Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Boot problem on Lubuntu 10.04

[C David Rigby]

On Thursday 19,August,2010 04:04 AM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset wrote:
> Hi:
> 
> Today when i turned on my pc, this screen
> appeared http://picasaweb.google.com/jpxsat/PublicStuff#5506840995428130354
> 
> I've done nothing weird lately (or ever). When i type 'help', 40
> commands appear, but don't know what to use...
> 
> Hope somebody can help me!
> 
> 
> Ps: i tried to report this
> on https://bugs.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop but don't know where to
> do it :(
> 
> 
> --
> jpxsat
> Ubuntu user #29.157
> 
> 

Salut Jena-Pierre,

The error messages seem to indicate that your root partition is not
mounting properly. I would suspect hardware failure, but your system
loaded the kernel if it got this far. Do you have only one hard disk in
your system?

After you see this error message, do you get a command prompt?

In either case, my first instinct would be to boot off of a live CD (the
Lubuntu live CD will do fine) and see if you can mount the hard disk
partitions, and/or at least fun the command fsck on the hard disk
partitions.

See this article for more information on fsck:

http://linux.about.com/od/commands/l/blcmdl8_fsck_.htm

BTW, this looks like an error on your computer, not a bug. So, no need
to file a bug report at this time.

Regards
David

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Dell Mini-9 issues

[C David Rigby]

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On Monday 05,July,2010 09:04 PM, Bob Trevithick wrote:
> Hi Phill,
> 
> Yes, the md5sum of the Maverick alpha-2 CD I burned checks out
> correctly using that approach.  Sorry, need more coffee or something.
> :)
> 
> Bob
> 

I've not followed this thread in detail, so I don't recall everything
you've tried. Sorry if I am repeating something.

I've not yet had a chance to install Maverick alpha2, but it boots to
the desktop just fine on my test system (PIII-866, 256MB RAM). The md5
checksum is correct, and self-checking the CD indicates there is an
error in 1 file. But it has done that through all versions of Lubuntu,
so I don't worry about it.

Bob, have you tried the CDs you've created on another system besides the
Dell Mini-9. I. e., is it possible the problem is with the optical drive
of the Mini-9?

Regards
David
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] questions about lubuntu-10.04.iso

[C David Rigby]

On Monday 24,May,2010 08:25 PM, Andrew Woodhead wrote:
I'm kinda up for a "Run the whole OS in RAM". like puppy has if its 
THAT small. Who's with me. There is a guide on this which I intend to 
use in my next system / this laptop if I get bored.



To what guide are you referring? Load the OS into a ramdisk?

Cheers
David
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Leszek Lesner > wrote:


Am 24.05.2010 07:06, schrieb rya...@mail.com:


How much GB of disk space(including swap) does a full install of
lubuntu-10.04 use if installing from the lubuntu-10.04.iso CD?
2GB? 3GB?

Does lubuntu-10.04 include the HPLIP driver for HP printers? If
so, what version of HPLIP is it? HPLIP 3.10.5?

Thanks


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If you have more then 1 GB RAM you don't neccessarly need a SWAP
partition.
If you don't consider double the RAM size to use for SWAP.

Lubuntu uses about 1.5 GB of space right after installation. So
the minimum space you need is 2 GB I would say.
I recommened 4 to 5 GB to have it running good and be able to
install additional software + personal data.



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu compressed ISO file?

[C David Rigby]

On Tuesday 11,May,2010 07:16 PM, ryan14 wrote:

Currently lubuntu 10.04 is available as an ISO file from
http://lubuntu.net. I have a slow broadband connection so would it be
possible for you to offer a compressed version of the ISO in the .ZIP
file format? The ISO file is 521MB, so if you compressed it into a .ZIP
file, what will the new file size be? 500MB? Any decrease in file size
is good.
   

linuxcd.com has lubuntu 10.04 for US $1.75:

http://www.linuxcd.org/

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Czech official Lubuntu website - Drupal theme

[C David Rigby]

On Sunday 09,May,2010 10:52 AM, Mario Behling wrote:

Hi Martin,

good idea about the website. I saw that you are already active in the
Linux community, so this is great! It would be good if you could form
a team of a few people to share the tasks.

I am currently only shortly in front of the computer. Will send you
the design tomorrow and upload it to the wiki. The Drupal version is
version 6.

By the way, I have not received an email from you. Maybe it landed in
spam. I dont know.

All the best,

Mario


2010/5/9 Martin Malý:
   

Hello,

our Czech Ubuntu community wants to make a new czech official website
for lubuntu - www.lubuntu.cz . Please, can you give me the Drupal theme
from lubuntu.net? With which version od Drupal is it compatible? Have
you any another experience with building site about Lubuntu?

I've sended this e-mail to Mario Behling, but I haven't got a reply yet,
so I'm trying to use this mailing list.

Thank you a lot. Excuse my english, I hope that you've understood.

Have a nice day.
Martin Malý
martin.m...@xubuntu.cz
-
 



Hello Martin,

I just wanted to add that I've some experience working with Drupal. Feel 
free to write to me off-list if you have any questions about it.


Regards
David

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Installing Lubuntu to usb drives

[C David Rigby]

On Saturday 08,May,2010 06:24 PM, Goh Lip wrote:

On 05/08/2010 05:34 PM, C David Rigby wrote:

On Saturday 08,May,2010 05:27 PM, Goh Lip wrote:

On 05/08/2010 05:02 PM, C David Rigby wrote:

On Saturday 08,May,2010 04:53 PM, Goh Lip wrote:



I assumed that if I do a manual partitioning of the USB flash drive's
storage, I could simply skip allocating swap. The result would be that
there would be no fstab entry for swap. I'll try it and find out at some
point.

I agree with you that my laptop w/ 2 GB RAM is probably not going to
need swap with reasonable desktop usage under Lubuntu. My test system
back in Singapore w/ 256 MB RAM would probably need it once I have mail,
web browser, and a few other apps running.

Thanks Goh Lip. Cheers, David


Hi, David, just a thought, maybe this might help..
You might want to ensure that your S'pore test system have hard drive 
swap to a reasonable volumn, say at least 600 Mb. Then change your 
Lubuntu fstab to include that swap partition so that when running on 
that test system, it can use that.


As you mentioned, there is probably no need for the swap at your laptop.

Regards - Goh Lip

ps: S'pore still have computers less than 1 Gb ram?
Thought they'd all be in Batam by now.   :)
Buy you a Tiger beer when you're up north.

This computer is an old PIII-800 w/ honest-to-goodness Rambus RDRAM. Two 
128 MB RIMMs are installed. It's such a museum piece, I had to keep it & 
find something to do w/ it. {8->


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Installing Lubuntu to usb drives

[C David Rigby]

On Saturday 08,May,2010 05:50 PM, Phillip Whiteside wrote:

Hi,
 with regards to the degradation, if you are using persistance, then 
you will be re-writing to the usb (albeit not as frequently). My 
advice to people installing to usb is always to get a usb stick that 
is certified for Vista or Win 7 as 'Readyboost', these devices are 
both faster than 'unbranded' usb sticks & are designed specifically 
for memory swapping. (It's really odd to be recommending something 
that Microsoft do, but I happily accept that there is an accreditation 
scheme for usb memory sticks). These sticks are slightly more 
expensive than the 'unbranded' ones, but are worth it for those who 
value their data (as we all do).


