Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Some considerations about the Precise theme

2011-11-18 Thread Josh Embrey
In regards to going lighter with Lubuntu, we must remember our key targets and goal. I switched my GTK and Openbox themes to dark themes and it added another 40 minutes to my netbook's battery when on full brightness, over an hour with minimal brightness. I took every step to ensure that it was

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Some considerations about the Precise theme

2011-11-18 Thread Rafael Laguna
You're right. Dark themes are battery savers, but if they're too dark it cause fuzzy eyes. Too much light cause eye fatigue. That's why the Oneiric wall is not as light as older ones, but still light blue. And there're lots of reasons to be blue. First is corporative. Second is usability and

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Some considerations about the Precise theme

2011-11-18 Thread Michael Rawson
Besides, green would look like Mint LXDE. I think black is a good thing, but that's me. On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:28:33 +0100 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) rafaellag...@gmail.com wrote: You're right. Dark themes are battery savers, but if they're too dark it cause fuzzy eyes. Too much light cause eye

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Some considerations about the Precise theme

2011-11-18 Thread Benny Hult
http://www.planetwatt.com/ http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PUPjYNFVMoc/TSyp1KEqy1I/F5c/W1l6T9KQGRM/s1600/wattos.png Maybe something else? I would try to aim to something like vanilla buntu. Darkish panel with space tripping background ;) On Fri, 2011-11-18 at 02:24 -0300, Jean-Pierre Vidal

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install Problem

2011-11-18 Thread Yorvyk
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:03:38 -0500 Tim Bernhard ohiom...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Stephen, I found that to enter GRUB you simply press and hold SHIFT. I added the parameter to the end of the the boot command and booted they system and it did the same thing.Lubuntu splash and then the

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Some considerations about the Precise theme

2011-11-18 Thread Yorvyk
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:39:40 + Michael Rawson michaelrawso...@gmail.com wrote: Besides, green would look like Mint LXDE. I think black is a good thing, but that's me. I like green as well but, suse also use it as their corporate colours. Black also looks nice , CrunchBang Linux shows

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Launchpad: Reminder about lubuntu-desktop's PPAs

2011-11-18 Thread Yorvyk
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:07:03 +0700 Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Thanks Mario. Currently, the situation is not very nice, the mailing list is not open anymore, and the PPA is too common. We have to change the mailing or the PPA location, or both. About the mailing list, the

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install Problem

2011-11-18 Thread Tim Bernhard
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 5:11 AM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.comwrote: It would appear there isn't really a solution for this problem, from what I've found googling. :( To cheer you up though, todays xkcd http://xkcd.org/ :) My only sugestion is to try the alternate install, rather than

[Lubuntu-desktop] Ubuntu Site

2011-11-18 Thread Tim Bernhard
I'm wondering how people find out about Ubuntu derivatives? When I look at the Ubuntu site I don't see anything about other Ubuntu based distros. Tim ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to :

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ubuntu Site

2011-11-18 Thread Rafael Laguna
Yes, it's a bit tricky. Look at this: http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/derivatives They're called derivatives, not flavours, so they look like mutations from the original. With OpenSuse it's easier: http://software.opensuse.org/121/es They look like another type of same distro, I

[Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-18 Thread Julien Lavergne
I forgot to forward this mail from ubuntu-devel, it may have an impact on Lubuntu since we shared the same kernel. Regards, Julien Lavergne Begin forwarded message: Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:43:28 -0700 From: Tim Gardner tim.gard...@canonical.com To: Ubuntu Kernel Team

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-18 Thread Rafael Laguna
But there're Lubuntu users on Pentium II and similar machines. In fact they're happy an OS can handle those trashy computers and make them useable. Will this affect those users? http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com/ http://www.lubuntu.net/ 2011/11/18 Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com I forgot

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-18 Thread Matthew Byers
Yes it will affect Pentium II. Do we have options of compiling the kernel within lubuntu to continue support. 2011/11/18 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) rafaellag...@gmail.com But there're Lubuntu users on Pentium II and similar machines. In fact they're happy an OS can handle those trashy computers and

