Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

Ed Hewitt makes some very good points , Something to look at would be the
Fluxbuntu project the 7.10 Version was amazing because it was very very slim
nothing except the essentials installed but it also retained the
availability of all those other apps by using the official repositories. I
don't think anyone has to worry about something missing because the people
that would be drawn to Lubuntu would certinaly be savvy enough to fetch it
for themselves.

What's good isn't always golden , I agree with the minilmist idea that Ed
Hewitt proposed here.

Cheers!.

Dallas Wiebelhaus.





On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Ed Hewitt wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm Ed Hewitt (chewit in IRC). I have just joined the Lubuntu team in
> Launchpad, I am very keen to give you help with the Lubuntu project. I have
> been using Xubuntu since 7.10 release, and over the years Xubuntu has been
> getting heavier and slower after each release. This has been down two
> things. First, the Ubuntu developers adding more applications and utilies to
> improve the usability of the operating system. Secondly, Xubuntu is just
> Ubuntu with Xfce 'bolted on'. No thought has gone into using as little gnome
> depencies as possible. These two points have made Xubuntu heavy and slow,
> and not a lightweight distro. It is very close to being as heavy as Ubuntu!
>
> My worry with the Lubuntu project is that when it becomes an official
> Ubuntu distro, it will have loads of extra apps added which will make it
> slow and heavy like Xubuntu. It will be a waste your time creating a distro
> which went the same way as Xubuntu. I am writing this message to warn you
> that it could happen. I want to join the Lubuntu and help decide the best
> applications to add to the operating systems and ways to make it as light as
> possible.
>
> I have looked at the Lubuntu application list and I am already concerned
> with the success of the project. It appears Lubuntu will have more
> applications installed than the Ubuntu install!
>
> The best way I see Lubuntu being setup is to carefully follow the way
> Debian is created, since Debain is very lightweight. I believe it is best to
> use the Ubuntu minimal install with LXDE added on, then we add a carefully
> selection of applications. Such as:
>
>
>- Web browser - Firefox
>- Email - Claws
>- Chat - Pidgin, Xchat
>- Office - Abiword, Gnumeric, ePDF
>- Media - Totem, Rhythmbox (would like to use VLC, but it uses QT4)
>- GIMP
>- Synaptic & Update Manager is a must
>- Gnome network manager (need good network support, however it needs to
>start on boot up)
>- Some Xfce apps - Notifyd (very nice notification system), taskmanager
>(but could use lxde task), power manager
>
> We want to keep the apps list small, basic apps which most people will use.
> Video editing, ftp clients and programming apps are not needed on the base
> install. If we add loads of apps, we will be a heavy distro. With Lubuntu
> its performance and lightweight first, sadly xubuntu forgot about that.
>
> Would like to hear what the whole team thinks and if I can be some help in
> the development of Lubuntu.
>
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[Lubuntu-desktop] (no subject)

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

I vote go small , if someone wants songbird or Firefox or liferea or pidgin
let them fetch it.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Forum

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

Thanks!


On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:16 PM, jon york  wrote:

>  Hi guys
>
> here is the forum location, just a quick and free forum for us, I am a
> webmaster, and own my own host, so we can discuss that later when we
> actually have a beta version to release to public, and we are ready to
> submit for an official variation of ubuntu
>
> here is the forum
>
> http://lubuntu.forumotion.com
>
> have fun guys and girls :P
>
> Jon York
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

Also we could learn a allot from the puppy project they have already banged
out years of learning the hardway! And today they have the quintessential
light weight desktop of out of the box that can run on anything after a 486.


On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Ed Hewitt wrote:

> I think we should go with Firefox. However, OpenOffice would solve the
> problem of having no presentation software if we went with Abiword &
> Gnumeric. We could use these tweaks to speed up OpenOffice. >>>
> http://lifehacker.com/software/optimization/speed-up-openoffice-270775.php
>
> By going "small", we will achieve the objective of achieving a lightweight
> distro. However, I still think a good out of the box experience, as long as
> we keep it to a minimal. So by having a few basic utilities (such as
> synaptic), need a few must have apps (such as web browser, office apps,
> chat, media player). we can still achieve a user friend lightweight distro.
> Its all about getting the right balance.
>
> Maybe another Lubuntu IRC Meeting could be useful to discuss my points. It
> would be great to have an application list set in time for Karmic. Could be
> Lubuntu's first release
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

Good eye there David!

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:15 PM, David Sugar wrote:

> Related to this question is what to do with what is currently the
> separate lxde blueprint in Launchpad:
>
>
> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop
>
> I would be happy to see about transferring it to the Lubuntu Team if the
> Lubuntu team does wish to formally take it over...
>
> In any case, yes, I also think the key is finding the right reasonable
> mix.
>
> Ed Hewitt wrote:
> > I think we should go with Firefox. However, OpenOffice would solve the
> > problem of having no presentation software if we went with Abiword &
> > Gnumeric. We could use these tweaks to speed up OpenOffice. >>>
> >
> http://lifehacker.com/software/optimization/speed-up-openoffice-270775.php
> >
> > By going "small", we will achieve the objective of achieving a
> > lightweight distro. However, I still think a good out of the box
> > experience, as long as we keep it to a minimal. So by having a few basic
> > utilities (such as synaptic), need a few must have apps (such as web
> > browser, office apps, chat, media player). we can still achieve a user
> > friend lightweight distro. Its all about getting the right balance.
> >
> > Maybe another Lubuntu IRC Meeting could be useful to discuss my points.
> > It would be great to have an application list set in time for Karmic.
> > Could be Lubuntu's first release
> >
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> >
> >
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

Yes it would and it's very small , minuscule foot print but very very
powerful and modern.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:48 PM, AdamBOT  wrote:

> I've been looking at the VLC build flags, and it looks like it is possible
> to be compiled without the qt4 dependencies.  Wouldn't that make it a viable
> solution as a media player?
>
> I am looking more into it...
>
> Adam
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Dallas Wiebelhaus 
> wrote:
>
>> Also we could learn a allot from the puppy project they have already
>> banged out years of learning the hardway! And today they have the
>> quintessential light weight desktop of out of the box that can run on
>> anything after a 486.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Ed Hewitt 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think we should go with Firefox. However, OpenOffice would solve the
>>> problem of having no presentation software if we went with Abiword &
>>> Gnumeric. We could use these tweaks to speed up OpenOffice. >>>
>>> http://lifehacker.com/software/optimization/speed-up-openoffice-270775.php
>>>
>>> By going "small", we will achieve the objective of achieving a
>>> lightweight distro. However, I still think a good out of the box experience,
>>> as long as we keep it to a minimal. So by having a few basic utilities (such
>>> as synaptic), need a few must have apps (such as web browser, office apps,
>>> chat, media player). we can still achieve a user friend lightweight distro.
>>> Its all about getting the right balance.
>>>
>>> Maybe another Lubuntu IRC Meeting could be useful to discuss my points.
>>> It would be great to have an application list set in time for Karmic. Could
>>> be Lubuntu's first release
>>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

I agree Abiword is so incredibly fast and small and if someone has not tried
it they should give it a spin , it's a brilliant little application! I could
foresee someone adding openoffice if they needed that extra functionality
but for simple out of the box word processing in a small efficient quick
package , abiword can't be beat. We should all take a long hard look at what
other small distributions are doing because they like Puppy have already
pounded these discussions out , I'm not saying to copy but to learn from
from their methodology.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Andrew Woodhead <
andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> OpenOffice in my opinion is far too bulky for a lightweight distro.
>
> 0 upgraded, 44 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> Need to get 123MB of archives.
> After this operation, 412MB of additional disk space will be used.
>
> Its just stupidly fat and bloated and doesn't fit with the ethos of
> Lubuntu. 0.5Gb for office productivity when gnumeric and abiword use a
> microscopic fraction of this.
>
> No way
>
> -Andy
>
>
>
>  On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Ed Hewitt  > wrote:
>
>>  I think we should go with Firefox. However, OpenOffice would solve the
>> problem of having no presentation software if we went with Abiword &
>> Gnumeric. We could use these tweaks to speed up OpenOffice. >>>
>> http://lifehacker.com/software/optimization/speed-up-openoffice-270775.php
>>
>> By going "small", we will achieve the objective of achieving a lightweight
>> distro. However, I still think a good out of the box experience, as long as
>> we keep it to a minimal. So by having a few basic utilities (such as
>> synaptic), need a few must have apps (such as web browser, office apps,
>> chat, media player). we can still achieve a user friend lightweight distro.
>> Its all about getting the right balance.
>>
>> Maybe another Lubuntu IRC Meeting could be useful to discuss my points. It
>> would be great to have an application list set in time for Karmic. Could be
>> Lubuntu's first release
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

Yep , but Debian LXDE does have the entire open office suite installed and
it weights in at just under 500 megs.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Andrew Woodhead <
andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> It's not copying, it is as you say learning from others. OpenOffice just
> isn't suitable but will be accessible via reops if you must install it. I
> personally only use abiword and know a great many users who have the entire
> suite installed and only use the writer. Its laughable.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Dallas Wiebelhaus 
> wrote:
>
>> I agree Abiword is so incredibly fast and small and if someone has not
>> tried it they should give it a spin , it's a brilliant little application! I
>> could foresee someone adding openoffice if they needed that extra
>> functionality but for simple out of the box word processing in a small
>> efficient quick package , abiword can't be beat. We should all take a long
>> hard look at what other small distributions are doing because they like
>> Puppy have already pounded these discussions out , I'm not saying to copy
>> but to learn from from their methodology.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Andrew Woodhead <
>> andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> OpenOffice in my opinion is far too bulky for a lightweight distro.
>>>
>>> 0 upgraded, 44 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
>>> Need to get 123MB of archives.
>>> After this operation, 412MB of additional disk space will be used.
>>>
>>> Its just stupidly fat and bloated and doesn't fit with the ethos of
>>> Lubuntu. 0.5Gb for office productivity when gnumeric and abiword use a
>>> microscopic fraction of this.
>>>
>>> No way
>>>
>>> -Andy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Ed Hewitt <
>>> edwardahew...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  I think we should go with Firefox. However, OpenOffice would solve the
>>>> problem of having no presentation software if we went with Abiword &
>>>> Gnumeric. We could use these tweaks to speed up OpenOffice. >>>
>>>> http://lifehacker.com/software/optimization/speed-up-openoffice-270775.php
>>>>
>>>> By going "small", we will achieve the objective of achieving a
>>>> lightweight distro. However, I still think a good out of the box 
>>>> experience,
>>>> as long as we keep it to a minimal. So by having a few basic utilities 
>>>> (such
>>>> as synaptic), need a few must have apps (such as web browser, office apps,
>>>> chat, media player). we can still achieve a user friend lightweight distro.
>>>> Its all about getting the right balance.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe another Lubuntu IRC Meeting could be useful to discuss my points.
>>>> It would be great to have an application list set in time for Karmic. Could
>>>> be Lubuntu's first release
>>>>
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[Lubuntu-desktop] U-Lite

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

For some reason I had forgotten that U-Lite was using LXDE , I thought they
were using XFCE , maybe because of the recent alpha screenshots.

I just want to make sure that the Lubuntu people are Aware of U-Lite are
these two projects related or completely separate?

http://u-lite.org/
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] I think it is important to....

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

I just threw together with LXDE and Ubuntu base for experimentation and
abiword does run much better then openoffice on this DE it seems , I'm sure
others will perform their own tests but I just wanted to let you guys know
that I'm testing some things , like some of the idea's that were suggested
today.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Tnelson Downs  wrote:

> I think it is important to include only lightweight programs in
> lubuntu. Lubuntu doesn't need openoffice, if people want bloat like
> that, they can just get ubuntu. Lubuntu should be light.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] U-Lite

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

Good to hear! thanks for the info!