Regards,
Phill.



On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 10:34 AM, C David Rigby 
mailto:c.david.ri...@gmail.com>> wrote:


On Saturday 08,May,2010 05:27 PM, Goh Lip wrote:

On 05/08/2010 05:02 PM, C David Rigby wrote:

On Saturday 08,May,2010 04:53 PM, Goh Lip wrote:



Hello Goh Lip,

I was planning on doing this at some stage (I just
installed Lubuntu to
my laptop in a separate partition and I am reading up on
update-grub
right now).

I've read that one should NOT allocated a swap space on a
USB flash
device due to the limited number of re-writes that flash
media can
support before it degrades. Do you concur with this? Would
an "Install
to USB" how-to be a useful addition to our wiki?


David, that was fast!
I am not a good source for swap and 'swappiness' but from what
I know, and others please correct me if I am wrong, the
following points hold

o when installing an OS to usb drive, the desktop hard drive
swap is enabled at the fstab of the usb OS as well. (I
verified this). In other words, when using the usb OS at the
desktop where it was installed, the swap is automatically
enabled due to the presence of the fstab entry, (unless of
course the uuid is changed)

o For many cases for new computers, the swap is usually zero
or close to zero, ie, no need for swap unless extremely high
stress applications is run (or more usually, before adobe
flash crashes your firefox :)  ). The 'newer' uses for swap is
for hibernation and sleep and this requires a slightly more
memory than your ram memory.

o Yes, rewrites will degrade flash and hard drive memory but I
think it will require 'petazillions' to do that now that most
home users will have no need to worry about that.

Having said that, what should you do? Actually, I don't know.  ;)
But I'll you what I did. With hard drive memory so much now, I
allocate a more than enough to my hard drive swap. 2.5 x ram.
But my flash? Zilch! And I don't lose any sleep over it.

Hope that helps, David.

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I assumed that if I do a manual partitioning of the USB flash
drive's storage, I could simply skip allocating swap. The result
would be that there would be no fstab entry for swap. I'll try it
and find out at some point.

I agree with you that my laptop w/ 2 GB RAM is probably not going
to need swap with reasonable desktop usage under Lubuntu. My test
system back in Singapore w/ 256 MB RAM would probably need it once
I have mail, web browser, and a few other apps running.

Thanks Goh Lip. Cheers, David


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And still another option is an actual, small USB hard disk. Prices are 
lower now for this. They tend to be pretty slow, in my experience.


Cheers
David
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Installing Lubuntu to usb drives

[C David Rigby]

On Saturday 08,May,2010 05:27 PM, Goh Lip wrote:

On 05/08/2010 05:02 PM, C David Rigby wrote:

On Saturday 08,May,2010 04:53 PM, Goh Lip wrote:




Hello Goh Lip,

I was planning on doing this at some stage (I just installed Lubuntu to
my laptop in a separate partition and I am reading up on update-grub
right now).

I've read that one should NOT allocated a swap space on a USB flash
device due to the limited number of re-writes that flash media can
support before it degrades. Do you concur with this? Would an "Install
to USB" how-to be a useful addition to our wiki?



David, that was fast!
I am not a good source for swap and 'swappiness' but from what I know, 
and others please correct me if I am wrong, the following points hold


o when installing an OS to usb drive, the desktop hard drive swap is 
enabled at the fstab of the usb OS as well. (I verified this). In 
other words, when using the usb OS at the desktop where it was 
installed, the swap is automatically enabled due to the presence of 
the fstab entry, (unless of course the uuid is changed)


o For many cases for new computers, the swap is usually zero or close 
to zero, ie, no need for swap unless extremely high stress 
applications is run (or more usually, before adobe flash crashes your 
firefox :)  ). The 'newer' uses for swap is for hibernation and sleep 
and this requires a slightly more memory than your ram memory.


o Yes, rewrites will degrade flash and hard drive memory but I think 
it will require 'petazillions' to do that now that most home users 
will have no need to worry about that.


Having said that, what should you do? Actually, I don't know.  ;)
But I'll you what I did. With hard drive memory so much now, I 
allocate a more than enough to my hard drive swap. 2.5 x ram.

But my flash? Zilch! And I don't lose any sleep over it.

Hope that helps, David.

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I assumed that if I do a manual partitioning of the USB flash drive's 
storage, I could simply skip allocating swap. The result would be that 
there would be no fstab entry for swap. I'll try it and find out at some 
point.


I agree with you that my laptop w/ 2 GB RAM is probably not going to 
need swap with reasonable desktop usage under Lubuntu. My test system 
back in Singapore w/ 256 MB RAM would probably need it once I have mail, 
web browser, and a few other apps running.


Thanks Goh Lip. Cheers, David

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Installing Lubuntu to usb drives

[C David Rigby]

On Saturday 08,May,2010 04:53 PM, Goh Lip wrote:
I've come across many instances (mainly Ubuntu) of people installing 
the OS to the usb and they are actually running the livecd OS. There 
are many guides (like penlinux?) and including unetbootin that will 
install the livecd at the usb drives.


There is nothing wrong with that, provided people understand it's the 
livecd that's running and there are ways to help manually installed 
appplications 'stick' like casper-rw and the adding of 'persistent' in 
the kernel line. And puppy linux creates a small partition at the hd 
to aid that.


However, there are obvious disadvantages; the more serious being newer 
kernels will not be able to be installed and several booting issues as 
well.


I would highly recommend that should you want Lubuntu be installed to 
a usb stick, *and it's perfect for that*, install it like a normal 
installation, just that the partition you install to is the usb 
partition.


One important thing to watch out is that at the stage where the 
installer ask where you want the grub to be installed, please specify 
the usb drive and never the mbr. Take particular care of the 
designation of that usb drive (sdb, sdc or sdd) before installation 
and specify that when asked where grub is to be installed. Note there 
may be a warning message that installing other to mbr 'is a BAD IDEA'. 
Nevertheless, proceed. (I understand that this message has been 
removed, but I cannot verify this). It is a 'BADDER IDEA' to install 
grub to mbr when /boot is not in the hard drive.


To use Lubuntu at the usb drive after installation, at most computers, 
the keys 'esc', F12', 'F8' will allow you to select the drive to boot 
up. Older computers may require you to go to bios to do that. Keep 
that in mind when you take your portable Lubuntu usb drive to other 
computers.


And at your own desktop computer, update-grub of the desktop OS while 
the Lubuntu usb drive is mounted will enable the desktop OS grub to 
include your Lubuntu usb drive in the boot menu.


Of course running Lubuntu from a SATA hard drive is faster as usb 
transfer speed is slower. But you may be surprised, as I was, how 
Lubuntu performs. Ubuntu, Kubuntu ,even the netbook remix, crawls due 
to the 'bulk' it must carry. Puppy linux, DSL linux do not have the 
'polish' of good fonts, codecs, graphics and just plain 'usability'.


