Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LxFind

[Michael Rawson]

Looking very cool. I'm liking the expanded results box now, and the icons. :)

I can't get it to build currently, but I'll get moving as soon as I can.

Perhaps have a feature like 'open in pcmanfm'? (you might have already 
implemented that, I'm still using the one built off the second revision. :L

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New mailing list, PLEASE READ

[Michael Rawson]

Oh, I'm sorry, I misunderstood your original email.

I thought you meant 'we have a new mailing list, x, and if you want to keep up 
with the Lubuntu discussion, there's thsi one: y'

Sorry. :(

Thanks,

michael

On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 16:04:11 +0100
Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Le 01/05/2012 11:09 PM, Michael Rawson a écrit :
> > So...is this the developer list, the user list, or both? Or some
> > combination thereof?
> Both, this was discussed in a previous meeting.
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New mailing list, PLEASE READ

[Michael Rawson]

On 05/01/12 19:21, Julien Lavergne wrote:

Hi,

It's official, we have a new mailing list :)

lubuntu-us...@lists.ubuntu.com

If you want to continue to follow the lubuntu discussions, please 
subscribe to this new mailing list (See 
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users ).


The lubuntu-desktop mailing should not be used now for new 
discussions, and the team will be close soon.


Thanks for your attention :)

Regards,
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So...is this the developer list, the user list, or both? Or some 
combination thereof?


Sorry, behind the times and a little confused.

Thanks,

Michael

PS I know, sort of a new topic, but I'm moving.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] My Story in 2011

[Michael Rawson]

On 31/12/11 21:27, amjjawad HOOHAA wrote:

Dear All,

In few words, I'd like to share my story in 2011 with you all.
2011 was A CRAZY YEAR and fill of lots of things that can't be 
summarized. I admit it was full of screws up but TWO GREAT THINGS 
happened in 2011 that changed my history, present and future.


In 2011, I found the real purpose and aim of my life that I shall 
spend my life time ... each year, month, day, minute, second and nano 
second praying and be very much grateful for that. The Steps that I 
have made in 2011, unquestionably, the best step I've ever made, 
period. My one and only love, you have supported me and still do ... 
you have never let me down and still do ... you have never given up on 
me and still do ... no words and nothing will express how much I'm 
grateful to you. *Happy New Love Year to You* <3 *THANK YOU SO MUCH 
FOR BEING IN MY LIFE* :)


In 2011, my interest, activity, understanding and experience in Linux 
has grown up and it became so obvious how much I like Linux and what 
I'm capable to do for it. Before that, I used to like everything and 
anything. Was jumping here and there with no clear aim or purpose. 
That vanished and faded away the moment I did the second great step in 
2011 and joined Lubuntu Team. I've never done something so right like 
that. I'm quite sure I have finally done the RIGHT step and I shall 
never regret it.


Long story short, I'm the Happiest and the Luckiest man on earth with 
these two huge achievements and I promise I shall improve that in 2012 :)


I'd like to show my appreciation to each and every member of this 
amazing family ... no doubt Lubuntu is my second family. Thank you and 
I'm so much proud to be with you :)


Special thanks to very special people here: Phill, Julien and Michael, 
you guys are amazing .. THANK YOU for everything :)


May this year be much better for Lubuntu and each one of us ... God 
bless you all and wish you all the best in the world. Happy New Year :)


I have made this little thing ... feel free to share it. Nothing much, 
I made it with Photoshop in few mins because I was in hurry :P


http://i40.tinypic.com/5mdxe.jpg

Oh yes, my 2012 will definitely be special too ;)


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D'awww. 

Seriously, thank YOU AJ, you've been brilliant, really supportive of me, 
as a mentor and friend, hope this continues for a long time yet. :D


My New Year is still two hours away, but I thought I'd post now before 
something unexpected happens (it always does!), but thanks also to 
Amjjawad and Julien/gilir especially, Phil and all the other regular 
contributors. And Morgaes, if he's listening. First year in Linux, and 
it's been a really good one.


I'm really looking forward to Precise Pangolin, LTS or not, and whatever 
they're going to make of Q (quirky quagger?) I also leave secondary 
school later this year, so I hope to be taking computing soon to broaden 
my interest in the topic.


