update of "Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ" by mpathy

[Phill Whiteside]

As lubuntu *can* be used with other file managers (some people do want to
alter things), I hope that the proposed change is okay.

Regards,

Phill.

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Help Ubuntu  wrote:

> Dear Wiki user,
>
> You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Community Ubuntu
> Documentation" for change notification.
>
> The following page has been changed by mpathy:
>
> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ?action=diff&rev1=60&rev2=61
>
> The comment on the change is:
> To put pcmanfm here is too specific, you get the same behaviour but more
> generic with this command. If someone changes his default file manager it
> works instead of the previous solution.
>
>
> --
>  with lines:
>  {{{
>  generic)
> - pcmanfm "$url"
> + open_lxde "$url"
>  ;;
>  }}}
>
>


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[Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 697694] Re: Lubuntu installation crashes

[Brian Murray]

** Tags added: ubiquity-2.4.9

** Tags added: maverick

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Title:
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Status in “ubiquity” package in Ubuntu:
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Bug description:
  Binary package hint: ubiquity

  I tried installing Lubuntu 10.10 but the installation crashed and it
  said to report a bug with two files attached: partman, and syslog. The
  thing is that I can only attach one file, how do I attach the other.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Documentation for new Iso's

[Phill Whiteside]

Hi,

thanks for the detailed reply. I'll remove the keyboard warning.

We can only use the Ubuntu building for futur ISO, not old. We (Jonathan
> or me) can create a new 10.04, but it will need testing and maybe fixes.
> I'm not sure it's so necessary, because you can do the install with the
> current one, and do the updates as usual. I know it's long, but creating
> and testing a new ISO will also need time.


I was thinking that possibly using something like remastersys
http://www.geekconnection.org/remastersys/ubuntu.html may be possible for
Jonathan to get a 'community' 10.04 update out pretty quickly rather than
you both having to spend time checking and re-checking a new-build?

As I write this I received your update on the alternate daily. I'll watch
out for it!

Regards,

Phill.

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Le Wednesday 27 July 2011 à 23:42 +0100, Phill Whiteside a écrit :
> >
> > I *think* I have tracked down all pages referring to 'testing'. Could
> > you please check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing for the
> > warning about Ubiquity and key-board etc.
> The keyboard warning is not necessary anymore.
>
> > I have left the alpha 1 there as it is available at 'CD' size iso as
> > opposed to the usual too large daily images that we get during a
> > build.
> >
> > I do think the page needs some further updating, so I ask if you could
> > possibly find a little time to ensure it is fully up to date.
> Yes, but we will probably have some pages at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
> Documentation will need update at this moment.
>
> > There was a mention of
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/Derivatives/Lubuntu that one of
> > the guys noticed, as I was previously unaware of a 'derivatives' team,
> > and it was well out of date I have put a divert on it to point to the
> > current page. As I have previously said, having various pages all
> > needing updating is madness. If their team has any complaints, please
> > forward them to me. I did leave a comment as to why I had done it.
> I wasn't ware this Team was still active. I'm sure they will be ok with
> the divert, thanks.
>
>
> > As we are now on 'official' build, where does this leave the earlier
> > builds, the one that spring to mind is 10.04 - Is it easier to
> > maintain these as not official builds using our 'old' system of
> > building, or can the 10.04 be brought into the 'official' build
> > system.  10.04 desperately needs re-making, there are something like
> > 300 updates at 250Mb to download, if we are to truly to support it I
> > would strongly suggest that as the generic ubuntu is up to 10.04.3, we
> > do spin a new iso. I'm sure Jonathan will curse me every way, but I am
> > sure he can spin one for Lubuntu 10.04
> We can only use the Ubuntu building for futur ISO, not old. We (Jonathan
> or me) can create a new 10.04, but it will need testing and maybe fixes.
> I'm not sure it's so necessary, because you can do the install with the
> current one, and do the updates as usual. I know it's long, but creating
> and testing a new ISO will also need time.
>
> > For 11.10, I note that 32bit and two 64bit variants are produced, but
> > there is no mention of an 'alternate' install iso. Is this something
> > that will be naturally added as Lubuntu slots into the 'official'
> > build system, or is it something that must be done separately?
> I guess only 32 and 64 bits are available for daily build, and alternate
> and armel (?) are produced only for releases (Alpha, Beta etc ..)
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
>


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Documentation for new Iso's

[Julien Lavergne]

Le Thursday 28 July 2011 à 21:44 +0200, Julien Lavergne a écrit :
> I guess only 32 and 64 bits are available for daily build, and
> alternate
> and armel (?) are produced only for releases (Alpha, Beta etc ..) 