I brought this up as too many people are installing livecd to the usb 
drives and I think it's good to set this right especially Lubuntu is 
just perfect for this.


Also, I will appreciate any comment, feedback or disagreement.

Regards - Goh Lip


Hello Goh Lip,

I was planning on doing this at some stage (I just installed Lubuntu to 
my laptop in a separate partition and I am reading up on update-grub 
right now).


I've read that one should NOT allocated a swap space on a USB flash 
device due to the limited number of re-writes that flash media can 
support before it degrades. Do you concur with this? Would an "Install 
to USB" how-to be a useful addition to our wiki?


Regards
David

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Impossible to change keyboard layout in Live-CD?

[C David Rigby]

On Sunday 02,May,2010 04:47 AM, KIAaze wrote:

Hi,

I'm currently installing Lubuntu on my laptop using  the final test
release.
Unfortunately, I forgot to select the correct keymap when booting into
the Live-CD environment and I found no other way than using setxkbmap to
change the keyboard layout.

I think there should at least be a way to change it in
preferences->"Keyboard and mouse" or "language support".

If I missed it somewhere, please let me know.
   
I assume you are referring to working inside the Live CD environment, 
not the installed system. Otherwise, this does not apply.


I stumbled across a way to do it while installing from the Live 
environment. If you start the installer and select the keymap there, it 
will apply to the Live environment as well. Then, you can just quit the 
installer to continue in the live environment.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Final testing

[C David Rigby]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 6:04 PM, C David Rigby wrote:

> Julien Lavergne wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just generated a final iso for testing, available on the usual
>> location :  http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-lucid-20100430.iso
>> (md5sum : http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/md5sum.txt)
>> It should fixed the problem of installed languages, and included some
>> fixed for pcmanfm/libfm.
>>
>> Please test it and report any blocker you have since the beta3. It's not
>> a beta4, because I want to replace it quickly with the final release ;-)
>>
>> I know I also said it last time, but this iso should be the last one if
>> no other problems are found.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Julien Lavergne
>>
> Wow, Julien, I just cannot keep up w/ you! {8->
>
> OK, I'll take it for a spin in the next 24-hours or so.
>
> Cheers
> David
>

Installation  went fine. If I encounter any significant problems, I'll
notify via the mailing list.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Final testing

[C David Rigby]

Julien Lavergne wrote:

Hi,

I just generated a final iso for testing, available on the usual
location :  http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-lucid-20100430.iso
(md5sum : http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/md5sum.txt)
It should fixed the problem of installed languages, and included some
fixed for pcmanfm/libfm.

Please test it and report any blocker you have since the beta3. It's not
a beta4, because I want to replace it quickly with the final release ;-)

I know I also said it last time, but this iso should be the last one if
no other problems are found.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne 
  

Wow, Julien, I just cannot keep up w/ you! {8->

OK, I'll take it for a spin in the next 24-hours or so.

Cheers
David

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Second installation on Goldrake (PIII-500/1GB RAM/4GB HDD/nVidia GeForce2/Ensoniq ES1371/Lite-On LNE100TX)

[C David Rigby]

Hello All,

I reconfigured the hardware a bit on the old PC Goldrake that I am using 
for testing. I had a succesful installation, though a change of audio 
card was needed to get sound working. Details are in the report:


https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam/InstallationReports/CDavidRigby_Goldrake_LubuntuLucidBeta3_LiveCDInstallation_02

Regards,
David

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Installation report on the wiki

[C David Rigby]

I have completed an installation of Lubuntu Lucid Beta 3 on the low-end 
PC I have here in Italy. The report is on the wiki at:


https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam/InstallationReports/CDavidRigby_Goldrake_LubuntuLucidBeta3_LiveCDInstallation_01

I will add more to this report as I work w/ LLB3 a bit more in the 
coming days.



I have set up a specific wiki page for Installation Reports:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam/InstallationReports

As well, there is a template to help create the reports:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam/InstallationReportTemplate

Any and all feedback is welcome. In particular, your opinions on these 
questions is solicited:



1. Is it worthwhile way to collect information on installations in the 
wiki in this fashion? I. e., is it of use to the developers and other 
users as a way of collecting and presenting feedback?



2. Assuming the answer to 1. is "Yes", what should be 
added/changed/deleted from the template to make it more useful?


3. Are the instructions in the source of the report template sufficient 
for new users to be able to easily and successfully create installation 
reports?


As an aside, it would be easier to do this sort of thing with a form on 
a website, IMHO. Once upon a time, wiki's were created to make it easier 
for novices to write on the web without knowing HTML. I'm not sure that 
is any longer the case. I'm familiar with creating forms under Drupal 
using CCK & Views. Other CMS packages probably have a similar facility. 
Anyway, just a thought.


Cheers
David

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] main ubuntu forum

[C David Rigby]

Phill Whiteside wrote:

Hi,

as promised I've had a chat with a very nice man regarding Lubuntu and 
the main ubuntu support forum. I see that we have two options available:


1) A Lubuntu 'tag' much the same as the xubuntu / kubuntu etc. tags work
2) A separate sub-forum.

#1 is the easier one to achieve as #2 has the problems of the mods 
then having to herd stuff from the general area onto the lubuntu area. 
If you feel that #1 is un-satisfactory you may ask the Forum Council 
to discuss it at the next meeting but
"I do not think we have a separate xubuntu or kubuntu section, so good 
luck with that =)"

was the reply.

I hope I have not exceeded what I said I would do in 'asking around' 
but, for the lubuntu tag I got
"I will ask the rest of the staff re: lubuntu tag, should be easy (I 
hope)"


Personally, I'd prefer the lubuntu tag rather than us being hidden 
away in some dark corner of the forum, it will encourage people to 
read about lubuntu & hopefully try it out. As always, your views on 
the two options are needed.


Regards,

Phill.


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Option (1) sounds fine to me. Regards, David

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Keyboard weirdness, Lubuntu Lucid Beta 3 - very fringe case

[C David Rigby]

Julien Lavergne wrote:

Le mardi 27 avril 2010 à 18:48 +0100, Steve a écrit :
  

There have been a couple of 'strange' language problems, involving
French  
& English, noticed by Phillw and myself, on Beta 2.  I would try it
with  
Ubuntu if you can, but I suspect it is the way the Lubuntu ISO is set
up.   
I have reported a bug where all the languages (139) are installed to
the  
hard drive. I think it is worth reporting anyway as anything that
messes  
up the install could mean one less user. 



Sorry for being quite on this. I spend last days trying to fix it for
the final release, but the way I generate the iso is quite limited. And
I don't want to spend too much time on it if we migrate to the Ubuntu
architecture for the next release.

If I don't find a solution, we need to chose one solution : keeping all
the languages on the CD (but installing them all) or don't ship them and
having a live-cd limited for language support.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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OK, no worries. As I mentioned in responding to Steve, I'm going to make 
sure the hardware is OK, then retry the installation. I'll file bug 
report(s) and find a work around if I can & document it for others. I'm 
not particularly proficient in French or Italian, but it is a workable 
option for me to do a fully French or Italian installation. That might 
give us some useful comparison cases.