Had my hair cut, and it's dropping all over the keyboard, so I'll stop 
now, but thanks everyone, and I hope you have a very happy new year.


Michael

PS AJ, you missed the depends of the 2012 package, friends, LXDE, and 
the new-lubuntu meta-package. :P
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] GSOC - Lubuntu style?

[Michael Rawson]

Well, IDK precisely what the GSOC does exactly, I'd like to join in, preferably 
as a student. I don't know if this helps.

On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 14:43:34 +0100
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> Le 12/31/2011 11:19 AM, David Reimer a écrit :
> > It's probably a bit of a lottery, is it?
> Well, we lack mentors and interesting projects, that the reasons why we
> could not get in last times. I also unsure if we can apply as a separate
> project from Ubuntu.
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-list] About lxpanel2

[Michael Rawson]

Wow, sounds good!

Sign me up. :D

Keep us informed. A new (or at least bugfixed) panel would be awesome.


On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 13:19:32 +0800
PCMan  wrote:

> Recently there are some discussions about lxpanel on the mailing list,
> which is really great.
> Hope that we can have a new maintainer for it.
> 
> The original lxpanel, however, is bound to gtk2, xlib, and some
> linux-specific stuff.
> This makes migration to new technology very difficult.
> Much has happened in recent years.
> 1. gtk3 replaces gtk2.
>   The management of window geometry and underlying drawing parts have
> radical and backward incompatible changes.
>   Background image support will be completely broken in gtk3 as many
> deprecated APIs are removed from gtk3, especially the pixmap-related ones.
> 2. HAL is deprecated and now we have udisks/upower (linux-only), and things
> never work for other unix variants.
> 3. logout/shutdown should be done with ConsoleKit now.
> 4. Xlib is going to be replaced by xcb.
> 5. Xorg will sooner or later be replaced by Wayland in some distros
> 6. gio and dbus became widely used nowadays.
> 7. pulse audio is widely used, and direct ALSA access sometimes causes
> problems
> 
> Hence, making old code work with new tech might even be more difficult then
> a rewrite.
> That's why a rewrite/redesign is planned.
> A project without many maintainers should not be trapped in the vicious
> cycle of fixing the broken compatibilities again and again.
> We have only one way out, reusing existing libraries whenever possible and
> trying not to touch too low level stuff.
> 
> Now I mainly focus on finishing pcmanfm 1.0, but previously I already have
> a proof-of-concept prototype for lxpanel2. It's now 40% finished.
> Here is the spec of the new lxpanel2.
> 
> 1. Mainly written in Vala, and use C when absolutely needed to speed up
> developement
> 2. Directly based on gtk3 and does not mess with gtk2. Drawing stuff will
> be done completely with cairo.
> 3. Built with CMake instead of automake (already done)
> 4. Use standard widgets whenever possible to get proper accessibility
> support (important!!)
> 5. Network monitor part is based on libgtop (90% finished)
> Libgtop is a nice lightweight library designed for system monitoring.
> It works for major systems, not Linux-only.
> Even better, it has no gnome dependency.
> 6. Pager and task manager part will use libwnck. (80% finished)
> With libwnck, we do not touch underlying X11 stuff and can be much more
> portable and resistant to future changes of X.
> Though it's a gnome lib, it only depends on gtk and has no other gnome
> dependencies.
> The implementation is quite clean and complete and the APIs are well
> documented, making it nice to work with.
> 7. Battery monitor will use dbus + UPower. (70% finished)
> Glib/gio has built-in dbus support now so no additional deps are
> needed. Vala even has dbus integration at the language level. Great!
> This may be much better than read from /sys as upower devs will handle
> future incompatible changes and provide a constant dbus interface.
> 8. IPC stuff will use dbus instead of XSelection hacks. (dbus is quite
> common now and glib has built-in support)
> 9. The config file might become a single xml file (not sure, still under
> evaluation. Ini file based solution is not very handy for tree like data
> structure)
> 10.The UI might be similar than that of the old lxpanel initially, but in
> the future we need to be more unique and won't be Windows-like.
> 11.Volume control should be an additional plugin or systray applet instead
> of built into the panel. So we won't depend on ALSA by default.
> 
> Instead of reinventing everything in a poor manner, this time I will reuse
> existing implementations whenever possible
> if they are lightweight enough. This should decrease maintenance load to a
> minimum and guarantee tolerance to future changes.
> With Vala, coding became much faster than before. To achieve the same
> functionality as in C, I felt that only 1/3 of code is needed.
> Though the new lxpanel2 will not be available soon, it will be pushed into
> repo once I got a first working version.
> Of course, this should happen after the file manager 1.0 is done.
> 
> Thanks for your patience.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Merry Christmas

