Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] apport hooks

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Well, it's no rocket science, really ;) Give it a try, maybe you're going to
enjoy it ;)

Now lubuntu-desktop resides in the official repo so you no longer need the
add-apt-repository magic... ;)

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 12:05 AM, matthew byers wrote:

> Well the mini iso idea as great a idea as it is, it proves to be a bit much
> for a user to simply want to install lubuntu! I just reinstalled 10.10 fresh
> so i may attempt to upgrade from there (maybe, i always was a fan of 10.10)
>
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Mikhail Maksimov wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> you can try making a bootable USB with Ubuntu mini-ISO, install a
>> commandline system then apt-get install lubuntu-desktop.
>>
>> You can also try upgrading your existing 10.10 install.
>>
>> Regards!
>> Mikhail
>>
>>   On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 3:11 PM, matthew byers > > wrote:
>>
>>>   I used the startup tool in Ubuntu that gave the same results of the
>>> bug.
>>>   On May 17, 2011 2:32 AM, "Julien Lavergne" 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Le 17 mai 2011 à 03:20, matthew byers  a
>>> écrit :
>>> >
>>> >> Sounds like fun!! I assume any written now will be for next cycle?
>>> With that being said, due to this bug:
>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/782997
>>> >> I am unable to install lubuntu on my netbook or laptop. I ask if
>>> anybody has been able to take a look at it as i will have to stick to 10.10
>>> until this is resolved.
>>> >
>>> > Yes it is for next cycle and you should use the ubuntu tool to generate
>>> the USB. It is usually better than unebootin.
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Julien Lavergne
>>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] apport hooks

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Hi,

you can try making a bootable USB with Ubuntu mini-ISO, install a
commandline system then apt-get install lubuntu-desktop.

You can also try upgrading your existing 10.10 install.

Regards!
Mikhail

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 3:11 PM, matthew byers wrote:

> I used the startup tool in Ubuntu that gave the same results of the bug.
> On May 17, 2011 2:32 AM, "Julien Lavergne" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Le 17 mai 2011 à 03:20, matthew byers  a écrit
> :
> >
> >> Sounds like fun!! I assume any written now will be for next cycle? With
> that being said, due to this bug:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/782997
> >> I am unable to install lubuntu on my netbook or laptop. I ask if anybody
> has been able to take a look at it as i will have to stick to 10.10 until
> this is resolved.
> >
> > Yes it is for next cycle and you should use the ubuntu tool to generate
> the USB. It is usually better than unebootin.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Julien Lavergne
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] system requirements (workaround created!)

[Mikhail Maksimov]

>
> If I understand you correctly, Lubuntu 11.04 default install would (just!)
> fit on a 2GB (binary GB) disk.


Correct. *And* the resulting install will likely be unusable due to the lack
of free space.

That's pretty lightweight; can you name any common desktop or laptop i386
> "PC" architecture machines made in the the last ten years for general end
> user use (i.e. not embedded designs) that have less than 2GB of disk
> storage?


I'm not sure is it common or not, but many early netbooks have ridiculously
small drives. Some Asus EEE models have 2GB SSD. Hewlett Packard 6720t
features just 1 GB SSD (I'm shocked!!!)

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Jonathan Marsden wrote:

> Earlier, I wrote:
>
> >> I suspect the number could be lowered to around 9 for a
> >> 1.8GB size check, but I have not tested that yet.
>  to
> On 05/15/2011 12:44 AM, Mikhail Maksimov wrote:
>
> > No it can not. Tests done on alpha3 show that the system requires at
> >  least 2000 MB ("decimal" M) just to install with almost no free
> > space left. Too bad Lubuntu is no longer lightweight in terms of
> > disk footprint.
>
> Thanks for taking the time to do the testing :)
>
> If I understand you correctly, Lubuntu 11.04 default install would
> (just!) fit on a 2GB (binary GB) disk.  That's pretty lightweight; can
> you name any common desktop or laptop i386 "PC" architecture machines
> made in the the last ten years for general end user use (i.e. not
> embedded designs) that have less than 2GB of disk storage?
>
> Setting the limit down from 5.3GB to 2.7GB seems to have helped everyone
> I know of who has come across this issue (most seem to have 3GB or 4GB
> disk space available).
>
> Is there really a sizeable community of Lubuntu users with total disk
> space between 1.8GB and 2.0GB that we need to try to help out?  If so,
> who are they -- can they please identify themselves?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jonathan
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] system requirements (workaround created!)

[Mikhail Maksimov]

er... someone blamed documentation of some sort...  ah, here it is:

*One area where Lubuntu has gained weight is the help documentation for
> Gnumeric and Sylpheed, as well as the Gnome language packs.*


quoted from the lubuntu-desktop list archive, March, 20, 2011.

On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 12:39 PM, PCMan  wrote:

> So who is eating the spaces?
> Many some disk-analyzing tools are needed here.
>
> On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Mikhail Maksimov 
> wrote:
> > Hi, list.
> >
> >> I suspect the number could be lowered to around 9 for a 1.8GB
> size
> >> check, but I have not tested that yet.
> >
> > No it can not. Tests done on alpha3 show that the system requires at
> least
> > 2000 MB ("decimal" M) just to install with almost no free space left. Too
> > bad Lubuntu is no longer lightweight in terms of disk footprint.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mikhail
> >
> > PS I know that the original letter is two weeks old :)
> >
> > On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Jonathan Marsden 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> My workaround works!
> >>
> >> Replying to myself:
> >>
> >> On 05/01/2011 12:29 AM, Jonathan Marsden wrote:
> >>
> >> > There is a file within the Lubuntu 11.04 ISO called
> >> > casper/filesystem.size but it seems to be unchanged since 2010-09-06
> and
> >> > I don't yet know what if anything actually uses it :)
> >>
> >> Based on Julien's very handy pointer to the commit that broke this for
> >> us, I just edited the file casper/filesystem.size in the Lubuntu 11.04
> >> ISO image to say
> >>
> >> 137000
> >>
> >> (a round-ish number about half the value that was previously in the
> >> file, plus 50MB as a safety margin!) and then updated the md5sum.txt
> >> file to reflect that edit, and created myself a modified ISO image from
> >> the result.
> >>
> >> That's a pretty trivial change, but, unlike the official 11.04 image, it
> >> installs and runs fine in a 3GB virtual disk, at least in my initial
> >> testing here (under VirtualBox 4.0.6).
> >>
> >> So, we seem to have a code-free workaround :)  I suspect the number
> >> could be lowered to around 9 for a 1.8GB size check, but I have
> >> not tested that yet.
> >>
> >> I can make this "hacked" ISO available for download, but it is a bit
> >> 'dubious' at this point from a support point of view, since it does not
> >> 'say' anywhere in its menus etc. that I modified it!  I need it to refer
> >> to itself as 11.04.jm1 or something, so it is clearly not the official
> >> Lubuntu 11.04 version, if there is going to be much use of it.
> >>
> >> If anyone has an urgent need for this ISO image, let me know.  It is now
> >> 1am here, and I have to go to work tomorrow (today!!) so I don't have
> >> time to create the ".jm1" identified image right now... I need some
> sleep
> >> :)
> >>
> >> Jonathan
> >>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] system requirements (workaround created!)

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Hi, list.