Actually, it's maybe a bug in the seed. I'll add a fix, and we will see
tomorrow (I love daily builds :p) if it's working.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Documentation for new Iso's

[Julien Lavergne]

Le Wednesday 27 July 2011 à 23:42 +0100, Phill Whiteside a écrit :
> 
> I *think* I have tracked down all pages referring to 'testing'. Could
> you please check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing for the
> warning about Ubiquity and key-board etc. 
The keyboard warning is not necessary anymore.

> I have left the alpha 1 there as it is available at 'CD' size iso as
> opposed to the usual too large daily images that we get during a
> build. 
> 
> I do think the page needs some further updating, so I ask if you could
> possibly find a little time to ensure it is fully up to date. 
Yes, but we will probably have some pages at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
Documentation will need update at this moment. 

> There was a mention of
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/Derivatives/Lubuntu that one of
> the guys noticed, as I was previously unaware of a 'derivatives' team,
> and it was well out of date I have put a divert on it to point to the
> current page. As I have previously said, having various pages all
> needing updating is madness. If their team has any complaints, please
> forward them to me. I did leave a comment as to why I had done it. 
I wasn't ware this Team was still active. I'm sure they will be ok with
the divert, thanks.


> As we are now on 'official' build, where does this leave the earlier
> builds, the one that spring to mind is 10.04 - Is it easier to
> maintain these as not official builds using our 'old' system of
> building, or can the 10.04 be brought into the 'official' build
> system.  10.04 desperately needs re-making, there are something like
> 300 updates at 250Mb to download, if we are to truly to support it I
> would strongly suggest that as the generic ubuntu is up to 10.04.3, we
> do spin a new iso. I'm sure Jonathan will curse me every way, but I am
> sure he can spin one for Lubuntu 10.04 
We can only use the Ubuntu building for futur ISO, not old. We (Jonathan
or me) can create a new 10.04, but it will need testing and maybe fixes.
I'm not sure it's so necessary, because you can do the install with the
current one, and do the updates as usual. I know it's long, but creating
and testing a new ISO will also need time.

> For 11.10, I note that 32bit and two 64bit variants are produced, but
> there is no mention of an 'alternate' install iso. Is this something
> that will be naturally added as Lubuntu slots into the 'official'
> build system, or is it something that must be done separately? 
I guess only 32 and 64 bits are available for daily build, and alternate
and armel (?) are produced only for releases (Alpha, Beta etc ..)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Manual?

[Julien Lavergne]

Le Thursday 28 July 2011 à 11:22 +0200, Swapnil Bhartiya a écrit :
> 
> We created a detailed manual of Ubuntu 11.04 [1] for Muktware.com. I 
> personally use Lubuntu on my Dell mini as it is faster than Xubuntu.
> So, 
> I will be very much interested in writing a similar manual for
> Lubuntu. 
> Any pointers or suggestions? Who should I get in touch with to
> discuss 
> what else we need for the manual?
> 
> Most imp question of all: do we need a manual for Lubuntu?
> [1] http://www.muktware.com/man/1068 

Than you. Any help on documentation, especially for beginners, is
welcome :)
You should talk to people on #lubuntu if you have questions, there is
always people who know Lubuntu well :)

Our documentation is here :
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation I think it's
also a good start.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne 


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Can be lubuntu software center good thing?

[Julien Lavergne]

Le Thursday 28 July 2011 à 17:29 +0200, Stefano a écrit :
> i can say that on my 64 bit system lubuntu software center uses 50 MB
> RAM less than ubuntu software center (30 mb). the script will be less
> weight than 1 MB, it depends only on gtk and apt.
> anyway i think that lubuntu software center should be a kind of more
> user-friendly synaptic, and not a totally light-rewritten on ubuntu
> software center. 

The initial plan was to rewrite the front-end of Software-center, to
make it simpler and lighter than the current one. Rewrite an entire
application is IMO too much of work, and you loose all the "invisible"
work done by USC.