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Mario Behling  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> there was a discussion about U-lite already. With lubuntu we have a
> chance to bring together people working / who have worked on different
> derivates. Also notable is Mint.
>
> We are very happy that Shae of U-lite is also a member of lubuntu.
>
> -- Mario
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:46 AM, Dallas Wiebelhaus
> wrote:
> > For some reason I had forgotten that U-Lite was using LXDE , I thought
> they
> > were using XFCE , maybe because of the recent alpha screenshots.
> >
> > I just want to make sure that the Lubuntu people are Aware of U-Lite are
> > these two projects related or completely separate?
> >
> > http://u-lite.org/
> >
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] U-Lite

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

Hey! That's great no need for details if they are private I just wanted to
make sure by getting involved there was not going to be any toes being
stepped on.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:16 PM, C David Rigby wrote:

> On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 18:46 -0500, Dallas Wiebelhaus wrote:
> > For some reason I had forgotten that U-Lite was using LXDE , I thought
> > they were using XFCE , maybe because of the recent alpha screenshots.
> >
> > I just want to make sure that the Lubuntu people are Aware of U-Lite
> > are these two projects related or completely separate?
> >
> > http://u-lite.org/
>
> Shae Smittle, the maintainer and developer of U-lite, is involved with
> the Lubuntu project. I'll leave it to him to fill in details.
>
> Cheers
> C David Rigby
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

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By the way , Chrome fits in like it's native and is running hella fast on
this DE on my test box. I'm about to crank the ram down and see how low I
can get.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Andrew Woodhead <
andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> This is kinda surplus, the system is still ubuntu based so the standard
> repos can be used to install apps if they are needed.
> If the OS is going to be as it says below, you may as well install a
> minimal install then have a gui to select apps which can then be installed
> off the repos. This however isn't the case, we are trying to make a smalland
> efficient distro with a decent amount of functionality without bloating the
> system with the likes of evolution, openoffice and firefox. These are fully
> installable once the installation has completed but the initial base system
> should be slick and quick
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:14 AM, C David Rigby wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 18:40 +0100, Ed Hewitt and several others wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Restating the obvious, but the engineering trade off is always between
>> "ease of use/fully featured" on the one hand and lightweight on the
>> other. The necessary criterion is to decide what we really want to
>> build, and make it unique and useful enough to attract interest.
>>
>> I've proposed it before, but I'll say it again as more people are on the
>> list now (sorry that I've missed the IRC meetings for the last two weeks
>> where the app mix has been the topic of discussion). How about the
>> possibility of a very slim base install with the installer offering
>> "bundles" to meet individual needs and desires? Something like the
>> FreeBSD or Debian text installers comes to mind.
>>
>> The base installation would be just a command-line, network-capable
>> system plus enough of X to get LXDE operational. We would be pushing the
>> real work to the installer. The installer, whether text-based or
>> grahpical, would need to provide a lot of choices of bundles to
>> install.
>>
>> More importantly, I think the installer should provide something I have
>> yet to see. That something is extensive documentation of the choices of
>> bundles of applications, and what they mean in terms of system
>> performance vs features. It should be organized so that a savvy user
>> could bypass the explanations (or load a jumpstart script), but a novice
>> would get a detailed explanation of what the choices are and what they
>> mean for the final installed system.
>>
>> My $0.02.
>>
>> Cheers
>> C David Rigby
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

Stabilized without hiccups at 128mb ram , that's without youtube lagging out
, you can go lower no doubt.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Dallas Wiebelhaus wrote:

> By the way , Chrome fits in like it's native and is running hella fast on
> this DE on my test box. I'm about to crank the ram down and see how low I
> can get.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Andrew Woodhead <
> andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is kinda surplus, the system is still ubuntu based so the standard
>> repos can be used to install apps if they are needed.
>> If the OS is going to be as it says below, you may as well install a
>> minimal install then have a gui to select apps which can then be installed
>> off the repos. This however isn't the case, we are trying to make a smalland
>> efficient distro with a decent amount of functionality without bloating the
>> system with the likes of evolution, openoffice and firefox. These are fully
>> installable once the installation has completed but the initial base system
>> should be slick and quick
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:14 AM, C David Rigby 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 18:40 +0100, Ed Hewitt and several others wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Restating the obvious, but the engineering trade off is always between
>>> "ease of use/fully featured" on the one hand and lightweight on the
>>> other. The necessary criterion is to decide what we really want to
>>> build, and make it unique and useful enough to attract interest.
>>>
>>> I've proposed it before, but I'll say it again as more people are on the
>>> list now (sorry that I've missed the IRC meetings for the last two weeks
>>> where the app mix has been the topic of discussion). How about the
>>> possibility of a very slim base install with the installer offering
>>> "bundles" to meet individual needs and desires? Something like the
>>> FreeBSD or Debian text installers comes to mind.
>>>
>>> The base installation would be just a command-line, network-capable
>>> system plus enough of X to get LXDE operational. We would be pushing the
>>> real work to the installer. The installer, whether text-based or
>>> grahpical, would need to provide a lot of choices of bundles to
>>> install.
>>>
>>> More importantly, I think the installer should provide something I have
>>> yet to see. That something is extensive documentation of the choices of
>>> bundles of applications, and what they mean in terms of system
>>> performance vs features. It should be organized so that a savvy user
>>> could bypass the explanations (or load a jumpstart script), but a novice
>>> would get a detailed explanation of what the choices are and what they
>>> mean for the final installed system.
>>>
>>> My $0.02.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> C David Rigby
>>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

Give me a few days (as the work week is here) And I can get something ready
that we can pass around. That is with the go ahead from the people running
this thing , I was told on IRC that they were still working on something
before releasing an ISO , But in any case now or later I'm willing to do
this.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:26 PM, jon york  wrote:

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Dallas Wiebelhaus 
Date: Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy &
Slow)
To: David Sugar 


I'm going to back off for a little bit and see how things pan out , I'll
continue to experiment on my own but I certainly don't want to step on
anyone's toes or get ahead of the founders of the project.

I do have a question however for anyone who hacks on PCfileman , Is there
native samba browsing or do you have to mount the shared locations via the
CLI?
And if you do have to do it manually are there any plans to include native
network browsing in the future?

Thanks!




On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 12:27 PM, David Sugar wrote:

> This question is also tied to the goal of shortening overall system boot
> time for Ubuntu, so I think there is both active work in that area which
> may help address this already, and whatever is separately learned here
> may well apply to the rest of Ubuntu as well.
>
> Ed Hewitt wrote:
> > Apart from choosing the right applications for the distro, the other
> > thing we need to think about is background services. Xubuntu major
> > problems is the amount of background services it has. On a standard
> > install of Xubuntu, there is about 90 processes when you boot to the
> > desktop for the first time, in Ubuntu there is 103. On my install of
> > Ubuntu minimal + LXDE there is 85. It seems quite high compared to
> > Windows XP which is around 20 to 25 and Windows Vista which is around 40.
> >
> > There is a problem here which i believe we need to address. I try and
> > solve the problem by installing BUM and using the services manager in
> > Ubuntu, but you can only turn on/off about 15-20 services. We need to
> > look into the core of Ubuntu and see what services are necessary and
> > which ones we can remove. I am guessing there are some server services
> > which come with ubuntu minimal which we could remove, since they will be
> > not necessary for a desktop experience.
> >
> >
> > 
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Personal testing.