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-18 Thread Julien Lavergne
No, we have to rely on kernel in the repositories. Regards, Julien Lavergne On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 19:43:45 +0300 Matthew Byers faintstlsa...@gmail.com wrote: Yes it will affect Pentium II. Do we have options of compiling the kernel within lubuntu to continue support. 2011/11/18 神癒礁湖 (Rafael

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-18 Thread Phill Whiteside
I think this harks back to how long we will support 10.04 for, we barely have enough people to backport to that - asking for a 2nd set of backporting may well be beyond the small number of devs we have. For me, with dropping of chipsets after 10.04, maybe we could concentrate on keeping 10.04

[Lubuntu-desktop] Roadmap: Bugs to fix before pcmanfm 1.0 release.

2011-11-18 Thread PCMan
I just took hours and cleaned up the bug tracker of pcmanfm and did some triage for all of the opened bugs today. Here are the remaining ones I'm going to fix for 1.0 release.

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-18 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Last year they dropped support for a lot of machines, now they will drop for a lot more? What are the exact benefits of dropping all of that? Lubuntu is aimed to be fast, but it's able to resurrect those old hardware so: what will be the the future for those old machines in the near future?

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ubuntu Site

2011-11-18 Thread Jonathan Marsden
Tim, On Friday, November 18, 2011 8:26 AM, Tim Bernhard ohiom...@gmail.com wrote: I'm wondering how people find out about Ubuntu derivatives? When I look at the Ubuntu site I don't see anything about other Ubuntu based distros. It is there. Three mouse clicks from http://www.ubuntu.com :

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-18 Thread Jonathan Marsden
On Friday, November 18, 2011 7:43 PM, Matthew Byers faintstlsa...@gmail.com wrote: Yes it will affect Pentium II. Evidence, please? That is not what the original email said at all. It is also not what all the info I have on which CPUs can do PAE says. As far as I know, Pentium Pro and

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-18 Thread Gabriel Salles
Correct me if I'm wrong, but those CPUs were used with 2, 4 and 8 GB of HD?? *If* this proposed change makes it impractical to run on a Pentium II, we need to stand up and be counted. If (as I suspect) it only prevents use on Pentium I, really old AMD, VIA C3 and Geode, then ... that's a

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-18 Thread Harold Neel
There comes a point where hardware becomes obsolete. Ubuntu itself is not aiming to be for low end machines and for a desktop is that is trying to hit the more cutting edge market last decades equipment is a waste of resources. I can understand why they're cutting it. As time goes on support

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-18 Thread Tim Bernhard
I guess the point ends up simply being lxde Ubuntu. That is fine for a guy like myself because Lubuntu is awsome on my modern laptops, but I can see how it deviates from the original mission. nbsp; I feel bad for you guys. Maybe official status isn't what's best for Lubuntu OR maybe you guys

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-18 Thread Jared Norris
Has anyone read the posts from the developers here? Julien asked for comment, Jonathan did some research and found that only Pentium I and a limited number of Pentium II mobiles and a sprinkling of even less other types of CPUs would be affected. I'm not certain but to me even for the Lubuntu

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-18 Thread Jonathan Marsden
On 11/18/2011 04:45 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote: So there is no need to support the dropping of chip sets at 10.04, and none of at the next release? The changes in 10.10 that cause it to be unusable on some CPUs are already made. I am unclear which exact CPU models can run 10.10 and 11.04 and

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-18 Thread Jonathan Marsden
On 11/18/2011 05:43 PM, Jared Norris wrote: So to this end, my question is, is there a simple command people can run to see if their CPU can run PAE kernels? I would have thought if cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep pae would not give any output if the CPUs weren't capable? I'm not an expert so just

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-18 Thread Jonathan Marsden
On 11/18/2011 11:50 AM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset wrote: Last year they dropped support for a lot of machines, now they will drop for a lot more? A lot? How did you determine this, and can you let us know the numeric upper and lower bounds of a lot in the second phrase of this description?

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-18 Thread Jared Norris
On 19 November 2011 16:00, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 11/18/2011 05:43 PM, Jared Norris wrote: So to this end, my question is, is there a simple command people can run to see if their CPU can run PAE kernels? I would have thought if cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep pae would not