*I suspect the number could be lowered to around 9 for a 1.8GB size
> check, but I have not tested that yet.*
>

No it can not. Tests done on alpha3 show that the system requires at least
2000 MB ("decimal" M) just to install with almost no free space left. Too
bad Lubuntu is no longer lightweight in terms of disk footprint.

Regards,
Mikhail

PS I know that the original letter is two weeks old :)

On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Jonathan Marsden wrote:

> My workaround works!
>
> Replying to myself:
>
> On 05/01/2011 12:29 AM, Jonathan Marsden wrote:
>
> > There is a file within the Lubuntu 11.04 ISO called
> > casper/filesystem.size but it seems to be unchanged since 2010-09-06 and
> > I don't yet know what if anything actually uses it :)
>
> Based on Julien's very handy pointer to the commit that broke this for
> us, I just edited the file casper/filesystem.size in the Lubuntu 11.04
> ISO image to say
>
> 137000
>
> (a round-ish number about half the value that was previously in the
> file, plus 50MB as a safety margin!) and then updated the md5sum.txt
> file to reflect that edit, and created myself a modified ISO image from
> the result.
>
> That's a pretty trivial change, but, unlike the official 11.04 image, it
> installs and runs fine in a 3GB virtual disk, at least in my initial
> testing here (under VirtualBox 4.0.6).
>
> So, we seem to have a code-free workaround :)  I suspect the number
> could be lowered to around 9 for a 1.8GB size check, but I have
> not tested that yet.
>
> I can make this "hacked" ISO available for download, but it is a bit
> 'dubious' at this point from a support point of view, since it does not
> 'say' anywhere in its menus etc. that I modified it!  I need it to refer
> to itself as 11.04.jm1 or something, so it is clearly not the official
> Lubuntu 11.04 version, if there is going to be much use of it.
>
> If anyone has an urgent need for this ISO image, let me know.  It is now
> 1am here, and I have to go to work tomorrow (today!!) so I don't have
> time to create the ".jm1" identified image right now... I need some sleep
> :)
>
> Jonathan
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Any major "must fix before Beta" issues left in Lubuntu?

[Mikhail Maksimov]

+1 for handling alternate CD as a "main" distribution, with an option to
switch to LiveCD+Ubiquity for those who install Lubuntu on more
resource-rich configurations.

Regards,
Mikhail

2011/3/31 Jorge Andrés Alvarez Oré 

> +1 alternate CD
> It´s suppose that the minimal memory for use Lubuntu is 192MB, but with
> 256MB to install it, it´s impossible to use it with a very old computer.
>
> My suggestion it´s to share a text install (alternate CD) by default.
> Anyway now Lubuntu isn't for beginners Linux user, so with a text install no
> body will be complicated. (My experience: the first Linux distro that i
> install [Ubuntu 7.04], i installed with the alternate CD, with my 256MB of
> ram memory [and Pentium 4 celeron] was impossible to install with GUI. Even
> if was my first install i could do it without a problem. The installations
> it´s intuitive.
> Sorry for my English.
>
> 2011/3/30 PCMan 
>
>> Text based installer + 1.
>> The alternate CD with console-based UI is good enough IMO if it can
>> have l10n user interface.
>> Windows installer has long been text-based since windows 3.1 and it's
>> still text-based in windows xp. Nobody complains of this so why should
>> we insist that there should be a graphical one?
>> Yes, if you boot from Windows xp installer cd on a machine without OS,
>> you'll enter text-based installer. The GUI part is only available
>> after the basic system is set up.
>>
>> Actually, we can do the same.
>> The text-based installer (part I) only installs base system and core
>> components and then reboot and automatically login X11 with a super
>> user. After boot, a GUI-based installer (part II) is launched and
>> continues the remaining parts. This can make things much easier.
>>
>> The only problem with this approach is, we cannot have a good
>> GUI-based UI for partitioning. Windows XP handle this in text-mode,
>> too. However, I see no real problem here. The rationale is quite
>> simple.
>>
>> Users who doesn't know how to use text-based UI are also the ones that
>> will almost always choose "automatic partitioning". Others who like to
>> use "customized" and "manual partitioning" are definitely advanced
>> power users who don't need a GUI installer.
>> So don't put 80% of development resources to do what only 20% people need.
>>
>> Please, if someone know how to work with the text-based debian
>> installer, consider this approach. Let's set up a base system with the
>> text-based one, and continue the remainng parts in a GUI installer
>> after rebooting into X11. This is also what Windows does.
>>
>> Comments?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
>>  wrote:
>> >> >> Unfortunately, it will be very difficult to reduce the memory
>> footprint
>> >> >> of the installer for 11.04.
>> >>
>> >> The other question this poses is, is it really necessary to have a
>> >> graphical installer as the default for Lubuntu?
>> >
>> > Some time ago, there was a question on the mailing list "What do you
>> expect
>> > from Lubuntu" and i think that a very important point is "it will go
>> where
>> > Ubuntu can't" or something like that.
>> > A graphical installer is something that we do only one time (in theory)
>> so
>> > if it's a little "ugly" (text) IMHO i don't see the problem.
>> > --
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] disk space need

[Mikhail Maksimov]

I just finished trying to install Lubuntu Natty Alpha3 on a very small
partition. The results are as follows:

   - with 1800 MB, the installer fails with "not enough disk space"
   - with 1900 MB, the installer reports success, but after rebooting it is
   impossible to log in to the X environment: the screen blinks, and I'm
   presented with the login screen once again. In a text-only terminal
   (Ctrl+Alt+F1 works normally) I'm able to login, but further work is
   impossible. "df -h" reports no free space at all.
   - with 2000 MB, the installation and log in both succeed, but "df -h"
   reports just 70M of free space, which is IMHO well below minimum required to
   do anything substantial.

Thus, I think 3 GB disk is probably the _practical_ minimum for a Lubuntu
Natty system. Too bad it almost doubled since 10.04 :(

Regards,
Mikhail Maksimov

PS The installer's disk editor uses "decimal bytes" so an "MB" in my report
should be read as 100 bytes. If the disk is 2*(1024^3) bytes, you'll get
some 70*(1000*1000) bytes more to work in Natty, provided the system has
enough RAM to not use swap partition :(

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Yorvyk wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 14:44:45 +0100
> 神癒礁湖 "(Rafael Laguna)"  wrote:
>
> > As said on the blog:
> >
> >
> > I can't upgrade my netbook Positivo MOBO (hard drive 2gb only)
> > with lubuntu 10.04 because new versions need more a lot of space
> > (1,5gb > 3,2gb). Why?
> >
> >
> > Does Natty need more space than Maverick?
> >
> It doesn't take much more space than previous versions.  The 3.2GB is just
> some arbitrary amount of space to give you a bit of room for swap etc.  I've
> installed in to a 3GB partion OK.
>
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Natty Alpha3: login screen nuisance

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Hello all.

When logging in to Lubuntu Natty Alpha3 there's a small nuisance: in the
bottom-right corner of the login screen, below the "exit" button, a
strange-looking triangle is displayed.

It proves to be a window resize handle: after it gets dragged via mouse, the
whole login screen is resized as if the "screen" is "window", leaving black
background "outside" and producing weird artifacts on the blue waves
lubuntu-style background "inside".

I'm able to log in normally, so it's definitely not a stopper bug, just a
nuisance.

Sincerely,
Mikhail Maksimov
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Boot problems with Natty Alpha ISOs

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Hello everyone.