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

I have both successfully built both a "Full featured" Desktop and a
"Minimalist Base install" but not without issues.

First being native network browsing , Pcfileman is unable to do this without
manually mounting the shares via the CLI. Maybe a script master could work
something up?

Second being without nautilus dependencies Dropbox nor Ubuntu One will work.
(Which for me is a must and I'm sure it is for others)

Now I have verified that Brasero no longer requires Gnome dependencies so
that may be an option for burning functionalities.

Also both Open Office and Abiword work fine but with Abiword performing
better , Open Office performance is acceptable , Experience may vary
depending on system specifications , But honestly pretty much every thing
performs great on this DE.

If anyone would be kind enough to either educate me or help solve these
issues , I'll keep working on it.

Thanks!

Also on temp msgboard here:
http://lubuntu.forumotion.com/bundled-software-f1/update-on-personal-testing-t9.htm#23
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Estimate on test-iso

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

I gathered from here:

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop

After the next IRC meeting , in the 2 week range , excluding the Holiday I'm
sure.

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:25 AM, jon york  wrote:

>  Hi Guys and Gals,
>
> just wondering if we could have an estimate on when we will have an
> "official test iso" that we can all try out?
>
> thanks
>
> Jon York
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Project Q's

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

It may Also benefit you to read what's already in place:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/UbuntuLxdeDesktop

http://www.lxde.org/

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop



On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:49 PM, David Sugar wrote:

> Perhaps this offers an opportunity for someone to put together an
> initial Lubuntu "FAQ" on the wiki...
>
> jon york wrote:
> > Alright, not that I want to start any E-fights, but I do believe these
> > are serious questions that need to be answered
> >
> > in any project, there needs to be a driving reason behind it other then
> > "because", also, there needs to be a reason for people to try it, and
> > switch, or else this project will eventually fail.
> >
> > in light of this, here are my questions
> >
> > 1- what will Lubuntu offer that any other version of *buntu does not
> offer?
> > 2- what kind of performance increase shall we see with Lubuntu?
> > 3- what is our geographic and demographic target?
> > 4- is Lxde ready for its own *Buntu variant?
> > 5- how will Lubuntu compared to Xubuntu in terms of GB install, Ram
> > usage, performance and functionality?
> > 6- what is the projected usage curve for this project?
> >
> > these are hard questions to answer, however they do need to be
> > addressed. I own a computer repair and sale company in Canada, and I and
> > currently in university studying accounting and marketing. regardless of
> > how we feel about it, we are competing for market share with countless
> > Linux's including which many variants, official or not of Ubuntu. Is
> > this system competing against all distro's? Xubuntu only? Ubuntu and
> > Xubuntu? #!? or is it a system that will be aimed for the Windows/mac
> > user to switch.
> >
> > Jon York
> >
> >
> > 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Project Q's

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

The U-Lite Creator Shae Smittle is on board for this endeavor:

http://u-lite.org/content/status-updates

You guys should relax , these things take a while and everyone is busy ,
Things are progressing at individual levels right now so that once everyone
gets together for some real progress we will all have our ducks in a row.
But it's important to note that I'm not a founder of this thing nor anyone
particularly special.
So I have no "Insider information" But I'm sure things will start to
progressing shortly. I've been testing the hell out of builds and
dependencies and packages so when the time comes and the final hammer falls
on "Burning software? Anyone , So & so doesn't require this that and the
other , but this does and the gui is horrid , I suggest we look into this ,
Because it's perfect for this application!" And that man can say that with
confidence because he's hammered it out on his own and knows for a fact what
the deal is.

"Just another distro" type things move quickly without much real thought or
direction , this on the other hand is not like that , this will take time
and patience and perseverance.

Cheers!

On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:17 PM, jon york  wrote:

>  I am glad to see that I am not alone with these concerns for the project.
> I do not wish to be the stick in the wheel, nor the stormy little raincloud.
> Personally, computing minimalism is something I feel strongly about, and
> really wish this trend to take wind. One thing that has been bugging me
> since I took part of this, is the seemingly (to me anyways) lack of
> cohesiveness, or coordination of this project. It has been two weeks, and
> still I see no advancement. Maybe I am too far removed, but if not, I have
> the time everyday of the week to read and coordinate emails. If possible,
> and if wished, I could conceivably arrange those contributors into smaller,
> cohesive groups which will allow us to be an official release for 9.10.
>
> I do not mean to step over any toes, or insult anyone by this. I am simply
> stating that I have the time, and the willingness to be a project
> coordinator. If there is one such coordinator, (mario?) I offer my help to
> him or her
>
> Jon York
>
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 02:21:32 +0100
> > From: lpro...@gmail.com
> > To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
> > Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Project Q's
>
> >
> > 2009/7/7 jon york :
> > > Alright, not that I want to start any E-fights, but I do believe these
> are
> > > serious questions that need to be answered
> > >
> > > in any project, there needs to be a driving reason behind it other then
> > > "because", also, there needs to be a reason for people to try it, and
> > > switch, or else this project will eventually fail.
> >
> > I concur.
> >
> > I am somewhat dismayed by what I've read so far. This seems to me to
> > be just another gratuitous "let's do a version of Ubuntu with our
> > favourite desktop environment on it" effort to me, frankly.
> >
> > Firstly, there is an existing effort to create a lightweight version
> > of Ubuntu. It's called U-Lite (formerly Ubuntu Lite until Canonical
> > had Words), being developed largely solo by Shae Smittle.
> >
> > http://u-lite.org/
> >
> > So Lubuntu seems to be rather duplicating this effort.
> >
> > Secondly, If Lubuntu wants to be a lightweight distro for low-end
> > machines, then there is simply no point including large, heavyweight
> > apps such as OpenOffice.
> >
> > There is no reason that a cut-down Linux should not run happily on 15
> > to 20 year old PC hardware - and back in those days, when production
> > volumes were much lower and PCs were much more expensive, they were
> > built of higher-quality components and are quite likely to still be
> > working fine.
> >
> > 192MB of RAM and a few gig of disk is not a particularly lightweight
> > PC. That spec will run Windows XP if you're patient, and a hundred
> > other Linux distros. It will, for example, run Xubuntu quite well.
> >
> > The big gap in the Linux ecosystem is lower down than that. It is for
> > machines which were meant for Windows 98: 64-128MB RAM and 1GB of disk
> > or less.
> >
> > Yes, distros like Puppy Linux and Damn Small Linux will run on this,
> > but they are dramatically constrained and both are designed to run
> > from bootable CDs, not to be installed onto a hard disk. This poses
> > various problems.
> > [1] They are not easy to install.
> > [2] Once installed, they are not easy to keep updated.
> > [3] It's also not trivial to add new applications, remove existing
> > ones and so on.
> > [4] Many very old, very low-spec PCs can't boot from CD anyway. Indeed
> > of my own half a dozen PCs still in regular use, none can boot off a
> > USB stick, and these are all from the 21st century and run modern OSs
> > just fine.
> >
> > There is a real gap in the market for a VERY lightweight Linux desktop
> > aimed at such machines. Bear in mind, if it runs on a 64MB box in
> > 500MB of disk, it will 