How much space are we talking about for installation of all 139 languages?

Regards,
David

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Keyboard weirdness, Lubuntu Lucid Beta 3 - very fringe case

[C David Rigby]

Hello all,

I've spotted what appears to be a bug in the installer that can be run 
from the Live CD desktop environment if one chooses "Try Lubuntu without 
installing" from the main menu. Or the problem could be in the desktop 
environment itself. It is such a fringe case, though, that I am not sure 
if it is worth pursuing. It is 100% reproducible on this hardware.


The system is one I have scraped together while I am stuck in Italy. I 
plan to use it for testing, as I have a more powerful laptop at my 
disposal. The system is a home built PC based on a 440BX motherboard, 
and it has a French keyboard.


To produce the error:


1. Boot the Lubuntu Lucid Beta 3 Live CD
2. Accept the default language, English, from the boot menu
3. Press F3 and select "France" for the keymap
4. Choose the "Try Lubuntu without installing" from the primary boot menu
5. At the desktop, start the installer
6. On the keyboard selection screen of the installer (step 3) the 
installer guesses "France - Alternative"

7. Press the radio button for "Choose your own"
8. Select "France" from the right-hand window list
9. Try typing text in the test field; the keyboard produces no output
10. Open leafpad or LXTerminal; still no output from the keyboard
11. Quit the installer and restart the system from the "Logoff" menu 
item; the CD ejects, but the system does not restart.


Later steps in installation will require the keyboard, I assume, so at 
this point installation has failed.


Note: if leafpad or LXTerminal is used prior to starting the installer, 
then the problem does not occur. Text appears in these apps. Once the 
installer is started, text appears in the test field of step 3,

Workaround:

1. Do not use F3 to choose a keymap; or
2. Open leafpad or another text-input app, type something, then start 
the installer.


So, is this important enough for a formal bug report? Should I try the 
Ubuntu Lucid Beta to see if the problem occurs there also?


Your comments appreciated,
David

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Wiki updates

[C David Rigby]

Julien Lavergne wrote:

Hi,

Before the final release, I updated the wiki [1] to be easier to use. I
hope you will like it.

The documentation part is still very limited. Any help to improve it
(writing articles/tutorials, linking to interesting and existing wiki
pages ...) are welcome :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

[1] : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu


  


It looks good! Cheers, David

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Beta 3 "Multi-Language"

[C David Rigby]

Steve wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:59:50 +0100, Julien Lavergne  
wrote:



Hi,

The Lubuntu Lucid Beta 3 is now available. We are now close to the final
release, this beta should be the last one before final release.

The status of this final release is not determined yet ("beta stable",
"rc final" ...), that's why its a beta and not a rc like other *buntu.
However, final release is still planned for the end of this month, or in
very early May.

== New stuff since Beta 2 ==
* Many translations directly included.
* Lubuntu-desktop PPA added by default on installation.
* Up-to-date libfm and pcmanfm2.

== Specific Lubuntu changes ==
Lubuntu still contains modifications not available in the official
repository, you can see them in the Lubuntu PPA [1] :
- New pcmanfm2 and libfm (LP: #523433)
- lubuntu-default-settings with pcmanfm2 support
- Fix for blurry shutdown-icon from elementary-icons (LP: #527345)
- Autologin support in ubiquity (LP: #546445)


== Testing needed ==
I'll appreciate some feedbacks about the followings recent additions :
- pcmanfm2, the new filemanager, is still in beta state. Please report
bugs on
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam/pcmanfm2Testing


== Known bugs ==
* If you test on a USB, the first screen will freeze for a moment when
you click on "Try Lubuntu ...". Just wait, it will continue as normal.
* Start menu of the Live-CD is not correctly translated.
* Updates available are not shown, you need to manually update your
system.
* See also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam

== Reporting bugs ==
Bug reported during testing :
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam

If you want to create a bootable usb system, please use the usb creator
directly on Ubuntu.

Please follow the testing process described on this page :
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam . You can also
report problems and bugs relative to the tests on this page.

Torrent: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-lucid-beta3.iso.torrent
Download: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-lucid-beta3.iso
Md5: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/md5sum.txt

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

[1] :  https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa



I get the following error when I try to get the torrent file,
You don't have permission to access 
/~gilir/lubuntu-lucid-beta3.iso.torrent on this server.



Ditto, I get the 403 error. Download via http is OK. Cheers, David

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] multi screen support & docs

[C David Rigby]

Julien Lavergne wrote:

Le vendredi 23 avril 2010 à 22:17 +0100, Phillip Whiteside a écrit :
  

Not wishing to 'nag', but a descision on where people should post
support questions when there is not 'someone in'  IRC is pretty much
needed. As this is a Lubuntu project, and from earlier discussions it
was decided that it should be held else where other than on
[http://forum.phillw.net/viewforum.php?f=18 (you'd be more than
welcome to use it). But it would be good if there was somewhere for
them to ask questions & receive answers, i feel a bit 'bad' when I
post links up from there to help an OP and not a supported forum. 



There is still the ubuntuforums. With many request, we can have a
lubuntu prefix for it :)
IRC is also a solution, but it's useful only if there are people to
answer questions.

Other solution is to ask for a dedicated forum on ubuntuforums, like
Mythbuntu (http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=46).

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


  


I prefer this solution, & as mentioned elsewhere, a link to it from 
lubuntu.net, the wiki, etc.


Cheers
David

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] multi screen support & docs

[C David Rigby]

Phillip Whiteside wrote:
Julien, as i have said before, there is a good deal of good will from 
the 'guyz & galz' on the main forum area. I'll ask to what chance 
there is of including a lubuntu tag so that we may find them, i will 
also ask for the possibility of having a sub forum. I seen no reason 
as to why not, but I do not do 'office politics'. Still, there's no 
harm in asking :-)


Regards,

Phill.

We could run a forum as part of the lubuntu.net site. However, having it 
as part of the main Ubuntu forums would be better, since we are working 
towards official recognition from Canonical. A link from the lubuntu.net 
site and the wiki would then suffice.


Regards
David
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Julien Lavergne > wrote:


Le vendredi 23 avril 2010 à 22:17 +0100, Phillip Whiteside a écrit :
> Not wishing to 'nag', but a descision on where people should post
> support questions when there is not 'someone in'  IRC is pretty much
> needed. As this is a Lubuntu project, and from earlier
discussions it
> was decided that it should be held else where other than on
> [http://forum.phillw.net/viewforum.php?f=18 (you'd be more than
> welcome to use it). But it would be good if there was somewhere for
> them to ask questions & receive answers, i feel a bit 'bad' when I
> post links up from there to help an OP and not a supported forum.

There is still the ubuntuforums. With many request, we can have a
lubuntu prefix for it :)
IRC is also a solution, but it's useful only if there are people to
answer questions.

Other solution is to ask for a dedicated forum on ubuntuforums, like
Mythbuntu (http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=46).