Natty Alpha3 boots normally on the box in question, so I guess the problem
was caused by some unidentified minor flaw in the build process for alphas
1&2, silently corrected by the new automated build process for
alpha-20110228 and alpha3.

Aftermath:

   - the CD with all the four alphas (1, 2, 3 and 20110228) are perfectly
   readable on both my "main" machine (the one where the discs were burned) and
   "test" box. "dd if=/dev/cdrom.|md5sum" results are as expected *on
   both systems*.
   - the main machine boots normally from all the four CDs
   - the test box rejects alphas 1&2 (BIOS does not recognize them as
   bootable) but boots normally from the other two alphas.

Thank you all for help.

Sincerely,
Mikhail Maksimov

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Mikhail Maksimov  wrote:

> Hi, all.
>
> I've got a Pentium-IV box to test Lubuntu on. However, I cannot boot it
> from alpha1 or 2 liveCDs. The discs are being rejected by BIOS reporting
> "NON-SYSTEM DISC PLEASE INSERT SYSTEM DISC AND PRESS ENTER". However,
> Lubuntu 10.10 and Natty alpha-20110228 liveCDs both boot normally.
>
> I've installed 10.10 to the machine, then checked, double-checked and
> re-checked again the two alphas that do not boot. Both unbootable CDs are
> perfectly readable and the checksums are correct (once again, I'm checking
> it on the system that refuses to boot from them), so I assume it is not a
> hardware (cd-rom drive vs. cd-rom disc) issue. The BIOS is proven to be
> capable of booting from cd.
>
> I'm willing to do further testing but cannot think of anything to check.
> Any suggestions?
>
> Regards!
> Mikhail Maksimov
>
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Boot problems with Natty Alpha ISOs

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Hi, all.

I've got a Pentium-IV box to test Lubuntu on. However, I cannot boot it from
alpha1 or 2 liveCDs. The discs are being rejected by BIOS reporting
"NON-SYSTEM DISC PLEASE INSERT SYSTEM DISC AND PRESS ENTER". However,
Lubuntu 10.10 and Natty alpha-20110228 liveCDs both boot normally.

I've installed 10.10 to the machine, then checked, double-checked and
re-checked again the two alphas that do not boot. Both unbootable CDs are
perfectly readable and the checksums are correct (once again, I'm checking
it on the system that refuses to boot from them), so I assume it is not a
hardware (cd-rom drive vs. cd-rom disc) issue. The BIOS is proven to be
capable of booting from cd.

I'm willing to do further testing but cannot think of anything to check. Any
suggestions?

Regards!
Mikhail Maksimov
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Dropbox link with md5 checksum is now available, maybe it was some kind of
short outage. The checksum is correct.

On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Phill Whiteside  wrote:

> Hiyas gang, can some confirm the md5 is 1932a563c99ae40721d1f37c3804c372
> for alternate disk, as the md5 checksum link reports a 404 error.
>
> head_injury has the documentation done over at
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/AlternateInstall Again,
> any input on this would be welcome. Once I have couple of confirmations that
> things are okay, I'll release the little bugga into the world :D
>
> thanks,
>
> Phill.
>
>
> On 22 October 2010 23:13, Yorvyk  wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 22:18:58 +0100
>> Phill Whiteside  wrote:
>>
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > As you know I'm severely hampered by the fact that only a basic 9.10
>> ubuntu
>> > can 'see' my 3G device, as the pub is moving company I cannot yet order
>> my
>> > broadband connection. It's very frustrating, but life goes on.
>> >
>> > If you can scribble up a set of notes similar to what I put over at
>> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall I'll
>> tidy
>> > them all up and get it all posted and documented.
>> >
>> Boot from disk, follow instructions :D
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] A small suggestion: Gparted

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Hi, list.

+1 for adding Gparted to the LiveCD. Without it, LiveCD is pretty useless
when you need to rearrange your disk prior to installing.

BTW, on a minimal box with just 128 Mb RAM gparted failed to start off
SystemRescueCD 1.6.1, maybe Lubuntu can perform better on such boxes.

Regards!
Mikhail

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Liam Proven  wrote:

> I have come back to looking at Lubuntu recently after a while away. I
> put 10.04 LTS on a client's old workstation (P4, 256MB RAM, 40G hard
> disk) and today 10.10 on my own laptop (PIII-750, 320MB, 20GB HD).
>
> Both times, I've had the same problem, but it was more severe with 10.10.
>
> I wanted to dual-boot the machines - the P4 with XP and the P3
> notebook with Crunchbang. This means repartitioning, which means I
> need Gparted (or something like it).
>
> On 10.04, I was able to open a terminal, apt-get install gparted, then
> run it, repartition, and install.
>
> On 10.10, though, once I had installed Gparted, it filled up the
> system's RAMdisk and crashed the desktop. No panel, no window manager,
> nothing, just the desktop and Ubiquity icon.
>
> I rebooted and tried again. This time I could run Gparted and make a
> new root filesystem, but then I couldn't run Ubiquity. No error was
> produced. I looked at the properties of the icon to see the command
> but it does not show this rather critical info. I opened a terminal,
> took a guess and changed to /home/lubuntu/Desktop and examined the
> file with "less".
>
> This gave me the basic command to run. Not knowing what the switches
> and parameters mean, I just tried "ubiquity". It failed, segfaulted,
> with an error that there was no space on root.
>
> I rebooted, ran it again from the desktop, and then was able to install.
>
> I rebooted again, manually tweaked my /etc/default/grub file for the
> kernel parms I need (the machine will not boot without acpi=force and
> the screen looks very poor without vga=791, which also gets the
> graphical boot screen working, which does not happen otherwise - I get
> a text one that says Ubuntu not Lubuntu).
>
> Update-manager ran and I accepted the default offerings. Installation
> failed over a clashing library. I had to run
>
> apt-get install -f
>
> ... then
>
> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -y
>
> ... to resolve this.
>
> So finally I have a working system, but install was a bit fraught!
>
> The simplest improvement would be to bundle Gparted on the live CD.
> There's plenty of room - 150MB spare on the disk and Gparted +
> dependencies is under a tenth of that, I think - and that's
> uncompressed.
>
> The other issues, well, I have no direct suggestions, I was merely
> reporting them.
>
> It is a little bigger and slower than Crunchbang but then Crunchbang
> is only Ubuntu 9.04. OTOH, Lubuntu has a full and rather attractive
> desktop, whereas #! is deliberately super-minimal.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-list] Lubuntu 10.10 released

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Well, you don't have to remove the (Gnome) desktop, there's an option to
just not install it. Please see
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall for
details. I believe that if you use Ubuntu alternate CD instead of mini.iso
there's still an option to install a minimal system.

One difference (not so big IMHO) between Lubuntu CD install and minimal
install is eth0 not being nm-managed after a minimal install. Maybe there is
something else, not sure.