[Michael Rawson]

>From me too, I'm looking forward to 12.04 and 12.10.

My first time here, so I'm very grateful to you all for making me feel so 
welcome. :)

Michael

On Sat, 24 Dec 2011 10:40:35 +0100
Leszek Lesner  wrote:

> Am 24.12.2011 10:34, schrieb Stephen Smally:
> > Merry Christmas Everyone! thanks for your awesome work!
> 
> Merry Christmas also from me to everyone ;)
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LSC "some apps missing bug", and where to report bugs for LSC

[Michael Rawson]

I know, it's annoying being a Brit. :D

On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 17:09:44 +
Yorvyk  wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:16:23 +
> Michael Rawson  wrote:
> 
> > I have had a similiar experience; I literally just filed the bug here:
> > 
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-software-center/+bug/907037
> > 
> > You can report bugs here (providing you have LP account):
> > 
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-software-center/+filebug
> > 
> > as it is purely a Lubuntu project.
> > 
> > If it is a 'runtime' bug i.e. there is an error, not if there is a missing 
> > feature, attach the output of "lubuntu-software-center" in your bug report. 
> > Also, try the latest bzr branch release before reporting (currently rev. 77 
> > in the trunk)
> > 
> Found the bug reports.  I was searching using centre not center.
> 
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[Lubuntu-desktop] LSC "some apps missing bug", and where to report bugs for LSC

[Michael Rawson]

I have had a similiar experience; I literally just filed the bug here:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-software-center/+bug/907037

You can report bugs here (providing you have LP account):

https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-software-center/+filebug

as it is purely a Lubuntu project.

If it is a 'runtime' bug i.e. there is an error, not if there is a missing 
feature, attach the output of "lubuntu-software-center" in your bug report. 
Also, try the latest bzr branch release before reporting (currently rev. 77 in 
the trunk)

Thanks,

Michael

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Me again :)

[Michael Rawson]

Great!

I see no reason why we couldn't have a forum-Ubuntu has one, Kubuntu has one, 
presumably Xubuntu is gnashing their teeth to have one...

About adding your name, find the location of the default panel pic and write 
over it in gimp. :)

On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:20:10 +0400
amjjawad HOOHAA  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> Long story short:
> 
> 1- I'm thinking about a Marketing Team which will be dedicated to Lubuntu
> Marketing and its members will focus ONLY on Marketing. As always, I'm
> willing to contribute and join but I just thought to propose the idea here
> and SO SORRY if this is not the right place to do that :)
> 
> 2- What are the chances of having a dedicated Forum JUST for Lubuntu? or
> maybe a Sub-Forum either on Ubuntu Forum or LXDE Forum? needless to say I'm
> more than up to this but again, I'd like to propose the idea here.
> 
> 3- Lubuntu is an official variant of Ubuntu now. Regarding the funds and
> stuff like that, is Canonical taking care of that? what if I find someone
> who can denote or help us financially?  I understand it's free OS but I'm
> working on that ... I'm looking for someone to denote or help us
> financially.
> 
> 4- Like GNOME 2.xx (say Ubuntu 10.04), how can I add my username to the
> panel? is there anyway? in Ubuntu 10.04, I can see my username on the top
> panel but how hard or easy is it to do the same on Lubuntu?
> 
> 
> That's all for now.
> 
> Thanks :)
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Software center doesn't think it's connected to internet

[Michael Rawson]

There was an update recently, maybe it fixed it.

 Maybe the cache didn't get built properly when they installed due to dodgy 
internet.

