Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

On 19 November 2011 16:00, Jonathan Marsden wrote: > On 11/18/2011 05:43 PM, Jared Norris wrote: > >> So to this end, my question is, is there a simple command people can >> run to see if their CPU can run PAE kernels? I would have thought if >> "cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep pae" would not give any ou

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

On 11/18/2011 11:50 AM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset wrote: > Last year they dropped support for a lot of machines, now they will > drop for a lot more? "A lot"? How did you determine this, and can you let us know the numeric upper and lower bounds of "a lot" in the second phrase of this descrip

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

On 11/18/2011 05:43 PM, Jared Norris wrote: > So to this end, my question is, is there a simple command people can > run to see if their CPU can run PAE kernels? I would have thought if > "cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep pae" would not give any output if the CPUs > weren't capable? I'm not an expert so j

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

On 11/18/2011 04:45 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote: > So there is no need to support the dropping of chip sets at 10.04, > and none of at the next release? The changes in 10.10 that cause it to be unusable on some CPUs are already made. I am unclear which exact CPU models can run 10.10 and 11.04 and

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

Has anyone read the posts from the developers here? Julien asked for comment, Jonathan did some research and found that only Pentium I and a limited number of Pentium II mobiles and a sprinkling of even less other types of CPUs would be affected. I'm not certain but to me even for the Lubuntu goals

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

I guess the point ends up simply being "lxde Ubuntu." That is fine for a guy like myself because Lubuntu is awsome on my modern laptops, but I can see how it deviates from the original mission.   I feel bad for you guys. Maybe official status isn't what's best for Lubuntu OR maybe you guys need

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

There comes a point where hardware becomes obsolete. Ubuntu itself is not aiming to be for low end machines and for a desktop is that is trying to hit the more cutting edge market last decades equipment is a waste of resources. I can understand why they're cutting it. As time goes on support for

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

Hiyas JM, So there is no need to support the dropping of chip sets at 10.04, and none of at the next release? If Lubuntu cannot support old hardware, as julien has argued & pleaded about * What is the point of Lubuntu? * Have a think of that question. It is one I have been asked many times

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

Correct me if I'm wrong, but those CPUs were used with 2, 4 and 8 GB of HD?? > *If* this proposed change makes it impractical to run on a Pentium II, > we need to stand up and be counted. If (as I suspect) it only prevents > use on Pentium I, really old AMD, VIA C3 and Geode, then ... that's a >

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

On Friday, November 18, 2011 7:43 PM, "Matthew Byers" wrote: > Yes it will affect Pentium II. Evidence, please? That is not what the original email said at all. It is also not what all the info I have on which CPUs can do PAE says. As far as I know, Pentium Pro and Pentium II CPUs all can do

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ubuntu Site

Tim, On Friday, November 18, 2011 8:26 AM, "Tim Bernhard" wrote: > I'm wondering how people find out about Ubuntu derivatives? When I > look at the Ubuntu site I don't see anything about other Ubuntu based > distros. It is there. Three mouse clicks from http://www.ubuntu.com : Projects ->

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

Last year they dropped support for a lot of machines, now they will drop for a lot more? What are the exact benefits of dropping all of that? Lubuntu is aimed to be fast, but it's able to resurrect those old hardware so: what will be the the future for those old machines in the near future? Support

[Lubuntu-desktop] Roadmap: Bugs to fix before pcmanfm 1.0 release.

I just took hours and cleaned up the bug tracker of pcmanfm and did some triage for all of the opened bugs today. Here are the remaining ones I'm going to fix for 1.0 release. https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?limit=100&func=&group_id=156956&atid=801864&assignee=&status=1&category=&artgroup=&keywor

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

I think this harks back to how long we will support 10.04 for, we barely have enough people to backport to that - asking for a 2nd set of backporting may well be beyond the small number of devs we have. For me, with dropping of chipsets after 10.04, maybe we could concentrate on keeping 10.04 alive

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

Is it possible to keep an unofficial kernel for old abandoned cpus in lubuntu ppa, if there are people willing to maintain it? On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 1:18 AM, Julien Lavergne wrote: > No, it means that the CPus need to have support for PAE, it's independent > of the memory. > Also, the range of