Regards!
Mikhail

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Globe Trotter  wrote:

> It would be very nice if there were a 64-bit version of this soon instead
> of using the method of installing first ubuntu and then removing the desktop
> and installing lubuntu-desktop. Does this give us exactly the same solution
> as installing (32-bit) lubuntu with the exception, of course, of the fact
> that it is 64-bit?
>
> Best,
> T
>
> --- On Sun, 10/10/10, Julien Lavergne  wrote:
>
> > From: Julien Lavergne 
> > Subject: [Lxde-list] Lubuntu 10.10 released
> > To: "lubuntu-desktop" , "lxde-list"
> 
> > Date: Sunday, October 10, 2010, 12:14 PM
> > Lubuntu 10.10 is now available :
> >
> >  * Torrent : http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-10.10.iso.torrent
> >  * Direct download : http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-10.10.iso
> >  * Md5: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/md5sum.txt
> >
> > == What is Lubuntu ? ==
> >
> > Lubuntu is an Ubuntu derivated using the LXDE desktop. It's
> > designed to
> > be a lightweight and easy-to-use desktop environment.
> >
> > Lubuntu is actually not part of the Ubuntu family, and not
> > build with
> > the current Ubuntu infrastructure. This release is
> > considered as a «
> > stable beta », a result that could be a final and stable
> > release if we
> > was included in the Ubuntu family.
> >
> > == Features ==
> >
> >  * Based on the lightweight LXDE desktop environment.
> >  * Pcmanfm 0.9.7, a fast and lightweight files manager
> > using gio/gvfs.
> >  * Lxdm, a lightweight GTK display manager.
> >  * Chromium, the open-source version of Google Chrome.
> >  * ... and, of course, based on Ubuntu 10.10
> >
> > See the complete list of applications on
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications
> >
> >
> > == Improvements since Lubuntu 10.04 ==
> >
> > === Applications by default ===
> > Programs installed by default have been updated
> >  * Added :
> > Update-notifier, to get notification for available
> > updates.
> > Xpad, to create quick notes (similar to Tomboy).
> > Ace-of-penguins, to provide some games
> >
> >  * Removed
> > Parcellite, which is not maintained upstream, is less
> > useful since most
> > of copy/paste bugs was gone with pcmanfm 0.9.X
> > Pyneighborhood was replaced by gvfs support of pcmanfm.
> >
> >  * Changes
> > LXtask replace Xfce4-taskmanager for tasks monitoring.
> > Evince is now used for reading PDF, ePDFview have some
> > serious memory
> > leaks.
> >
> > === New theme ===
> > A new and fresh theme, made by Rafael Laguna, is
> > available.
> >
> > === Installer slideshow ===
> > New slideshow is available during the installation, to
> > describe Lubuntu
> > and its features.
> >
> > === Indicators supports ===
> > Lxpanel now support Ubuntu indicators applets. This feature
> > is turn off
> > by default, but you can activate it by adding the
> > "Indicators applet”.
> >
> > === New extras packages ===
> >  * A new meta-package (lubuntu-core) is available to
> > install only core
> > packages of Lubuntu.
> >  * A new meta-package (lubuntu-restricted-extras) is
> > available to
> > install restricted packages for Lubuntu (such as flash,
> > java and extra
> > codecs for chromium)
> >
> > === LXDE updates ===
> >  * LXDE is now HAL-free. Lubuntu still depends on HAL for
> > CD-burner, but
> > by removing it, you can obtain a HAL-free system.
> >  * New lxappareance from LXDE git (without Openbox
> > integration)
> >
> > And the usual updates of LXDE and Ubuntu packages included
> > in Lubuntu.
> >
> > == Releases notes and known issues ==
> > The release notes, with a list of known problems are
> > available on
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseNotes/MaverickMeerkat
> >
> >
> > == Specific Lubuntu changes ==
> >
> > Lubuntu still contains modifications not available in the
> > official
> > repository, you can see them in the Lubuntu PPA [1] :
> >  * Autologin support in ubiquity (LP: #546445)
> >  * Support Install only mode in ubiquity
> >  * Support for lubuntu-restricted package in ubiquity
> >
> > == Reporting bugs ==
> > You can find information on how to report bug on this wiki
> > page :
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReportingBugs
> >
> > == Thanks ==
> >
> > I would like to thanks all people involved in the
> > development of Lubuntu
> > during this past 6 months :
> >
> > Thanks to the LXDE team for providing this fast and nice
> > desktop
> > environment.
> >
> > Thanks to Rafael for his wonderful work on this new
> > artwork.
> >
> > Thanks to Mario for his

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 10.10 released

[Mikhail Maksimov]

I confirm, md5 of http://phillw.net/lubuntu-10.10.iso is correct.

Regards!
Mikhail

On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Phill Whiteside  wrote:

> There is now a secondary server area at
> http://phillw.net/lubuntu-10.10.iso as Julien said, please use the
> torrents as I do not want to fall out with my temporary web hoster.
>
> If someone could down load it and check the iso as per
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/CheckCD and make sure
> the md5 is okay, I'll add it as a secondary server to the wiki area.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Phill.
>
> On 10 October 2010 18:53, Yorvyk  wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 10 Oct 2010 18:14:45 +0200
>> Julien Lavergne  wrote:
>>
>> > Lubuntu 10.10 is now available :
>> >
>> > == Thanks ==
>> >
>> > I would like to thanks all people involved in the development of Lubuntu
>> > during this past 6 months :
>> >
>> > Thanks to the LXDE team for providing this fast and nice desktop
>> > environment.
>> >
>> > Thanks to Rafael for his wonderful work on this new artwork.
>> >
>> > Thanks to Mario for his wonderful work on the website, the wiki and all
>> > the advertising.
>> >
>> > Thanks to all testers which help in the testing process, making Lubuntu
>> > better.
>> >
>> > Thanks to Phillw and Zach, our masters of the wiki and the
>> > documentation.
>> >
>> > Thanks to all people which help to provide support and documentation to
>> > new Lubuntu users.
>> >
>> > It was a pleasure to work with you.
>> >
>> I’d like to echo Julien, in thanking everybody involved in getting Lubuntu
>> this far and hope it can continue to get better and better :D
>>
>>
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Binding actions to desktop power button

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Hi, list.

When polishing Lubuntu installtion on a laptop, I've changed lubuntu-rc.xml
to link lubuntu-logout invocation to the power button keypress (). However, on an old yet ACPI-capable desktop system
this does not work, if I get it right, desktop's power button is not a
"button" rc.xml binds to but instead generates a different type of event
processed elsewhere.

Is there an easy way  to bind to ACPI "power button" event instead of
keyboard "power button" event?

Sincerely,
Mikhail Maksimov
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] marketing

[Mikhail Maksimov]

You got my idea, I was talking about buying a distro's CD with a
nice (thanks Rafael!) image printed on it, wrapped into a nice (thanks
Rafael!) envelope, just for collection. However, not sure if items shipped
by that site have all the artwork or just Lubuntu logo.

On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 2:12 AM, Rafael Laguna wrote:

>  Well, there's a site that sells everything, about Linux. And our dear
> Lubuntu is sold tthere for £3.99 (UK pounds). They just burn the ISO and put
> inti a paper case with the logo, distro name and other few characteristics.
> Have a 
> look
> .
>
> Maybe I don't really understand what you mean, but anyway I think we cannot
> sell it, and we must no do it, we're under GPL license. That's why we serve
> it free (both the ISO and the wallet).
>
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>
>  
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] marketing

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Will it be possible to buy a hard copy of the final ISO wrapped into a hard
copy of this wallet image?

On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Rafael Laguna wrote:

>  Ok, thank you. If no one has more to say, we have wallet! [image: :D]
>
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>
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Finding Lubuntu-related information

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Hi, list.