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Project Q's

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

Mr. Liam Proven , As I'm sure you well know bickering in the mailing list is
strictly prohibited , If I somehow offend you I apologize but any further
discussion should be handled in private , Please feel free to email me or
call and we can discuss it , Thanks.

Cheers!

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Liam Proven  wrote:

> 2009/7/8 Dallas Wiebelhaus :
> > The U-Lite Creator Shae Smittle is on board for this endeavor:
> >
> > http://u-lite.org/content/status-updates
>
> I know. He told me about this product and this list. He's helping you
> out, giving you guys the benefit of his experience; what are *you*
> guys doing for *him*?
>
> > You guys should relax , these things take a while and everyone is busy ,
>
> Relax? I ask a series of serious questions, you give me a quick
> brush-off, don't answer any of them and *you* tell *me* I should
> relax? I'm incredulous!
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

I agree with Martin-Éric Racine and thanks for the patch as well ,
Cheers.

2009/8/30 Martin-Éric Racine 

> Looking at what the resulting lubuntu-desktop package tries to pull:
>
> 1) sysinfo -- As this pulls the whole MONO framework along, I contend
> that the inclusion of this is contrary to the goal of keeping Lubuntu
> lightweight, so I'd recommend its removal.
>
> 2) gstreamer0.10-alsa -- We already depend on alsa-base, alsa-utils,
> gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio so depending upon this is unnecessary.
>
> 3) language-pack-en -- Why not let the use choose their language packs
> using existing tools?
>
> 4) bluez-gnome -- this is actually replaced by gnome-bluetooth starting
> with Karmic. Outdated seed?
>
> 5) mirage -- Why not use gthumb instead? Similar features, plus camera
> import via libgphoto2.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

Scott , We are all grown folks and we also understand that David Sugar is
more or less the boss here , There will be no foul play.

Now let's be positive and congratulate everyone on a job well done and wish
everyone a Fantastic week end of whatever tickles your fancy!

Cheers folks! It's POETS.


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> Additionally, the seeds are currently controlled by an open team with
> 118 members.  I do not see this as a recipe for success.
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Preferred Lubuntu install instructions?

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

Right now you can just perform a command line installation and then add the
Lxde packages

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Mike Shaw  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I know you can throw LXDE on an Ubuntu a million different ways but
> what is the preferred method?  Should this be used as a reference:
>
> http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Ubuntu
>
> I've searched the wiki but haven't found anything.
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Congrats!

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

He probably just installed via command line.

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Adam Gonnerman wrote:

> Sorry.  Duh.  Of course I meant "nowhere near ready."
>
> Adam Gonnerman
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Adam Gonnerman 
> wrote:
>
>> I think it's generally understood that Lubuntu is nowhere near download.
>> I have a copy of the B14 iso that I downloaded and tried out.
>>
>> It seems like anticipation is building.
>>
>> Adam Gonnerman
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:01 PM, McLovin  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>- http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7520/1.html
>>>- read this, much fun!
>>>- Jon York
>>>
>>>
>>> How did this guy get the testing iso's? are they public already? I
>>> thought they were still private. This is no where near ready for public
>>> review, or testing. This should still be in private testing, we haven't even
>>> finalized the apps list yet.
>>> though it's good that he gave a good review, this should not be public
>>> yet.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Tested on MSI Wind U100

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

I agree with David. Also anyone who is performing these highly specialized
installations is certainly going to have the knowledge required to open the
command line and "sudo apt-get whatever gui or lack thereof" he/she wants.


n Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:26 PM, David Sugar wrote:

> I actually was not suggesting there should be such a remix.  I was
> suggesting however that one could potentially do this with mini-iso
> install by selecting them explicitly at install time if we have lxde
> desktop as a task in mini-iso.  And yes, one could do a server install
> and add lxde/lubuntu after.  It can in some cases be useful to have a
> local server gui console.  Another interesting scenario is ltsp.
>
> Mikhail Maksimov wrote:
> > Hello.
> >
> > Just one thing I wanted to note: server GUI is a bad idea. If you want
> > server, you install server, if you want a workstation on low-grade
> > hardware, you install Lubuntu. If you have low-grade hardware to use as
> > a server, you definitely shouldn't be wasting the precious (and, oh, so
> > limited!) RAM and CPU resources on GUI instead of serving something.
> >
> > If someone wants to have lubuntu desktop on server, there's always an
> > option of installing server then adding any desktop environment, or
> > maybe installing Lubuntu then switching to the server kernel. But I
> > think all the possible "mix" options should not be part of Lubuntu
> > installer, nor should there be a separate server+LXDE remix of Lubuntu
> > (Ubuntu?)
> >
> > Regards!
> > Mikhail
> >
> > PS If you don't like vi, you can use nano, it's part of the server
> > install and it is WYSIWIG.
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Josef A. Beroeatwarin
> > mailto:rajatanpacel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hai everybody
> >
> > Hai I tested Lubuntu on my MSI wind U100, I am not a pro like you
> > guys but I like to have my hands on it because I really believe
> lubuntu
> > will be much better the Xubuntu. And of course I WANT to have a very
> > lightweight linux on my netbook and PC.
> >
> > I am running on Ubuntu 9.10 remix  installed on my MSI Wind U100,
> > after I while I started with Apt to install LXDE
> > After running on LXDE I was satisfied and very optimistic that  it
> > will be one  that  I am looking for.( after a lot of  switching for
> > linux to linux)
> >
> > Here are the problems on the MSI wind U100:
> >
> > * Filemanager Pcman  0.5.1 on the left windows are drives displayed
> > twice. if you click one of the with the same name you will get an
> > error-message "Directory doesnt exist"
> > * Wicd it a very nice looking piece but to bad, to while connection
> > the the wirelles network (WEP) ofcourse it was validated but I got
> > an error message "Connection failed:Unable get IP Adress" that was
> > during the status "Obtaining IP address.
> > * I have no sound I realize I have no mixer something like that so I
> > dont know if its muting or not.
> > * FN keys. FN+F4 and FN+F5 is working very well,its for dimming
> > the back-light and  FN+F12 sleep mode is working but after wakeup
> > its starting to sleep again and again after wakeup
> > *My bluetooth is witched on with FN+F11 but no blue-tooth detected
> > (sorry I forgot to listed with lsusb before installing ubuntu remix
> > again)
> > * Harddisk external and flashdisk is working very well.
> >
> > My Questions,request,Ideas,what I hope very soon or whatever it is.
> >
> > 1. The Lubuntu in alpha stage on iso,when. Ofcourse everybody is
> busy.
> > 2. Lubuntu on flash disk image because there is alot of netbooks
> > without CD or DVD.
> > 3. Sometimes I got netbook that has an SDcard as HDA is it
> > compatible with it ?
> > 4. I think Lubuntu will be great for creating server from old PC's
> > with GUI interface instead having console at from your nose and
> > doing that Vi thing.Maybe is there somebody can make a server
> > edition. While installing you can choose what of kind of server do
> > you want to install.
> > 5. And nice front-end for backup that can make image of the drives.
> > 6. Do you guys think that thunderbird and firefox take of computer
> > sources especially nower days there is allot of websites based on
> > flash  like  farmville it make even windows xp slow.
> > 7. What is the other syntax like dmesg and lsusb that I can use to
> > get info out of my toys and to send to you guys.
> > 8. Last thing that I want to say is.. I am sorry for starting asking
> > allot of questions even the alpha  is not out yet...
> >
> > Well guys thats it... I hope its enough for the input.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] lubuntu desktop image?

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

You can also command line install from the mini.iso and then grab the meta
packages from launchpad , that's the most up to date way of doing it as of
now. afaik there's no official test iso right now.

Cheers.

On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 7:48 AM, Zoltan Matlak  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> There has been lots of emails about what packages to include in the new
> LUbuntu distribution. Seems like the list is somewhat final. I would like to
> install it and test the current version. I could not find any iso image
> available. Could you please guide me what to do?
>
> As a temporary solution what I did, is I first got a masonux distribution
> (9.10 beta2, it's an Ubuntu 9.10 + LXDE distro) and then
> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
>
> Any ISO image and/or usb image would do (found some old ones from
> september, but since then lot of things changed).
>
> Thanks for your help in advance.
> Zoltan
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ubucompilator

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

Sorry dude but I don't see any reason why Lubuntu would need a compiler
unless the user decided to use one , But thanks for the heads up , nice
prog. Cheers.

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 4:58 AM, gusions  wrote:

> Hi i will talk about a new software: Ubucompilator (lubucompilator for
> lxde user)!
>
> Ubucompilator is a new software to improve the user experience at the
> time of compilation!
>
> I will proprose the software at the lubuntu's peopole.
>
> You can look the ubucompilator blog a this adress
> http://ubucompilator.wordpress.com/
>
> Best Regards, Gusions.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Browsers comparison on slow machine

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

I agree , Also Chrome seems to handle web services better and the addons are
going to be cross platform for the most part.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:09 PM,  wrote:

> Hey if chromium is pulling those types of low numbers then there is no
> question any ram saved on an old pute is a life line.
>
>
> > Hi, all.
> >
> > I've resurrected an ancient PC to try Lubuntu. Celeron 400 MHz, 256 Mb
> > RAM and a 20 Gb PATA HDD. Here's my impression of running different
> > browsers on the specified hardware.
> >
> > Testing method:
> > 1. Install Lubuntu from Lucid alpha2 preview2 iso.
> > 2. Install additional browsers (Chromium, Midori, Arora) from default
> > Lucid repos.
> > 3. For each of the four available browsers, measure startup time and
> > memory usage on a freshly-booted machine (no executables cached), with
> > homepage set to about:blank (no downloading/rendering on startup).
> > 4. For each of the four available browsers, try to load three tabs:
> > - open google.com, search for "Lubuntu";
> > - open my gmail account, navigate to a 47-letters thread in
> > lubuntu-desktop list ("default browser" discussion), hit "expand all"
> > and wait for all to expand;
> > - open http://www.rbc.ru, a news site in Russian with several Flash
> > banners on the start page.
> > 5. Examine memory usage afterwards.
> >
> > All memory usage numbers are listed as reported by Xfce4 Taskmanager
> > with default settings (ie, with "Show memory used by cache as free"
> > option active). These values are total numbers, including any memory
> > used by system. A freshly-booted system with just taskmanager running
> > reports 50..58 Mb RAM used.
> >
> > Startup times and memory usage after loading (homepage is about:blank,
> > if applicable):
> > Firefox: 13 seconds, 85 Mb.
> > Chromium: 8..10 s, 81 Mb.
> > Arora: 12 s, 78 Mb.
> > Midori: 17 s, 108 Mb.
> >
> > Common problems noticed:
> > 1. Standard Gmail interface is slow. After initializing, it occupies
> > about half CPU capacity constantly. Occasionally, several  seconds'
> > delays happen just as I type this text.
> > 2. Flash literally kills everything.  Several gtk-gnash processes take
> > up all CPU power the machine has. Several times, I had to wait for
> > more than 10 minutes (!) until taskmanager window gets redrawn and I'm
> > able to see memory usage.
> >
> > Arora problem: never finished expanding the 47 messages thread. "Still
> > Working" message remains shown for more than 10 minutes, and there are
> > about 15 messages not expanded.
> >
> > Firefox problem: while expanding 47 messages, gmail shows
> > "unresponsive script" warning at least once. Apparently, the script is
> > suspended until the user makes a choice, so the loading process needs
> > close user attention.
> >
> > Midori: initially, gmail did not identify it as a fully compatible
> > browser and loaded a reduced "compatible" interface. However, after
> > changing the reported browser type to Firefox in preferences, no
> > problems encountered with the full version of gmail interface.
> >
> > Memory usage with three tabs loaded:
> > Firefox: 150..160 Mb.
> > Arora: 175..185 Mb.
> > Midori: 175..185 Mb.
> > Chromium: 135..145 Mb.
> >
> > Conclusion: on low-grade hardware, flash and script-rich pages are
> > painfully slow regardless of the browser. On less than 192 Mb RAM, you
> > are likely to experience swapping with several pages opened in any
> > browser.
> >
> > Given the available options, my vote is for Chromium *and* disabling
> > flash by default. Best is to start playing flash only after the user
> > clicks on it, however I'm not sure if it's possible without hacking
> > the browser code.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mikhail
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC meeting : Sunday 14 February 15:00 UTC