If you can get hold of the person, can you get them to file a bug please!

Although interesting, never had this problem.

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:28:40 +
Yorvyk  wrote:

> Anybody any ideas on this problem?
> 
> "Installed the PPA – software center looks lovely – but that’s about all it 
> does. Tried to install several different software and all failed stating I 
> was not connected to the internet when in fact my internet is working 
> perfectly fine." from 
> http://frenchfortunecookie.wordpress.com/2011/11/24/lovin-lubuntu#comments
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LxScreenshot update

[Michael Rawson]

Sounds good. :)

On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:29:28 +0100
Stephen Smally  wrote:

> Hi, i have updated lxscreenshot, now it's possible use the command-line 
> arguments (there is only one, --shot or -s, wich is a non-interactive mode).
> so we can setup the Stamp button to use 'lxscreenshot --shot', wich 
> popup the window with the screenshot, an example:
> 
> scrot
> 
> The ppa is building.
> 
> Regards
> 
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> 


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Killing glade and gconf -- are there general guidelines or a blueprint?

[Michael Rawson]

I guess it's possible to remove glade and 'hard-code' the interface, but it 
might take a while.

On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 01:36:46 -0800
Jonathan Marsden  wrote:

> On 11/26/2011 01:07 AM, Julien Lavergne wrote:
> 
> > No, the priority is the glade migration because only Lubuntu specific
> > packages are involved.
> 
> 
> OK, that helps.  Is there documentation out there somewhere about what
> to replace glade with?  Examples, tutorials, whatever?  Is using glade
> 3.10.x (and so GTK3) sufficient?  Or are we really "killing" glade?
> 
> Also, it looks like the "quickly" programming environment (that Ubuntu
> has been pushing as a way for new programmers to get started) uses glade
> -- is that being changed too?  Otherwise, new programmers will continue
> to use it to build their small applications... which will use glade!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jonathan
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New web site for Lubuntu

[Michael Rawson]

tu site" concept, but the graphical look is less important to
> me than ability to easily find information, and to know that information
> is likely to be correct and up to date.  For that, the basic principle
> of how and when the lubuntu.net site links to the existing wiki pages,
> and vice versa, needs to be clearly established, and then consistently
> implemented.
> 
> >>  (4) In English, we say "operating system" not "operative system".
> 
> >> There are a couple of other places where the English needs tidying up.
> 
> 
> > Sure, we need a native Brit to proof-read. I'll correct this one when
> > I get home. Did you find any more of these?
> 
> 
> I am a "native Brit" (born in England, although now living in
> California); my father is a (now retired) schoolteacher with an M.A. in
> English from Cambridge University... so he made sure my English was
> pretty good :)  I'm not volunteering as an official site proofreader,
> though.
> 
> Here are a couple more: "run as a live boot" feels awkward; "run live,
> directly from a CDROM or USB stick", maybe?  "way different" feels
> unnecessarily "California slang" in style; "very different" or "much
> faster" might be clearer?
> 
> Jonathan
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] 431 users!

[Michael Rawson]

Geez, never said I liked it. :)

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 10:27:15 +0100
Swapnil Bhartiya  wrote:

> 
> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] 431 users!

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] 431 users!

[Michael Rawson]

OMG! Ubuntu is a news site for all things ubuntu, giving tips&tricks, surveys, 
reviews, etc. Google it. :D

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 09:35:45 +0100
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> I have been using Lubuntu on my Dell Mini. Found it far more efficient 
> than Xubuntu or Ubuntu. Only gripe, on smaller screen Global Menu does 
> give more real estate, though it suck on anything but netbooks.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

[Michael Rawson]

Question-probably naive, but anyway- why don't we keep an 'old kernel' package 
for those with older CPUs?

I don't see that it would need maintenance-that's just what it is-dead weight 
for those who need really old machnes to work. 