I always have trouble finding some vital information regarding Lubuntu.
Maybe it's just me, but it takes definitely more than a couple of
mouseclicks to find out, e.g., the status of latest testing iso, its
version, release date, download location, etc. Also, I've seen a link to IRC
logs somewhere, but cannot find it again, and googling for "lubuntu irc log"
does not show the required item on the first page, you really have to know
that there's one site for publishing logs for all ubuntu-related channels,
and search for _ubuntu_ irc logs, then navigate to the selected date and
channel manually...

IMHO such "small navigation problems" may cause newcomers to not actively
join the team. It may even happen that a would-be tester not do any actual
good just because he/she does not find the latest beta! I've just updated
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing with minimal info regarding beta2,
however I believe it can be further elaborated. And probably beta1-related
part should be removed. Huh, and probably the news section of
lubuntu.netcan also be updated with beta2 info.

I'm not really good at writing human-readable texts, and I just don't have
any more time at the moment. Is anyone willing to add more updates to
lubuntu sites?

Regards!
Mikhail

PS Are the command to md5sum the CD and the checksum on h
ttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing
correct
for beta2? Please double-check.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Online updates not installed during installation

[Mikhail Maksimov]

I confirm it, 46 packages to update right after running an install with
"install updates" ticked :(

Regards!
Mikhail

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Yorvyk  wrote:

> I ticked the install online updates box but when I ran Update Manager
> straight after installation there were 43 updates to be installed.  These
> are the same packages that were required by an earlier installation were I
> didn’t tick the box.  The fluendo package has been installed, as I ticked
> that box as well.  This is the first time I’ve tried this as the other
> machine was initially installed off-line.  Anybody else seeing this?
>
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[Lubuntu-desktop] 10.10 beta installer memory requirements

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Hi, all.

I was testing the 10.10 betas  on a low-spec machine and found that, for
both versions, with 256 Mb RAM the Live CD session starts normally, but
launching the installer kills the system in a creative way: everything
disappears except the wallpaper and mouse pointer (I mean, menu, installer
icon, lxtask that I started earlier), however Ctrl+Alt+F(n) works and from a
text console "ps ax | grep ubiq" shows nothing, the installer process is
gone.

lxtask says I have 243 MB of RAM installed, top says I've got 249844k total
memory. AFAIK swap partitions get used silently by Live CD if present, so I
cleared the partition table before running tests.

Adding another 128 Mb stick to the box solves the problem, so I believe it
really is the RAM amount that matters. Unfortunately all my 32  and 64 Mb
sticks fail so I cannot be any more precise.

Thus the current beta does not seem to be installable with "not less than
160 Mb" as stated in the wiki. I'm wondering if it's permanent, or just the
"beta effect" which may get fixed when and if the "install" menu item works,
not just the "try" one.

If anyone can confirm or correct my findings it is good to have it all
documented in the wiki.

Sincerely,
Mikhail Maksimov
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] kidnapping

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Hi, list.

Personally, I always think a well-structured and comprehensive text document
is ways better than a bright set of icons linked somewhere. IMHO the front
page of Lubuntu wiki looks good enough and we should focus on the text
content of the documentation, not with bells and whistles, uhm, icons.

Just my two cents.

Regards!
Mikhail

PS The icons of Uruguay Team page do consume the valuable _height_ of my
widescreen laptop, about twice as much as Lubuntu wiki navigation. Anyway,
1366x768 is not convenient for me :(

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Phillip Whiteside wrote:

> Hi team,
>
> the more I learn about documentation the more I realise how much I do not
> know, Take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UruguayTeam Now, that is one
> seriously good looking  front page. I'm wondering if our art team could
> design some icons / have an idea in their head for how the front page should
> look (It's done by inkscape, evidently). I can ask Zach team to help me with
> the coding.
>
> What do you all think?
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] NetworkManager bug in Lubuntu?

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Hi, Phill.

I've updated the wiki. Feel free to update/correct it.

Regards!
Mikhail

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:15 AM, Phillip Whiteside  wrote:

> Hi Mikhail,
>
> Is the proposed change
>
> *gksudo leafpad /etc/network/interfaces*
> and edit it from
> *auto eth0*
> *iface eth0 inet dhcp*
> to
> *auto lo*
> *iface lo inet loopback*
>
> Save, quit & reboot?
> Alternatively, if you have a different working solution, would you email it
> me so I can update the wiki page.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Phill.
>
> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Mikhail Maksimov wrote:
>
>> Yorvik,
>>
>> that 'solution' does not fix the default behavior of NM to not manage
>> interfaces defined in /etc/network/interfaces. I think it may enable the
>> whole NM management system when and if it is somehow turned off (screwed
>> up?) but this is not the original case.
>>
>> Regards!
>> Mikhail
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Yorvyk wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 3 Aug 2010 14:24:23 +0400
>>> Mikhail Maksimov  wrote:
>>>
>>> > Update: both Ubuntu and Lubuntu installed from their respective 10.04
>>> CDs do
>>> > not have any eth0-related entries in /etc/network/interfaces. Lubuntu
>>> > installed from 10.04 mini iso does have the usual:
>>> > auto eth0
>>> > iface eth0 inet dhcp
>>> >
>>> > which causes NetworkManager to not manage eth0 by default. Looks like
>>> we
>>> > need to update the instructions...
>>> >
>>> > Regards!
>>> > Mikhail
>>> >
>>> This 'solution' just popped up on my RSS feed
>>> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-network-manager-disabled-problem-in-ubuntu-10-04-lucid.html
>>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] NetworkManager bug in Lubuntu?

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Yorvik,

that 'solution' does not fix the default behavior of NM to not manage
interfaces defined in /etc/network/interfaces. I think it may enable the
whole NM management system when and if it is somehow turned off (screwed
up?) but this is not the original case.

Regards!
Mikhail


On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Yorvyk wrote:

> On Tue, 3 Aug 2010 14:24:23 +0400
> Mikhail Maksimov  wrote:
>
> > Update: both Ubuntu and Lubuntu installed from their respective 10.04 CDs
> do
> > not have any eth0-related entries in /etc/network/interfaces. Lubuntu
> > installed from 10.04 mini iso does have the usual:
> > auto eth0
> > iface eth0 inet dhcp
> >
> > which causes NetworkManager to not manage eth0 by default. Looks like we
> > need to update the instructions...
> >
> > Regards!
> > Mikhail
> >
> This 'solution' just popped up on my RSS feed
> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-network-manager-disabled-problem-in-ubuntu-10-04-lucid.html
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] NetworkManager bug in Lubuntu?

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Update: both Ubuntu and Lubuntu installed from their respective 10.04 CDs do
not have any eth0-related entries in /etc/network/interfaces. Lubuntu
installed from 10.04 mini iso does have the usual:
auto eth0
iface eth0 inet dhcp

which causes NetworkManager to not manage eth0 by default. Looks like we
need to update the instructions...