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

No, it means that the CPus need to have support for PAE, it's independent of the memory. Also, the range of hardware affected is not so clear, see the thread on ubuntu-devel. I already answered that depending of the list of hardware affected, it could be a big support drop for Lubuntu. Regards,

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

No, we have to rely on kernel in the repositories. Regards, Julien Lavergne On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 19:43:45 +0300 Matthew Byers wrote: > Yes it will affect Pentium II. Do we have options of compiling the > kernel within lubuntu to continue support. > > 2011/11/18 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) > > > But

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

If I understand right, this will only affect those on said machines IF they have ~4GB RAM. Which is unlikely, considering they have Pentium IIs. But I agree, we should keep the old kernels for a bit longer. But then we throw a dilemma, where we don't get new kernels. Unless you want a kernel de

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

Yes it will affect Pentium II. Do we have options of compiling the kernel within lubuntu to continue support. 2011/11/18 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) > But there're Lubuntu users on Pentium II and similar machines. In fact > they're happy an OS can handle those "trashy" computers and make them > useable

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

But there're Lubuntu users on Pentium II and similar machines. In fact they're happy an OS can handle those "trashy" computers and make them useable. Will this affect those users? 2011/11/18 Julien Lavergne > I forgot to forwar

[Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

I forgot to forward this mail from ubuntu-devel, it may have an impact on Lubuntu since we shared the same kernel. Regards, Julien Lavergne Begin forwarded message: Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:43:28 -0700 From: Tim Gardner To: Ubuntu Kernel Team , ubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Droppin

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ubuntu Site

Yes, it's a bit tricky. Look at this: http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/derivatives They're called "derivatives", not flavours, so they look like "mutations" from the original. With OpenSuse it's easier: http://software.opensuse.org/121/es They look like another type of same distro, I m

[Lubuntu-desktop] Ubuntu Site

I'm wondering how people find out about Ubuntu derivatives? When I look at the Ubuntu site I don't see anything about other Ubuntu based distros. Tim ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install Problem

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 5:11 AM, Yorvyk wrote: > It would appear there isn't really a solution for this problem, from what > I've found googling. :( > To cheer you up though, todays xkcd http://xkcd.org/ :) > > My only sugestion is to try the alternate install, rather than the minimal > method. >

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Launchpad: Reminder about lubuntu-desktop's PPAs

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:07:03 +0700 Julien Lavergne wrote: > Thanks Mario. > > Currently, the situation is not very nice, the mailing list is not open > anymore, and the PPA is too common. We have to change the mailing or the PPA > location, or both. > > About the mailing list, the best soluti

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Some considerations about the Precise theme

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:39:40 + Michael Rawson wrote: > Besides, green would look like Mint LXDE. I think black is a good thing, but > that's me. > I like green as well but, suse also use it as their corporate colours. Black also looks nice , CrunchBang Linux shows how well this works. We

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install Problem

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:03:38 -0500 Tim Bernhard wrote: > Thanks Stephen, > > I found that to enter GRUB you simply press and hold SHIFT. I added the > parameter to the end of the the boot command and booted they system and it > did the same thing.Lubuntu splash and then the screen goes blan

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Some considerations about the Precise theme

http://www.planetwatt.com/ http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PUPjYNFVMoc/TSyp1KEqy1I/F5c/W1l6T9KQGRM/s1600/wattos.png Maybe something else? I would try to aim to something like vanilla buntu. Darkish panel with space tripping background ;) On Fri, 2011-11-18 at 02:24 -0300, Jean-Pierre Vidal Pies

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Some considerations about the Precise theme

Besides, green would look like Mint LXDE. I think black is a good thing, but that's me. On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:28:33 +0100 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) wrote: > You're right. Dark themes are battery savers, but if they're too dark it > cause fuzzy eyes. Too much light cause eye fatigue. That's why the

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Some considerations about the Precise theme

You're right. Dark themes are battery savers, but if they're too dark it cause fuzzy eyes. Too much light cause eye fatigue. That's why the Oneiric wall is not as light as older ones, but still "light blue". And there're lots of reasons to be blue. First is corporative. Second is usability and eye

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Some considerations about the Precise theme

In regards to going lighter with Lubuntu, we must remember our key targets and goal. I switched my GTK and Openbox themes to dark themes and it added another 40 minutes to my netbook's battery when on full brightness, over an hour with minimal brightness. I took every step to ensure that it was j