Tell me if I'm wrong. But I vote to ditch PAE with th default kernel. Maybe 
have two kernels in the defult iso and some hardware detection in the installer 
to install the right kernel? (IDK if that's possible)
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 22:15:52 -0800
Jonathan Marsden  wrote:

> On 11/18/2011 11:50 AM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset wrote:
> 
> > Last year they dropped support for a lot of machines, now they will
> > drop for a lot more?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "A lot"?  How did you determine this, and can you let us know the
> numeric upper and lower bounds of "a lot" in the second phrase of this
> description? :)
> 
> Jonathan
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

[Michael Rawson]

If I understand right, this will only affect those on said machines IF they 
have ~4GB RAM. Which is unlikely, considering they have Pentium IIs. 

But I agree, we should keep the old kernels for a bit longer. But then we throw 
a dilemma, where we don't get new kernels. Unless you want a kernel developer 
for Lubuntu.

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:39:02 +0100
神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna)  wrote:

> But there're Lubuntu users on Pentium II and similar machines. In fact
> they're happy an OS can handle those "trashy" computers and make them
> useable.
> 
> Will this affect those users?
> 
> 
> 
>  <http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com/>  <http://www.lubuntu.net/>
> 
> 
> 
> 2011/11/18 Julien Lavergne 
> 
> > I forgot to forward this mail from ubuntu-devel, it may have an impact on
> > Lubuntu since we shared the same kernel.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Julien Lavergne
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:43:28 -0700
> > From: Tim Gardner 
> > To: Ubuntu Kernel Team ,
> > ubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise
> > Pangolin
> >
> >
> > Per discussion at UDS the kernel team is proposing to drop the non-PAE
> > i386 flavour. The upgrade path for non-PAE users will be the PAE kernel.
> > Those CPUs that do not have i686 and PAE support will be orphaned. To
> > the best of my knowledge, these include Intel CPUs prior to Pentium II,
> > 400Mhz Pentium M, VIA C3, and Geode LX. As far as I know, there are no
> > laptop or desktop class CPUs being produced that do not meet these
> > minimum requirements.
> >
> > Before I do something that is difficult to revert, I would like to hear
> > from the development community why we should continue to maintain a
> > kernel flavour that is (in my opinion) getting increasingly low
> > utilization. It is my feeling that an extremely high percentage of users
> > of the non-PAE kernel have a CPU that is PAE capable.
> >
> > If there is sufficient community demand (and support), I would be
> > willing to sponsor the first non-PAE kernel upload to Universe.
> >
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Specs/PreciseKernelConfigReview
> >
> > We'll be conducting a similar survey for powerpc.
> >
> > rtg
> >
> > P.S. For those of you that are totally confused by this email, PAE
> > (Physical Address Extension) was an addition to 32 bit x86 CPUs that
> > allowed them to address more then 4GB physical memory.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Some considerations about the Precise theme

[Michael Rawson]

Besides, green would look like Mint LXDE. I think black is a good thing, but 
that's me.

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:28:33 +0100
神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna)  wrote:

> You're right. Dark themes are battery savers, but if they're too dark it
> cause fuzzy eyes. Too much light cause eye fatigue. That's why the Oneiric
> wall is not as light as older ones, but still "light blue".
> 
> And there're lots of reasons to be blue. First is corporative. Second is
> usability and eye-friendly (and allows hours and hours of fun :D ).
> 
> You can check this:
> http://books.google.com/books/about/Art_and_visual_perception.html?id=9RktoatXGQ0C
> 
> if you want more reasons about what I'm doing for every pixel I design.
> It's not just aesthetics. Design means usability. That's why I like window
> and menu shadows, they improve visibility and gives attention to the first
> plane on screen.
> 
> I know, I know, it's boring. But look, Suse is green. I think it's a
> mistake associate green (as leaf or nature colour) with energy efficiency.
> You can make black thing and keep efficient. Also, PUD Linux and Vector are
> green now. Even some people asked me about including yellow wallpapers
> because it's "warm".
> 
> You know it cannot fit for everybody. So going more neutral this time, as
> neutral as you'll can use any wallpaper and still looking good with
> unsaturated (gray) panels and windows.
> 
> 
> 
>  <http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com/>  <http://www.lubuntu.net/>
> 
> 
> 
> 2011/11/18 Josh Embrey 
> 
> > In regards to going lighter with Lubuntu, we must remember our key targets
> > and goal.  I switched my GTK and Openbox themes to dark themes and it added
> > another 40 minutes to my netbook's battery when on full brightness, over an
> > hour with minimal brightness.  I took every step to ensure that it was just
> > the colors changing that changed the battery life.  Being LXDE aims at
> > having a minimal footprint, using dark themes helps minimize power
> > consumption, continuing with the goal.
> >
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lsc Port to Vala

[Michael Rawson]

So you're converting from python to vala? All for it, I'm happy to test it. 
might improve the speed of things, too... If I understand vala correctly?