Regards!
Mikhail

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 12:03 AM, Mikhail Maksimov 
wrote:
> Phill, the wired connection works properly on all of my systems, both
> before and after lubuntu-desktop installation. It just does not become
> managed by NetworkManager.
>
> Regards!
> Mikhail
>
> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Phillip Whiteside 
wrote:
>> Hi,
>> that certainly leaves me a bit puzzled, as the mini-iso requires a wired
>> connection for it to work !!
>> I'll set up a new partition and try it again (I'm the author of
instructions
>> you're referring to). You are the first person to say that you are having
a
>> problem when using them.
>> Regards,
>> Phill.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:25 AM, Mikhail Maksimov 
wrote:
>>>
>>> Yorvyk,
>>>
>>> for me the problem reproduces on all three Lubuntu installations I
>>> have at hand: an old P4-based desktop system and two notebooks,
>>> ThinkPad X61 and Lenovo G450.
>>>
>>> As Julien noticed, this is a known misbehavior of NetworkManager,
>>> documented on the Debian wiki (http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager,
>>> under "Wired Networks are Unmanaged"). There's also a bug in Debian
>>> tracker, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530024.
>>>
>>> Were those many installs of yours done via Lubuntu CD, or via minimal
>>> installation
>>> (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall)?
>>> If the problem occurs only when doing minimal install, we have to
>>> update the instructions.
>>>
>>> Regards!
>>> Mikhail
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Yorvyk 
>>> wrote:
>>> > On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 19:31:05 +0400
>>> > Mikhail Maksimov  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hi, list.
>>> >>
>>> >> Lubuntu Lucid installed from mini.iso seems to be affected by a bug
in
>>> >> NetworkManager
>>> >> (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530024):
>>> >> the wired network interface is not managed by NetworkManager by
>>> >> default. Does anyone know if this also happens when installing from
>>> >> Lubuntu CD?
>>> >>
>>> > Never seen a problem with the many installs I’ve done using Lubuntu
>>> > Lucid.
>>> >
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>>> >
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] NetworkManager bug in Lubuntu?

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Phill, the wired connection works properly on all of my systems, both
before and after lubuntu-desktop installation. It just does not become
managed by NetworkManager.

Regards!
Mikhail

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Phillip Whiteside  wrote:
> Hi,
> that certainly leaves me a bit puzzled, as the mini-iso requires a wired
> connection for it to work !!
> I'll set up a new partition and try it again (I'm the author of instructions
> you're referring to). You are the first person to say that you are having a
> problem when using them.
> Regards,
> Phill.
>
> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:25 AM, Mikhail Maksimov  wrote:
>>
>> Yorvyk,
>>
>> for me the problem reproduces on all three Lubuntu installations I
>> have at hand: an old P4-based desktop system and two notebooks,
>> ThinkPad X61 and Lenovo G450.
>>
>> As Julien noticed, this is a known misbehavior of NetworkManager,
>> documented on the Debian wiki (http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager,
>> under "Wired Networks are Unmanaged"). There's also a bug in Debian
>> tracker, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530024.
>>
>> Were those many installs of yours done via Lubuntu CD, or via minimal
>> installation
>> (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall)?
>> If the problem occurs only when doing minimal install, we have to
>> update the instructions.
>>
>> Regards!
>> Mikhail
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Yorvyk 
>> wrote:
>> > On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 19:31:05 +0400
>> > Mikhail Maksimov  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi, list.
>> >>
>> >> Lubuntu Lucid installed from mini.iso seems to be affected by a bug in
>> >> NetworkManager
>> >> (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530024):
>> >> the wired network interface is not managed by NetworkManager by
>> >> default. Does anyone know if this also happens when installing from
>> >> Lubuntu CD?
>> >>
>> > Never seen a problem with the many installs I’ve done using Lubuntu
>> > Lucid.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Steve Cook (Yorvyk)
>> >
>> > http://lubuntu.net
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] NetworkManager bug in Lubuntu?

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Yorvyk,

for me the problem reproduces on all three Lubuntu installations I
have at hand: an old P4-based desktop system and two notebooks,
ThinkPad X61 and Lenovo G450.

As Julien noticed, this is a known misbehavior of NetworkManager,
documented on the Debian wiki (http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager,
under "Wired Networks are Unmanaged"). There's also a bug in Debian
tracker, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530024.

Were those many installs of yours done via Lubuntu CD, or via minimal
installation (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall)?
If the problem occurs only when doing minimal install, we have to
update the instructions.

Regards!
Mikhail

On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Yorvyk  wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 19:31:05 +0400
> Mikhail Maksimov  wrote:
>
>> Hi, list.
>>
>> Lubuntu Lucid installed from mini.iso seems to be affected by a bug in
>> NetworkManager (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530024):
>> the wired network interface is not managed by NetworkManager by
>> default. Does anyone know if this also happens when installing from
>> Lubuntu CD?
>>
> Never seen a problem with the many installs I’ve done using Lubuntu Lucid.
>
> --
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>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] How can I lock screen in Lubuntu?

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Thanks, 'xscreensaver-command -lock' works just fine for deliberately
locking the screen. Is there an easy way to get the screen locked in
suspend-resume sequence?

Regards!
Mikhail

On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Duy Hùng Trần  wrote:
> Hi!
> You can create a new blank file on your desktop, open it with leafpad and
> insert these lines:
>
> [Desktop Entry]
> Encoding=UTF-8
> Name=Lock Screen
> Comment=Locks your screen
> Icon=system-lock-screen
> Exec=xscreensaver-command -lock
> Terminal=false
> Type=Application
>
> When you want to lock your screen you can click on this file. And you can go
> to Preferences, open Screensaver then you can set your screensaver settings
> include screen locking.
>
> Hope this could help you :).
>
> On 1 August 2010 21:40, Mikhail Maksimov  wrote:
>>
>> Hi, list.
>>
>> When playing with Lubuntu (Lucid, installed from 10.04 mini.iso, if
>> that matters) I've noticed that it is... er... less "paranoid" than
>> mainstream Ubuntu. I mean, there's no (obvious) way to lock the
>> desktop, and when resuming from suspend, the system  does not ask for
>> password. Am I just missing some well-hidden checkbox? Or maybe
>> lubuntu is so lightweight that one needs an extra package or two for
>> screen-locking to work? Anyway, how can I get desktop locking in
>> Lubuntu?
>>
>> Regards!
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[Lubuntu-desktop] NetworkManager bug in Lubuntu?

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Hi, list.

Lubuntu Lucid installed from mini.iso seems to be affected by a bug in
NetworkManager (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530024):
the wired network interface is not managed by NetworkManager by
default. Does anyone know if this also happens when installing from
Lubuntu CD?

Regards!
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[Lubuntu-desktop] How can I lock screen in Lubuntu?

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Hi, list.

When playing with Lubuntu (Lucid, installed from 10.04 mini.iso, if
that matters) I've noticed that it is... er... less "paranoid" than
mainstream Ubuntu. I mean, there's no (obvious) way to lock the
desktop, and when resuming from suspend, the system  does not ask for
password. Am I just missing some well-hidden checkbox? Or maybe
lubuntu is so lightweight that one needs an extra package or two for
screen-locking to work? Anyway, how can I get desktop locking in
Lubuntu?

Regards!
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Logs and ubot

[Mikhail Maksimov]

+1 for channel logging. It does makes sense to save problems&solutions
automatically.

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 3:04 AM, Phillip Whiteside  wrote:
> Hi gang,
> Channel logging:
> As the ubot has been behaving and I hope will be an aide on the channel, I
> guess now is a good time to ask the team if they think having the #lubuntu
> channel logged similarly to, say, #ubuntu-beginners  is something I should
> enquire about? This would allow people to search the logs for words / people
> / questions etc (google search). As Canonical runs the log-bot, it would
> depend on them giving the okay to it.
> I do need to know whether to proceed with that request.
> News on the bot:
> I'm currently discussing the best way to add lubuntu specific things to the
> ubots (case in hand, lxterminal), once I get to learn the basics and a
> format of either general factoid or channel specific factoid I'll get on
> with things :-)
> Regards,
> Phill.
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu and openjava-jre

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Hi, Daniel.