If you want to work on a separate program, why not, but it needs, at
least, to be better than Synaptic, and have real advantages vs USC. You
need to think about depends, memory usage, but also UI. There is no
sense to do a software-center if the UI is worst than Synaptic. Also,
package manager need to be very stable and well tested, it's an
important piece of the system.

Currently, your program is not ready to replace the 2 previous examples.
If you want to continue, be aware that it will be more complex than you
think to build it from scratch.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Can be lubuntu software center good thing?

[Stefano]

i think that sometimes rewrite is better than cleanup the code, and i
dont' know if the authors of USC will be available.
anyway,  we are in democracy XD and this is the spirit  of the
open-source, i'm available to write python apps.

P.S. i'm very sorry for my bad english, but i'm italian :-P

On 28/07/2011 18:15, Filip Dominec wrote:
> Writing and mantaining own application of this importance can be
> tedious and risky task. Maybe we should first just assess what components of
> Ubuntu SW center make it slow and RAM consuming. If possible, second
> step could be to compile an Ubuntu SW center version which would have minimal
> dependencies, probably co-working with its contemporary authors.
> Filip
> 
> On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 17:29:57 +0200
> Stefano  wrote:
> 
>> i can say that on my 64 bit system lubuntu software center uses 50 MB
>> RAM less than ubuntu software center (30 mb). the script will be less
>> weight than 1 MB, it depends only on gtk and apt.
>> anyway i think that lubuntu software center should be a kind of more
>> user-friendly synaptic, and not a totally light-rewritten on ubuntu
>> software center.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Stephen Smally
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Can be lubuntu software center good thing?

[Filip Dominec]

Writing and mantaining own application of this importance can be
tedious and risky task. Maybe we should first just assess what components of
Ubuntu SW center make it slow and RAM consuming. If possible, second
step could be to compile an Ubuntu SW center version which would have minimal
dependencies, probably co-working with its contemporary authors.
Filip

On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 17:29:57 +0200
Stefano  wrote:

> i can say that on my 64 bit system lubuntu software center uses 50 MB
> RAM less than ubuntu software center (30 mb). the script will be less
> weight than 1 MB, it depends only on gtk and apt.
> anyway i think that lubuntu software center should be a kind of more
> user-friendly synaptic, and not a totally light-rewritten on ubuntu
> software center.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Stephen Smally
> 
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Can be lubuntu software center good thing?

[Stefano]

i can say that on my 64 bit system lubuntu software center uses 50 MB
RAM less than ubuntu software center (30 mb). the script will be less
weight than 1 MB, it depends only on gtk and apt.
anyway i think that lubuntu software center should be a kind of more
user-friendly synaptic, and not a totally light-rewritten on ubuntu
software center.

Regards

Stephen Smally

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Manual?

[mohi]

Hello Swapnil,

First of all, thank you for coming forward to help the team.

Kindly visit #lubuntu channel in freenode[1] and ping gilir or phillw.
Talking to them will give you some idea regardign what help is currently
needed.


For your info:
1[] : http://webchat.freenode.net/

Pardon me if you already know :)


On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya <
swapnil.bhart...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> We created a detailed manual of Ubuntu 11.04 [1] for Muktware.com. I
> personally use Lubuntu on my Dell mini as it is faster than Xubuntu. So, I
> will be very much interested in writing a similar manual for Lubuntu. Any
> pointers or suggestions? Who should I get in touch with to discuss what else
> we need for the manual?
>
> Most imp question of all: do we need a manual for Lubuntu?
> [1] http://www.muktware.com/man/**1068 
>
>
> Best
> --
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Manual?

[Swapnil Bhartiya]

Hi,

We created a detailed manual of Ubuntu 11.04 [1] for Muktware.com. I 
personally use Lubuntu on my Dell mini as it is faster than Xubuntu. So, 
I will be very much interested in writing a similar manual for Lubuntu. 
Any pointers or suggestions? Who should I get in touch with to discuss 
what else we need for the manual?


Most imp question of all: do we need a manual for Lubuntu?
[1] http://www.muktware.com/man/1068


Best
--
Swapnil Bhartiya
Editor: Muktware.com
Skype: No Way...its non-free. Looking for alternatives
Facebook: http://facebook.com/mukwtare
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