Regards,
Julien Lavergne





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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Documentation and the 'dreaded' day

[C David Rigby]

Phillip Whiteside wrote:


On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Julien Lavergne > wrote:


Le mardi 20 avril 2010 à 17:12 +0100, Phillip Whiteside a écrit :
> Hi,
>
>
> There is not a section for "How To's" in the wiki and I am not sure
> where they would best fit in, I'm not sure if they should be at
> lubuntu.net , or if the wiki page is the
correct place for "How To's" /
> screen-casts etc. Having them all in one place is the way
forward and
> the wiki seems the correct place if we are to proceed for adoption.
> I'm thinking possibly under section 4, so that "how-tos'" can be
> added, but am not about to go 'breaking' the wiki page :-)

Any help to improve the wiki is welcome :) I'm not against the "Howto"
section, I just would like to slim the main page a bit. For example, I
think the Xubuntu or page on the wiki is quite nice :
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu

I have a mentor from the ubuntu-docs team, I'm sure he will ensure any 
postings are both factually correct & conform to layout :-)
 


And there is a Docs section ;) But we should also check what is
done on
the wiki for Ubuntu, because many tutorials could be re-use by
Lubuntu.

I plan to do some updates before the release, I'll try to add a
"Documentation" section so you can add you contribution :)

 
Release date is close, I am about to get tied up with 10.04 launch, 
it'd just be nice to point people over to a wiki page and not my own 
personal area, which was 'not so good an idea'? 
I'd really like to be able to (and so would others from the support 
people) have a set of "How To's" 
For example after the "We will not support dual screens" that is now 
there in preferences, If someone would be kind enough to fill that one 
in, I have a large gaping hole on mine, that was in my  "Things you 
can do that are totally unsupported"

Can we link wiki pages to screen casts ?

 


Regards,
Julien Lavergne


Yes, I know all the above is dead boring, but we're going to have 
n00bs hit lubuntu & they are going to need their hands holding.


I'm having a chat with a couple of people regarding how to make a 
minimal iso with lubuntu on, but with the onset of 10.04 release 
they're a bit busy.


Regards,

Phill.
  


Hello all,

I've been away from the project for a while because of various chaotic 
influences in my life. I'm intent on getting re-involved. I will pay 
some attention to the wiki ASAP, including setting up the documentation 
section, as suggested.


Cheers
David



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] RAM and CPU Requierments

[C David Rigby]

Eduard Gotwig wrote:

How many RAM and CPU does Lubuntu 10.4 will require?
i have a 266 mhz pentium 2 processor,126 mb ram and 5 gb disk space and
what linux kernel we would take?
  

Hello Eduard Gotwig,

This is much too under-powered for any distribution based on Ubuntu, as 
Zsolt Peter Basak has already remarked, and in detail. However, there 
are other Unix-like operating systems that can run on such hardware. The 
trade off is that installation will be more challenging, and effective 
use of the system will require using the shell more than a graphical 
interface. GUI's need more powerful hardware. There is simply no way 
around that requirement. On the plus side, you will gain a deeper 
knowledge of the internals of the Unix-like OS.


If this interests you, check out the BSDs:

http://www.freebsd.org/

http://netbsd.org/

http://openbsd.org/

I would use FreeBSD for a desktop or low-end server. OpenBSD would be my 
choice for a gateway or firewall system.


Regards,
C David Rigby

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu project questions - again

[C David Rigby]

On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 19:35 +0100, Liam Proven wrote:
> 2009/7/23 John Thng :
> > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1:15 AM, Liam Proven  wrote:



> > Arch, Zen and others ...
> 
> I confess I am not familiar with either. Zen Linux appears to be dead,
> last updated in 2005; its homepage is gone. Do you perhaps mean
> Zenwalk?
> 
> I have heard of both Arch & Zenwalk but not tried either, I must
> admit. My impression is that both were aimed at 686-level machines -
> Pentium Pro/II/III and higher - and were something of "geeks' distros"
> for those who like to "get under the hood" and twiddle settings.
> Certainly that's my impression of Arch.
> 

I like and use Arch. "Officially" supported binaries are compiled and
optimized for i686 & amd64 aka x86-64. Community support of binaries for
other processors, such as i586, exists in various states of
functionality. It has a "BSD-like" configuration paradigm that involves
editing /etc/rc.conf. It's basic installation is pretty minimal -
networked and CLI is about it.

I use it as a "low-end" server on a Thinkpad T23 (PIII 1.4 GHz/512 MB
RAM/100 Mbit ethernet laptop from 2001). It performs very well. This is
well above the specs Liam is proposing as a desirable target for a light
weight desktop system.

As a test, I have installed it on desktop system with similar specs and
with LXDE as the desktop. Again, it is responsive and functional.

Arch is unabashedly aimed at the knowledgeable, and it goes without
saying that the Arch community likes it that way. Neophytes and the man
page-averse should look elsewhere.

Regards
C David Rigby


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[Lubuntu-desktop] Next IRC meeting

[C David Rigby]

Hello All,

Just to make sure I've not missed the announcement: has another IRC
meeting been scheduled?

I am working my way through the logs now...

Cheers
CDR


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[C David Rigby]

On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 15:07 +0100, Ed Hewitt wrote:
> I believe its a bad idea having different versions of Lubuntu, having
> different meta packages of Lubuntu is not what lubutnu needs. Its all
> about lightweight distro. The Ubuntu guidelines requires the distro to
> have one build, lubuntu-desktop.

That's a good point that I had not considered when I suggested that the
installer might offer multiple meta-packages. Thanks for pointing it
out.

Also: 

On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 10:03 +0200, Mario Behling wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> Internet bandwidth in countries like Afghanistan or in African
> countries is often very low. So, we need to consider this. Some people
> say "you can just download and install applications on top of a
> minimum install", in regions with limited bandwidth this is not an
> option.
> 
> In regards to mobile devices and architectures like ARM and Mips, we
> also have to think that new netbooks and other devices are coming out.
> They often have low resolutions. I recently saw a netbook with 800x420
> screen resolution in China.

Full disclosure: despite my love of Ubuntu, I do not use it everywhere.
If I have a specialized use for a piece of low-resource hardware, I
pick the distro that best fits the requirements. I don't mind working a
bit harder to squeeze out more efficiency. This is not the approach
appropriate for desktop end-users, though. They should not have to
bother, nor need the help of a power user to get set up.

> So, I think talking about the goal of the distribution is the first
> thing to consider and the second step is to talk about single
> applications. If an applications fulfills goals well, but at a later
> point another application fulfills our goals better, we can switch.
> 
> The question now: What is the goal of lubuntu for you? Do you suggest
> something else?


I was thinking about all of this. In a prior project I worked on for a
lightweight GNU/Linux distro, distributing CDs in Africa where there
was little or no network access was one of our goals. Some of the group
actually went to Africa (I forget exactly where) with a van full of
older, donated gear and set up an entire school lab this way.