I've experienced that dreadful "no sound and no errors" issue with at
least two different lubuntu installations (an old P4-based system and
a powerful x-series Thinkpad). Try starting alsamixer and un-muting
some channels using "M" key.

You might want to install graphical mixer control, but the commandline
alsamixer is just fine if all you want is un-mute the soundcard.

Regards,
Mikhail

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Daniel Hallett  wrote:
> Is there going to be flash in chrome on lubuntu? If not how do I get 
> openjava-jdk-jre working properly on lubuntu? How do I get the sound on 
> lubuntu working properly?
> I'm using lubuntu 10.04 on zareason terra a20 with 2 gigs ram. 160 gig HDD. 
> Is there a better player that I can use to sync my iPod touch 2G? I used to 
> use amerok on kubuntu before I started to use lubuntu. Keep chromium for the 
> web browser for lubuntu. And better .deb installation support and o can't 
> even force install opera browser.
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] wiki page

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Hi Phillip, hi list

IMHO, "Just get on with it" ;-)

Regards!
Mikhail

On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 5:13 AM, Phillip Whiteside  wrote:
> Hi Julien,
> I apologise for the multiple messages coming from my editing the wiki area.
> I've got a couple of wiki people helping me with links etc. As they are not
> trivial edits, I feel uneasy to use that tag.
> Hi Gang,
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp
> I'd like to do a make-over of that area. What is proposed is:
> 'Documentation and Help' becomes 'Help'
> 'https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseManagementDiscussion' is removed, as
> it is out of date.
> 'https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Applications and other
> Features' is moved to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved
> i also propose that details of 10.10 is moved
> to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers with the details
> of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Test Lubuntu being moved over there,
> leaving just a 'stub'.
> With the help of the wiki team, I've done some editing for things like the
> inclusion of code to be typed into a terminal session.
> Just so as everyone knows, I'm part
> of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Wiki/SoD2010 so, our
> own wiki area is a good one for me to get help on.
> As it is the aim of lubuntu to be adopted by Canonical, as per my previous
> posting I'd like to ensure we comply with their documentation standards.
> I'd appreciate any input as to what you'd like to see on there along with
> proof reading to ensure any spelling mistakes etc. are corrected. All those
> on the mailing list who have their launchpad accouts can log in and edit the
> pages.
> As always, your input is needed.
> Well, that's my and the wiki teams ideas, please shout up anything that you
> think are wrong, I will take deafening silence to mean "Just get on with it"
> :-)
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Error on http://lubuntu.net

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Hi, all.

I get the following messages when trying to save a comment in lubuntu.net blog:

Fatal error: Call to undefined function drupal_submit_form() in
/var/www/web0/html/lubuntu/sites/all/modules/akismet/akismet.module on
line 707

Is it hard to fix? There are other comments on the page, so maybe it's
something broken by a recent update? Well, just a guess...

Regards!
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Browsers comparison on slow machine

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Amazing. Once again, what's the sequence? Install Lubuntu alpha2
preview2, sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo apt-get
install midori, then reboot, start & measure - is this correct?

On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Steve  wrote:
> While I wait for my old machine to reload Lubuntu. I tried on a 2.4Mhz P4
> with 1GB 133Mhz RAM and got the following for Midori
>
> 71MB used after boot with Xfce Taskmanager running
>
> 84MB used with Midori launched in 7 seconds
>
> 106MB with the three web pages loaded.
>
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Broken link on lubuntu.net

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Dear all,

I've found a broken link on lubuntu.net website. In the top area of
the start page, there is a section with "lubuntu is a faster, more
lightweight and [...] Please join us. Read more..." The "Read more..."
part is actually a link to http://lubuntu.net/about, which doesn't
exist. "About" link in the navigation area (top-right corner) leads to
http://lubuntu.net/node/1, which is apparently the right address. I
believe this is some kind of typo or misconfiguration and should be
corrected.

Sincerely,
Mikhail

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Browsers comparison on slow machine

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Steve,

I simply cannot deduce the difference.

Fully updated my installation at about 7 AM GMT 2010-02-11. Used only
the default repos set by installer. Yet again freshly booted system
running just taskmanager and Midori reports 108 Mb RAM used.

Midori's help->about reports: "Midori 0.2.2, GTK+ 2.19.1, WebKitGTK+ 1.1.17"

Why is it eating 30 Mb of RAM more than on your system?

BTW, the 75 Mb usage with three pages seem unbelievably low. I'm going
to retry the tests having only 128 Mb RAM left in the system.

Regards,
Mikhail

On 2/11/10, Steve  wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:59:11 -, Mikhail Maksimov 
> wrote:
>
> Hi, all.
>
> I've resurrected an ancient PC to try Lubuntu. Celeron 400 MHz, 256 Mb
> RAM and a 20 Gb PATA HDD. Here's my impression of running different
> browsers on the specified hardware.
>
> Tried this on my machine 266MHz PII, 128MB 66MHz ECC RAM, 6.4GB UDM2 HDD
> Only tested Midori so far, will try others tomorrow.
>
> Testing method:
> 1. Install Lubuntu from Lucid alpha2 preview2 iso.
> As above fully updated as of 10:20 UTC 2010/2/10
>
> 2. Install additional browsers (Chromium, Midori, Arora) from default
> Lucid repos.
> 3. For each of the four available browsers, measure startup time and
> memory usage on a freshly-booted machine (no executables cached), with
> homepage set to about:blank (no downloading/rendering on startup).
> 4. For each of the four available browsers, try to load three tabs:
> - open google.com, search for "Lubuntu";
> - open my gmail account, navigate to a 47-letters thread in
> lubuntu-desktop list ("default browser" discussion), hit "expand all"
> and wait for all to expand;
> - open http://www.rbc.ru, a news site in Russian with several Flash
> banners on the start page.
> 5. Examine memory usage afterwards.
>
> All memory usage numbers are listed as reported by Xfce4 Taskmanager
> with default settings (ie, with "Show memory used by cache as free"
> option active). These values are total numbers, including any memory
> used by system. A freshly-booted system with just taskmanager running
> reports 50..58 Mb RAM used.
>
> Startup times and memory usage after loading (homepage is about:blank,
> if applicable):
> Firefox: 13 seconds, 85 Mb.
> Chromium: 8..10 s, 81 Mb.
> Arora: 12 s, 78 Mb.
> Midori: 17 s, 108 Mb.
>
> Midori: 23 s, 75MB
>
>
> Common problems noticed:
> 1. Standard Gmail interface is slow. After initializing, it occupies
> about half CPU capacity constantly. Occasionally, several  seconds'
> delays happen just as I type this text.
> 2. Flash literally kills everything.  Several gtk-gnash processes take
> up all CPU power the machine has. Several times, I had to wait for
> more than 10 minutes (!) until taskmanager window gets redrawn and I'm
> able to see memory usage.
>
> Arora problem: never finished expanding the 47 messages thread. "Still
> Working" message remains shown for more than 10 minutes, and there are
> about 15 messages not expanded.
>
> Firefox problem: while expanding 47 messages, gmail shows
> "unresponsive script" warning at least once. Apparently, the script is
> suspended until the user makes a choice, so the loading process needs
> close user attention.
>
> Midori: initially, gmail did not identify it as a fully compatible
> browser and loaded a reduced "compatible" interface. However, after
> changing the reported browser type to Firefox in preferences, no
> problems encountered with the full version of gmail interface.
>
> Same problem and solution
>
> Memory usage with three tabs loaded:
> Firefox: 150..160 Mb.
> Arora: 175..185 Mb.
> Midori: 175..185 Mb.
> Chromium: 135..145 Mb.
>
> Midori: 74MB
>
> Conclusion: on low-grade hardware, flash and script-rich pages are
> painfully slow regardless of the browser. On less than 192 Mb RAM, you
> are likely to experience swapping with several pages opened in any
> browser.
>
> Given the available options, my vote is for Chromium *and* disabling
> flash by default. Best is to start playing flash only after the user
> clicks on it, however I'm not sure if it's possible without hacking
> the browser code.
>
> Regards,
> Mikhail
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Browsers comparison on slow machine

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Hi, all.