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

Doug , Honestly dude wouldn't you rather "Celebrate" the holiday? Yea me
to...lol.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Douglas Stanley wrote:

> This is also St. Valentines day here in the states. Some of us (like
> my self) may not be able to make
> it due to the "wife getting pissed at me for spending time with the
> computer instead of her" factor :)
>
> Doug
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Mario Behling  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > yes, very good. We need an IRC. February 14 is Lunar New Year (Chinese
> > New Year, Tet in Vietnam etc) though. Many people in Asia might be
> > busy and not able to participate.
> >
> > Can we make it one week later? February 21? Or maybe have one again on
> > February 21 in case anyone would like to add something to the
> > discussion?
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Ciao Mario
> >
> >
> > PS: In any case, the time seems good to have many people participating
> > from all over the world. Only for the Middle East it is a bit early:
> >
> http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=2&day=14&year=2010&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 5:47 AM, Julien Lavergne 
> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I would like to plan an IRC meeting, for all people interesting in the
> >> Lubuntu development, on Sunday 14 February 15:00 UTC. It will be the
> >> occasion to finalize the list of default applications, and for people
> >> who want to ask questions about the development.
> >>
> >> This meeting will take place on the #lubuntu chan on freenode.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Julien Lavergne
> >
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Last changes to applications installed by default

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Fantastic! Thank you.

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> First, I would like to thanks all people for their feedbacks.
> Also, I know people will be disagree about some choices, but we can't
> make all people agreed :) Remember that the goal is to provide a
> distribution ready to use, especially designed for low ressource
> hardware.
> This list can evolve before the final release, but I would like to not
> change it too much, so we can focus on bug fix and integration.
> So, this is the last changes proposal :
>
> === chromium for the browser ===
> Well, it's not because Chromium is the best, it's more because the
> others options is not really suitable, for different reasons :
> - Firefox have serious performance problem on limited hardware.
> - Midori have limited features, limited upstream ressources (compare to
> others), with not significant ressources gain.
>
> === gnome-mplayer for videos ===
> There is no reason to keep smplayer which bring extra depends on QT,
> when gnome-mplayer have the same functionalities.
>
> === network-manager instead of wicd ===
> This was not planned at the first time, but there are the reasons : new
> version of wicd (1.7.0) use 2 instances, and this double the among of
> memory it used. Also, there is some reports that wireless is not
> supported in some cases.
> Network-manager is not perfect, but the support is quite good, and we
> can share the maintenance with other teams. Also, memory usage is not
> that bad, but it's definitely better than wicd.
>
> === Using pcmanfm2 instead of old pcmanfm ===
> Lubuntu Lucid will be the first real release for Lubuntu. It's not the
> end, but I hope the beginning for it. It makes more sense to use
> directly the futur pcmanfm, than working on the old one which will be
> deprecated very soon.
>
> For others part, no change. It's mean, keeping Aqualung for music player
> and Sylpheed for e-mail. There was arguments for and against Sylpheed,
> some preferred Claw-Mails. But there is no big arguments for a switch,
> as the memory and CPU usage are the same, and main functionalities are
> in both clients.
>
> I'll made the changes to the Lubuntu packages and release a testing ISO
> tomorrow or Monday. We will have a complete week to test it, until the
> IRC meeting next Sunday, and do adjustments if it's needed.
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New testing ISO 20100215

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Alright! Thanks mate.

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I just created a new testing ISO. This is not an Alpha, but just a
> snapshot of the current work to be able to test more the new features.
> Like others Alpha, you should be aware that it's not considered stable,
> see warnings for Lucid Alpha :
>
> "Pre-releases of Lucid are *not* encouraged for anyone needing a stable
> system or anyone who is not comfortable running into occasional, even
> frequent breakage.  They are, however, recommended for Ubuntu developers
> and those who want to help in testing, reporting, and fixing bugs."
>
> Changes seen the Alpha 2 :
> * Main changes in the seed :
>  - chromium for the browser
>  - gnome-mplayer for the videos
>  - network-manager for the network
> * New artwork made by Rafael Laguna. It's not the final theme, but it's
> quite complete, so we can test with a non standard artwork. And I like
> it :)
> * A new session (Lubuntu-Netbook), which launched lxlauncher. You need
> to logout, select Lubuntu-Netbook session instead of Lubuntu, and enter
> login "ubuntu" without password.
>
> Known bugs:
> * pcmanfm2 is not the default filemanager yet, it need more integration
> to be usable. It is still available by using "pcmanfm2"
> * If you test on a USB, the first screen will freeze for a moment when
> you click on "Try Lubuntu ...". Just wait, it will continue as normal.
> * Bug reported during testing :
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam
>
> Download : http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-lucid-20100215.iso
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New testing ISO 20100215

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This is shaping up very very well.