So, I propose that the goal should be a complete Ubuntu with the
critical apps (Firefox, Open Office) that uses LXDE rather than
GNOME/KDE/Xubuntu. This would better suit the needs of the proposed
users. In other words, in the trade off between lightweight and
complete functionality, I would vote for functionality at the expense
of efficiency.

As well:

On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 17:44 +0100, Ed Hewitt wrote:
> Apart from choosing the right applications for the distro, the other
> thing we need to think about is background services...I try and solve
> the problem by installing BUM and using the services manager in
> Ubuntu, but you can only turn on/off about 15-20 services.

Very good point. As long as we don't deviate from the Ubuntu guidelines,
this is one of the areas where we could optimize effectively without
sacrificing too much end-user functionality. BUM is Perl-GTK2, so
perhaps it or an application we derive from it would be something we
could include in Lubuntu? It does not appear to be part of my Ubuntu
9.04 default installation. This might be a way to provide the user some
control over the trade-off between efficiency and functionality.

Regards
C David Rigby


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] U-Lite

[C David Rigby]

On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 18:46 -0500, Dallas Wiebelhaus wrote:
> For some reason I had forgotten that U-Lite was using LXDE , I thought
> they were using XFCE , maybe because of the recent alpha screenshots.
> 
> I just want to make sure that the Lubuntu people are Aware of U-Lite
> are these two projects related or completely separate?
> 
> http://u-lite.org/

Shae Smittle, the maintainer and developer of U-lite, is involved with
the Lubuntu project. I'll leave it to him to fill in details.

Cheers
C David Rigby


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[C David Rigby]

On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 18:40 +0100, Ed Hewitt and several others wrote:



Restating the obvious, but the engineering trade off is always between
"ease of use/fully featured" on the one hand and lightweight on the
other. The necessary criterion is to decide what we really want to
build, and make it unique and useful enough to attract interest.

I've proposed it before, but I'll say it again as more people are on the
list now (sorry that I've missed the IRC meetings for the last two weeks
where the app mix has been the topic of discussion). How about the
possibility of a very slim base install with the installer offering
"bundles" to meet individual needs and desires? Something like the
FreeBSD or Debian text installers comes to mind.

The base installation would be just a command-line, network-capable
system plus enough of X to get LXDE operational. We would be pushing the
real work to the installer. The installer, whether text-based or
grahpical, would need to provide a lot of choices of bundles to
install. 

More importantly, I think the installer should provide something I have
yet to see. That something is extensive documentation of the choices of
bundles of applications, and what they mean in terms of system
performance vs features. It should be organized so that a savvy user
could bypass the explanations (or load a jumpstart script), but a novice
would get a detailed explanation of what the choices are and what they
mean for the final installed system.

My $0.02.

Cheers
C David Rigby


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] lubuntu IRC meet up, irc.freenode.org, #lubuntu, Friday 19, 23.00 Taipei, Singapore / Moscow 19:00 / 17.00 Berlin 12:00 Rio de Janeiro / 11:00 New York

[C David Rigby]

On Thu, 2009-06-18 at 19:16 +0200, Mario Behling wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> many people have joined Lubuntu in recent weeks. The discussion which
> applications to include took mainly part in the wiki till now. It is
> time to take decisions. So, we are scheduling a first IRC meetup to
> decide which applications to include in lubuntu. Please join us at the
> lubuntu channel on freenode on Friday 19.
> 
> More details below.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Mario
> 

Hello All,

I'm sorry I did not make the meeting. I'm ill and though I tried to hang
tough until the time the meeting started, I did not succeed.

Regards
C David Rigby


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Packaging List

[C David Rigby]

On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 20:40 -0400, dave slaughter wrote:
> I noticed that the wiki has been changed, and it looks great, but
> where did the package list go? I am beginning to start work on the
> base disk that I am going to use for building the development iso, and
> could use that list for packages to include. If someone could point me
> in the right direction of where it may be, it would help greatly.
> Thanks,
> Dave

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Installation Testing {Was: Re: Apology}

[C David Rigby]

On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 17:13 -0400, Robin wrote:
> I owe Shae a huge apology!!
> 
> My correspondence regarding my U-Lite experience should not have been
> copied to this list! It was meant to be private, but it must have been
> copied to this list as well.
> 
> Shae, my own frustrating experience with U-Lite notwithstanding, I
> think it's great that you are here and helping to create Lubuntu. Your
> experience and expertise far outweighs my own, and I have no doubt
> that the project has already enormously benefited from your
> participation and experience.
> 
> My sincere apologies for my carelessness.
> 
> Red-faced,
> Robin
> 

Hello Robin,

Don't worry about it too much. Perhaps you could have been a bit more
tactful, but when it comes to FOSS projects, negative user feedback is
better than no feedback at all.

On the other hand, providing more detailed feedback would be even
better. Since the next task I've assigned to myself in the
TestingSubteam is an InstallationReportTemplate for our wiki, and since
you have indicated you are interested in helping with testing, perhaps
we can profit from your experience?

In other words and more generally addressed to everyone:

Perhaps we can work out our installation testing procedure using U-lite,
MoonOS or other LXDE-on-Ubuntu distros? Then, once Lubuntu is ready to
try, we will have our testing procedure ready to go. As well, we can
help the other projects by giving them more detailed feedback on their
efforts.

If anyone is interested in adding to or commenting on the
InstallationReportTemplate or procedure, head on over to the starting
point at the TestingSubTeam page, and look under "Current Tasks":

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam/

Cheers
CDR


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu wiki revision ready for review

[C David Rigby]

On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 09:09 -0700, Luther Goh Lu Feng wrote:
> 
> 
> --- On Wed, 5/27/09, C David Rigby  wrote:
> 
> > From: C David Rigby 
> > Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu wiki revision ready for review
> > To: "Lubuntu Project" 
> > Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 8:10 AM
> > On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 13:47 +0100,
> > Mario Behling wrote:
> > > Dear David,
> > > 
> > > thanks a lot. It looks great.
> > > 
> > > I think, we could replace it immediately. It is not
> > such a big
> > > decision, I believe. If anyone objects or would like
> > to change, please
> > > tell us.
> > > 
> > > As the active team is still relatively small - just
> > one question
> > > concerning Subteams. Do we need already an extra page
> > for each subteam
> > > at this point? It might be still ok at this point to
> > have the teams
> > > and tasks still in one page. There are always pros and
> > cons (I know
> > > them). Just decide what seems best to you now. I dont
> > see a special
> > > need for an extra translations team at that point, as
> > LXDE has its own
> > > translation project.
> > > 
> > > Thanks again for the set up.
> > > 
> > > Please switch to it.
> > > 
> > > All the best,
> > > 
> > > Mario
> > > 
> > 
> > OK - I will switch it over.
> > 
> > Cheers
> > CDR
> > > 
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> I have taken the liberty to synchronise the recent changes to 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ at 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LubuntuFirstBis
> 
> Please check that everything is in order before switching 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LubuntuFirstBis over.
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Luther
> 
> 
>   

Hello Luther,

Thanks for taking care of that. I was just sitting down to do that this
AM when I noted that you did it, and that Mario had switched the root
page to the new version.