I've resurrected an ancient PC to try Lubuntu. Celeron 400 MHz, 256 Mb
RAM and a 20 Gb PATA HDD. Here's my impression of running different
browsers on the specified hardware.

Testing method:
1. Install Lubuntu from Lucid alpha2 preview2 iso.
2. Install additional browsers (Chromium, Midori, Arora) from default
Lucid repos.
3. For each of the four available browsers, measure startup time and
memory usage on a freshly-booted machine (no executables cached), with
homepage set to about:blank (no downloading/rendering on startup).
4. For each of the four available browsers, try to load three tabs:
- open google.com, search for "Lubuntu";
- open my gmail account, navigate to a 47-letters thread in
lubuntu-desktop list ("default browser" discussion), hit "expand all"
and wait for all to expand;
- open http://www.rbc.ru, a news site in Russian with several Flash
banners on the start page.
5. Examine memory usage afterwards.

All memory usage numbers are listed as reported by Xfce4 Taskmanager
with default settings (ie, with "Show memory used by cache as free"
option active). These values are total numbers, including any memory
used by system. A freshly-booted system with just taskmanager running
reports 50..58 Mb RAM used.

Startup times and memory usage after loading (homepage is about:blank,
if applicable):
Firefox: 13 seconds, 85 Mb.
Chromium: 8..10 s, 81 Mb.
Arora: 12 s, 78 Mb.
Midori: 17 s, 108 Mb.

Common problems noticed:
1. Standard Gmail interface is slow. After initializing, it occupies
about half CPU capacity constantly. Occasionally, several  seconds'
delays happen just as I type this text.
2. Flash literally kills everything.  Several gtk-gnash processes take
up all CPU power the machine has. Several times, I had to wait for
more than 10 minutes (!) until taskmanager window gets redrawn and I'm
able to see memory usage.

Arora problem: never finished expanding the 47 messages thread. "Still
Working" message remains shown for more than 10 minutes, and there are
about 15 messages not expanded.

Firefox problem: while expanding 47 messages, gmail shows
"unresponsive script" warning at least once. Apparently, the script is
suspended until the user makes a choice, so the loading process needs
close user attention.

Midori: initially, gmail did not identify it as a fully compatible
browser and loaded a reduced "compatible" interface. However, after
changing the reported browser type to Firefox in preferences, no
problems encountered with the full version of gmail interface.

Memory usage with three tabs loaded:
Firefox: 150..160 Mb.
Arora: 175..185 Mb.
Midori: 175..185 Mb.
Chromium: 135..145 Mb.

Conclusion: on low-grade hardware, flash and script-rich pages are
painfully slow regardless of the browser. On less than 192 Mb RAM, you
are likely to experience swapping with several pages opened in any
browser.

Given the available options, my vote is for Chromium *and* disabling
flash by default. Best is to start playing flash only after the user
clicks on it, however I'm not sure if it's possible without hacking
the browser code.

Regards,
Mikhail

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Tested on MSI Wind U100

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Hello.

Just one thing I wanted to note: server GUI is a bad idea. If you want
server, you install server, if you want a workstation on low-grade hardware,
you install Lubuntu. If you have low-grade hardware to use as a server, you
definitely shouldn't be wasting the precious (and, oh, so limited!) RAM and
CPU resources on GUI instead of serving something.

If someone wants to have lubuntu desktop on server, there's always an option
of installing server then adding any desktop environment, or maybe
installing Lubuntu then switching to the server kernel. But I think all the
possible "mix" options should not be part of Lubuntu installer, nor should
there be a separate server+LXDE remix of Lubuntu (Ubuntu?)

Regards!
Mikhail

PS If you don't like vi, you can use nano, it's part of the server install
and it is WYSIWIG.

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Josef A. Beroeatwarin <
rajatanpacel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hai everybody
>
> Hai I tested Lubuntu on my MSI wind U100, I am not a pro like you guys but
> I like to have my hands on it because I really believe lubuntu
> will be much better the Xubuntu. And of course I WANT to have a very
> lightweight linux on my netbook and PC.
>
> I am running on Ubuntu 9.10 remix  installed on my MSI Wind U100, after I
> while I started with Apt to install LXDE
> After running on LXDE I was satisfied and very optimistic that  it will be
> one  that  I am looking for.( after a lot of  switching for linux to linux)
>
> Here are the problems on the MSI wind U100:
>
> * Filemanager Pcman  0.5.1 on the left windows are drives displayed twice.
> if you click one of the with the same name you will get an error-message
> "Directory doesnt exist"
> * Wicd it a very nice looking piece but to bad, to while connection the the
> wirelles network (WEP) ofcourse it was validated but I got an error message
> "Connection failed:Unable get IP Adress" that was during the status
> "Obtaining IP address.
> * I have no sound I realize I have no mixer something like that so I dont
> know if its muting or not.
> * FN keys. FN+F4 and FN+F5 is working very well,its for dimming the
> back-light and  FN+F12 sleep mode is working but after wakeup its starting
> to sleep again and again after wakeup
> *My bluetooth is witched on with FN+F11 but no blue-tooth detected (sorry I
> forgot to listed with lsusb before installing ubuntu remix again)
> * Harddisk external and flashdisk is working very well.
>
> My Questions,request,Ideas,what I hope very soon or whatever it is.
>
> 1. The Lubuntu in alpha stage on iso,when. Ofcourse everybody is busy.
> 2. Lubuntu on flash disk image because there is alot of netbooks without CD
> or DVD.
> 3. Sometimes I got netbook that has an SDcard as HDA is it compatible with
> it ?
> 4. I think Lubuntu will be great for creating server from old PC's with GUI
> interface instead having console at from your nose and doing that Vi
> thing.Maybe is there somebody can make a server edition. While installing
> you can choose what of kind of server do you want to install.
> 5. And nice front-end for backup that can make image of the drives.
> 6. Do you guys think that thunderbird and firefox take of computer sources
> especially nower days there is allot of websites based on flash  like
>  farmville it make even windows xp slow.
> 7. What is the other syntax like dmesg and lsusb that I can use to get info
> out of my toys and to send to you guys.
> 8. Last thing that I want to say is.. I am sorry for starting asking allot
> of questions even the alpha  is not out yet...
>
> Well guys thats it... I hope its enough for the input.
>
>
>
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