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:46 AM, Steve  wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 01:13:19 -, Julien Lavergne 
> wrote:
>
>  Hi,
>>
>> I just created a new testing ISO. This is not an Alpha, but just a
>> snapshot of the current work to be able to test more the new features.
>> Like others Alpha, you should be aware that it's not considered stable,
>> see warnings for Lucid Alpha :
>>
>> "Pre-releases of Lucid are *not* encouraged for anyone needing a stable
>> system or anyone who is not comfortable running into occasional, even
>> frequent breakage.  They are, however, recommended for Ubuntu developers
>> and those who want to help in testing, reporting, and fixing bugs."
>>
>> Changes seen the Alpha 2 :
>> * Main changes in the seed :
>>  - chromium for the browser
>>  - gnome-mplayer for the videos
>>  - network-manager for the network
>> * New artwork made by Rafael Laguna. It's not the final theme, but it's
>> quite complete, so we can test with a non standard artwork. And I like
>> it :)
>> * A new session (Lubuntu-Netbook), which launched lxlauncher. You need
>> to logout, select Lubuntu-Netbook session instead of Lubuntu, and enter
>> login "ubuntu" without password.
>>
>> Known bugs:
>> * pcmanfm2 is not the default filemanager yet, it need more integration
>> to be usable. It is still available by using "pcmanfm2"
>> * If you test on a USB, the first screen will freeze for a moment when
>> you click on "Try Lubuntu ...". Just wait, it will continue as normal.
>> * Bug reported during testing :
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam
>>
>> Download : 
>> http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-lucid-20100215.iso
>>
>> Regards,
>> Julien Lavergne
>>
>>
>>  Currently booting, will let you know in 3-4 hours whether a fresh install
> is a success or not.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Colourchange?

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+1 4 Blue.

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Sylkis  wrote:

> I still like blue better. for me it doesn't really matter that there
> are othes blue distros, it's just a good looking colour and I gues
> everything's aesthetical with it, unlike with green imo. I mea, it is
> possible to make sth look good with green, but i think it would be
> really dissicult to match it to lubuntu - a very narrow selection of
> green shades is aesthetical for such use, and it matches poorly with
> other colours. I think that even red or purple would do better, but
> that's my personal opinion. maybe gray variations would be nice too,
> or maybe we could mix many colours, instead of keeping everyting in
> one? mixture of blue, dark green, with white, gray and black accents.
> what do you think? I just don't really think it looks good in just
> green. but decision is up to whole community ;)
>
> 2010/2/17 jo franz :
> > look, we didnt even agree on the logo in the artwork team. There are so
> many
> > ideas. But if you guys say green would be ok or even better than blue,
> the
> > artwork-team could concentrate on designing green logos.  just look at
> the
> > attachement! these are just some from dozens of ideas.
> >
> > 2010/2/17 Sylkis 
> >>
> >> I know it's a quickly made paintswitch, but that greeness and metallic
> >> LXDE logo doesn't really fit imo, maybe a change should go even
> >> further for a nice result?
> >>
> >>
> >> 2010/2/17 jo franz :
> >> > i just made some with kolourpaint... wait, ill attach them
> >> >
> >> > 2010/2/17 Glen Bizeau 
> >> >>
> >> >> Can we see some quick concepts?
> >> >>
> >> >> Green is a pleasing color, I personally prefer dark themes :)
> >> >>
> >> >> GB
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:23 PM, jo franz  >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > hey guys, someone from the artworkteam had a really good idea
> today:
> >> >> > what
> >> >> > about a change from blue to green? we would have to change all the
> >> >> > wallpapers, logos and  the whole design, but i think it would be
> >> >> > worth
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > time. The Kubuntu logo is blue, also the one from Xubuntu - why
> >> >> > shouldn't we
> >> >> > try something new? Lubuntu will be a standalone Distribution - we
> >> >> > don't
> >> >> > have
> >> >> > to take the same colours as the other official ubuntu-derivates.
> The
> >> >> > colour
> >> >> > green "would fit nicely with the idea of lxde using less
> resources",
> >> >> > how
> >> >> > "jekopsch", the one who had this idea, said.
> >> >> > So what do you think, guys?
> >> >> >
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Notes

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+1

2010/2/28 神癒礁湖 

>  Another suggestion. It would be great to have a notes applications, like
> Tomboy, bu without its resource hungry. So I think XPAD would be great. What
> do you think?
>
>
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[Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] Site Recommendation: Bill White for Texas

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

Hello,

As Texas' next Governor, Bill White will challenge Texans to lead, not
leave, the United States. Our state deserves leaders who can bring
people together and move our state forward.

As Mayor of Houston, Bill was twice re-elected with margins averaging
88% of the vote. He earned the trust of the people he represented
concentrating on the things that matter most to ordinary Texas families
including better education, health care , safe neighborhoods, clean air,
and affordable energy.

He has been hailed as a strong leader and a problem-solver, with the
Houston Chronicle saying that he's "deftly steered Houston through
fiscal and tropical storms."

Isn't that kind of leader that we need now in Austin?

Bill will work to create new jobs across the state. He will improve
educational achievement in grades K-12, improve high school graduation
rates, and reduce the costs of college. He knows Texas cannot be its
best with skyrocketing insurance and electric rates and a ranking of
dead last in number of children with access to health insurance.

Bill White's leadership as Governor provides a unique opportunity for
the future of Texas.  I support Bill and urge you to do the same. You
can find out more on his website at

www.billwhitefortexas.com.
 
Please help Bill Help us.

By the way , I just added all contacts so if you were a random
craisglist conversation or something similar or some of my contacts
across the pond , My apologies.

Cheers , Dallas.

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[needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta
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Status in Ubuntu: Fix Released
Status in “pam” package in Debian: Invalid

Bug description:
I have a preliminary seed and meta for this related to Karmic blueprint 
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop 
and this should get uploaded to revu later today.



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Intersting Article

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

Yes.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Andrew Woodhead <
andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> I don't contest the results but can someone explain how a lighter DE uses
> less power? Is it because the CPU is used less so takes less juice?
> Nice article though. KDE is really bloated and the Kubuntu team is quite
> small.
>
> -Andy
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Glen Bizeau  wrote:
>
>> I especially like the little list at the bottom
>>
>> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/KDE-a-resource-hog-949634.html
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