Heh. All my work done for me while I slept! (8->

Cheers
CDR


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu wiki revision ready for review

[C David Rigby]

On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 13:47 +0100, Mario Behling wrote:
> Dear David,
> 
> thanks a lot. It looks great.
> 
> I think, we could replace it immediately. It is not such a big
> decision, I believe. If anyone objects or would like to change, please
> tell us.
> 
> As the active team is still relatively small - just one question
> concerning Subteams. Do we need already an extra page for each subteam
> at this point? It might be still ok at this point to have the teams
> and tasks still in one page. There are always pros and cons (I know
> them). Just decide what seems best to you now. I dont see a special
> need for an extra translations team at that point, as LXDE has its own
> translation project.
> 
> Thanks again for the set up.
> 
> Please switch to it.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Mario
> 
> 

Hello Mario,

I see that you switched this over already. Cool. CDR

> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 1:35 PM, C David Rigby  
> wrote:
> > Hello All,
> >
> > The draft restructuring of the Lubuntu pages on the Ubuntu wiki are
> > ready for your review. Please have a look, check the links, kick the
> > tires, etc. Please send error reports or other comments back to this
> > mailing list. You can fix things yourself too, of course. It's a wiki.
> >
> > Once we are happy with it, the page linked below (or whatever the final
> > draft is) will replace the current https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu main
> > page.
> >
> > Please start here:
> >
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LubuntuFirstBis
> >
> > Regards & Thanks for your comments,
> > CDR
> >
> >


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu wiki revision ready for review

[C David Rigby]

On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 13:47 +0100, Mario Behling wrote:
> Dear David,
> 
> thanks a lot. It looks great.
> 
> I think, we could replace it immediately. It is not such a big
> decision, I believe. If anyone objects or would like to change, please
> tell us.
> 
> As the active team is still relatively small - just one question
> concerning Subteams. Do we need already an extra page for each subteam
> at this point? It might be still ok at this point to have the teams
> and tasks still in one page. There are always pros and cons (I know
> them). Just decide what seems best to you now. I dont see a special
> need for an extra translations team at that point, as LXDE has its own
> translation project.
> 
> Thanks again for the set up.
> 
> Please switch to it.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Mario
> 

OK - I will switch it over.

Cheers
CDR
> 
> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 1:35 PM, C David Rigby  
> wrote:
> > Hello All,
> >
> > The draft restructuring of the Lubuntu pages on the Ubuntu wiki are
> > ready for your review. Please have a look, check the links, kick the
> > tires, etc. Please send error reports or other comments back to this
> > mailing list. You can fix things yourself too, of course. It's a wiki.
> >
> > Once we are happy with it, the page linked below (or whatever the final
> > draft is) will replace the current https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu main
> > page.
> >
> > Please start here:
> >
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LubuntuFirstBis
> >
> > Regards & Thanks for your comments,
> > CDR
> >
> >


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[Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu wiki revision ready for review

[C David Rigby]

Hello All,

The draft restructuring of the Lubuntu pages on the Ubuntu wiki are
ready for your review. Please have a look, check the links, kick the
tires, etc. Please send error reports or other comments back to this
mailing list. You can fix things yourself too, of course. It's a wiki.

Once we are happy with it, the page linked below (or whatever the final
draft is) will replace the current https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu main
page.

Please start here:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LubuntuFirstBis

Regards & Thanks for your comments,
CDR


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[Lubuntu-desktop] Restructuring of the Lubuntu wiki page(s) on wiki.ubuntu.com

[C David Rigby]

Dear All,

Sorry, it has taken longer for me to really dig into the project of
restructuring the wiki pages than I thought it would. (There has been a
big surge of activity in preparations for Software Freedom Day
(Singapore) 2009 which has taken up most of my free time for the last
week.)

I am working on the process today (Monday 25 May in Singapore). I am
creating the structure as an alternate set of pages, so there will be no
impact on the current wiki page until everyone has had a chance to look
over my proposed changes.

However, I will need to manually update the revision with all content
added to the current page before I switch to the new structure. Most
likely I will not lose anything (I can use the wiki tracking features to
make sure I collect all changes from this point in time). However, it
would be helpful if you drop me a quick email
( https://launchpad.net/~c-david-rigby ) if you add content to the
current page. Redundancy is a good thing!

As soon as I have something worked out, I will advise everyone via this
list. At that point, please review and comment on the changes.

Regards
C David Rigby


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[Lubuntu-desktop] Offline package updates - AptonCD {Re: lubuntu - minimal install or full featured lightweight distro}

[C David Rigby]

On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 14:55 +0800, C David Rigby wrote:

 

> Is there some sort of asynchronous updating application that can
> automate the process of scanning an installed system, cataloguing the
> installed packages, and then later connect to the Internet to determine
> needed updates? Then the entire bundle of updated packages for an
> installed system could be downloaded and brought back to the installed
> system at a later date.
> 
> If there is no such application, or if it is not a feature of an
> existing one like synaptic, then is it something we could develop?

I've been reminded of a tool that is applicable to this issue, though
perhaps not optimized for the specific task. Noted for future reference.

lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net

Regards
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Should we solicit or nominate coordinators?

[C David Rigby]

On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 14:28 +0800, Mario Behling wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 1:59 PM, C David Rigby  
> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 13:40 +0800, Mario Behling wrote:
.
.
.
> >>
> >> Concerning the wiki, the more comments we leave the more difficult it
> >> seems to follow - even though it is nice to have background infos and
> >> opinions. Not sure which way to go, but I think some things are easier
> >> discussed on a mailing list and as people join the IRC set up by
> >> Elfgoh at irc.freenode.net #lubuntu
> >>
> >>
> >
> > The wiki model of documentation writing is both powerful and limited by
> > the same thing: its free-form nature and the fact that anyone with
> > access can contribute. Ultimately, like wikipedia, editors get involved
> > to structure it and guide its growth.
> >
> > In our case, we have probably already reached the point where someone
> > should step in and start dividing it into separate pages based on the
> > different sections that have already been set up. We could the replace
> > the base page with an intro + table of contents into the content itself.
> > A brief "how to contribute to this wiki" page is also useful to give
> > contributors a basic idea of the layout so that they can more easily
> > insert their contributions into the larger structure.
> >
> > If there is general interest in this sort of refactoring now, before the
> > wiki page itself gets really unwieldy, I would be happy to work on it.
> > What does everyone think?
> 
> Yes, good idea. We can also have a look on XFCE in the wiki, how they do it.
> 

OK, I'll start on it Thursday, tentatively, unless there are objections.
I'll use XFCE as the model.

Regards
CDR


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] lubuntu - minimal install or full featured lightweight distro

[C David Rigby]

On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 14:20 +0800, Mario Behling wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> I would like to start a discussion about the goals of lubuntu, outline
> what I believe and get your feedback. This is an important question as
> we should include packages according to the goals.
> 
> The usage case I see for lubuntu is a situation like in emerging
> countries where Internet availability or bandwidth is often limited
> and the power of CPU etc. is low. I was recently working with the
> community in Afghanistan. People usually download software through one
> person, for example in a company overnight, and then share it through
> a USB stick. So the size of the image is important but not the most
> important. To install and upload packages on a single computer is more
> difficult as bandwidth of personal users is limited. It is possible to
> use Internet, messengers and maybe listen to some music, but
> downloading larger updates and making net-installations is an issue.
> 
> Looking at this case, I would like to see lubuntu as a distribution
> offering more applications than just a minimal install. A lubuntu
> image could be downloaded by one person and then easily distributed
> among many people having different usages cases. Currently we already
> have a minimal install of LXDE in Debian.
> 
> If here is a choice among different solutions, we should choose the
> lightweight solutions. However, we also need to look at the support of
> translations for example to make lubuntu a widely adapted distro. It
> is important to include applications that support many languages.
> 
> Defining these goals, it becomes clear - there are many compromises.
> But as we go on with the project and will release new versions, we are
> always able to adapt our decisions.
> 
> The question of lubuntu is:
> 1. Either we want to make it a minimal install or
> 2. we want to make it a lightweight alternative to full featured distros.
> I vouch for the second.
> 
> What do you think?
> 

The lack of ready access to the Internet does make #1 above less useful
for a desktop user. So, I agree more with #2, given your stated goal. 

Some questions & thoughts come to mind:

* What is the minimal image (set of packages) that can be called Ubuntu?
In other words, what functionality of Ubuntu must we have? Related to
that:
   * Is it Canonical that decides what the minimum set of packages is in
order for it to be called an official *buntu derivative?
   * Is this documented somewhere, in a fashion similar to the Debian
Policy Manual?
   I admit to ignorance on the above questions.

* As a stage in development, should we do #1 anyway? If it minimal
install is defined as Ubuntu server + LXDE or a subset of LXDE's
components, then that is pretty straight forward. If we are talking
about reworking Ubuntu desktop, or starting at a more basic level, then
a solid minimal installation should be the starting point for further
development. Even if what we all we are doing is subtracting packages,
and thus functionality, that we decide we do not need, a mistake here is
painful later when the system lacks something needed by the users.

I just did a quick web search on 9.10 Karmic Koala, and I see that the
server will have features like cloud computing. Perhaps that is not
appropriate to the goals stated above? In that case, we may need to
carefully define the base on which we will build.

* Given our lead time, should we start tracking 9.10 as a reference,
rather than 9.04?

* If we expand our goal to include other situations (e. g., installation
to a VM, small installation to a USB flash, etc.) then #1 becomes more
useful in and of itself.

> Best,
> 
> Mario
> 
> 
> PS: The option to have a choice of software to install is a good idea
> for following releases as well, but requires more competences that we
> need to build up, I guess.
> 

The situation you describe makes me wonder about updates to existing
installations. If we assume that a significant portion of installed
Lubuntu systems will be used offline, how do we propagate updates to
them?

Is there some sort of asynchronous updating application that can
automate the process of scanning an installed system, cataloguing the
installed packages, and then later connect to the Internet to determine
needed updates? Then the entire bundle of updated packages for an
installed system could be downloaded and brought back to the installed
system at a later date.

If there is no such application, or if it is not a feature of an
existing one like synaptic, then is it something we could develop?

I'm old enough to know about updating a lab or a business via "sneaker
net" and floppy disks, because I did often enough, years ago. A suppose
a more modern version would involve a satchel of USB flash drives and a
bicycle, scooter, or bus ticket.

Regards
CDR

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Should we solicit or nominate coordinators?

[C David Rigby]

On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 13:40 +0800, Mario Behling wrote:
> Thank you David!
> 
> I have added a team section to the wiki at
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu . I guess for the beginning people can
> just add their names here if they wish. Subproject coordinators -
> people can become that according to their contribution I guess. Please
> add your names to your field of interest.
> 

OK - I will do that.

> 
> Concerning the wiki, the more comments we leave the more difficult it
> seems to follow - even though it is nice to have background infos and
> opinions. Not sure which way to go, but I think some things are easier
> discussed on a mailing list and as people join the IRC set up by
> Elfgoh at irc.freenode.net #lubuntu
> 
> 

The wiki model of documentation writing is both powerful and limited by
the same thing: its free-form nature and the fact that anyone with
access can contribute. Ultimately, like wikipedia, editors get involved
to structure it and guide its growth.

In our case, we have probably already reached the point where someone
should step in and start dividing it into separate pages based on the
different sections that have already been set up. We could the replace
the base page with an intro + table of contents into the content itself.
A brief "how to contribute to this wiki" page is also useful to give
contributors a basic idea of the layout so that they can more easily
insert their contributions into the larger structure.

If there is general interest in this sort of refactoring now, before the
wiki page itself gets really unwieldy, I would be happy to work on it.
What does everyone think?

As an aside, it is for this reason that I prefer a CMS such as Drupal.
It comes with several reasonable structures, like "blog" and "book",
already available as modules. They make structuring a larger,
multi-contributor document a lot easier. The trade-off is that their
initial set up requires more effort.

I do want to avoid getting too wrapped up in site building if it takes
time away from working on the software. However, as a technical writer,
I've seen what happens to many projects where documentation is an
afterthought. It's not pretty! (8->

> Best regards,
> 
> Mario
> 
> 

Cheers
CDR

> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:08 AM, C David Rigby  
> wrote:
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > We have 54 members registered for team Lubuntu. Should we solicit or
> > nominate coordinators for the various sub-domains of activity in
> > building Lubuntu? For example, Mario has suggested we need contributions
> > in the areas of (from https://edge.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop ):
> >
> > * packaging
> > * coding
> > * artwork
> > * documentation
> > * translation
> > * testing
> >
> > For example, looking at this list, I would feel comfortable coordinating
> > efforts on testing or documentation, because I know those areas
> > reasonably well already. I would be glad to learn about and help with
> > packaging and coding, but I do not know enough to coordinate the efforts
> > of others. I'm useless for artwork and translation.
> >
> > I'm not sure it is warranted, but with 54 members and growing, we may
> > need an "executive committee" of sorts. This would also free Mario from
> > having to micromanage all elements of activity.
> >
> > Your thoughts?
> >
> > Regards
> > C David Rigby
> >


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[Lubuntu-desktop] Should we solicit or nominate coordinators?

[C David Rigby]

Hello everyone,

We have 54 members registered for team Lubuntu. Should we solicit or
nominate coordinators for the various sub-domains of activity in
building Lubuntu? For example, Mario has suggested we need contributions
in the areas of (from https://edge.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop ):

* packaging
* coding
* artwork
* documentation
* translation
* testing

For example, looking at this list, I would feel comfortable coordinating
efforts on testing or documentation, because I know those areas
reasonably well already. I would be glad to learn about and help with
packaging and coding, but I do not know enough to coordinate the efforts
of others. I'm useless for artwork and translation.

I'm not sure it is warranted, but with 54 members and growing, we may
need an "executive committee" of sorts. This would also free Mario from
having to micromanage all elements of activity.

Your thoughts?

Regards
C David Rigby


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