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 21:23:16 +0100
Stephen Smally  wrote:

> This message is target for the Lubuntu Software Center Team!
> 
> Hi, i have started the port from Python to Vala, the branch is 
> lp:~lubuntu-software-center-team/lubuntu-software-center/vala-port, so 
> the ppa use the Python version (the package is not broken), there is a 
> README inside, let me know if something is not clear.
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] logo

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I agree. While 11.10 was a big step over 11.04, 12.04 just needs some polish 
and it could be a really big "seller".

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 21:03:38 +0100
Chris  wrote:

> Aloha b,
> 
> First of all, it's not a newsletter, it's a mailing-list. It's not only a
> place for announcing the newest version of Lubuntu, it's a place for
> discussion.
> 
> Secondly I agree with Raphael that the theme should be nigh prefect and
> consistent everywhere. That is one selling point of a distribution.
> 
> With metta, Chris
> On Nov 17, 2011 8:54 PM, "b g"  wrote:
> 
> > This newsletter has become full of things that are minor or even
> > inconsequential to most of us.
> >
> > 2011/11/17 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) 
> >
> >> **
> >> Of course I'm serious. My priorities, right now, are achieving a perfect
> >> integration with Ubuntu in almost all aspects of Lubuntu identity,
> >> including brand marks, colour specs, design lines, advertising (if any),
> >> social networks presence, etc. Also, a good entrance, such as a good
> >> website is, could do the downloading process more easy for end-users. In
> >> case of Lubuntu Team, that's not me, is Canonical who adverted that we must
> >> be close to them (you can check the design LInes published at
> >> design.canonical.com).
> >>
> >> All of this makes TOO a good distro, not only the code. And I must be
> >> clear about I'm not deprecating the coder's work, but you must admit that
> >> design is always the last everybody think in for everything, and that's a
> >> big mistake. Ok, an icon is a tiny thing, but I'm trying to make the
> >> Lubuntu image rock solid and homogeneous for three years, with not too much
> >> success, I must to say.
> >>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Weekly meetings - Finding the right time

[Michael Rawson]

Providing it's okay with everyone else, 8PM is ideal.


On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:23:47 +0100
Chris  wrote:

> Aloha Ali,
> 
> Seeing the Fridge [1] or better put it's calender [2] already has it's 7 PM
> UTC slot filled did Julian suggest to take the 8 PM UTC (or GMT) slot. That
> would make it 12AM for you Ali.
> By the way, my vote is also for wednesday.
> 
> With metta, Chris
> 
> [1] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/
> [2] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/fridge/
> 
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 15:20, amjjawad HOOHAA  wrote:
> 
> >  I propose to begin with this schedule : Wednesday, 7:00 PM UTC, starting
> >> on the 23th.
> >>
> >
> > If that's 7:00pm GMT time, it means it's 11:00pm my time. My time is +4
> > GMT. If that's the case, I'm ok with that. I don't care about the day, all
> > are the same to me, just the time what is important.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Julien Lavergne wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> One thing I would like to organize for this cycle, is a weekly meeting on
> >> IRC, to discuss topics more easily and to take decisions when it's needed.
> >>
> >> I think we have enough topics to start on a weekly base, but we can do it
> >> less often in the future, if it's not necessary.
> >>
> >> Finding a time for this is ... not very easy :) I don't want to do it
> >> during the week-end, to be all able to have a week-end far from IT and
> >> Internet connection :)
> >>
> >> I also don't think we should change the time for every meetings, because
> >> it's the best solution to forget the meeting. But, we can change it after
> >> some time (like 3 months).
> >>
> >> I propose to begin with this schedule : Wednesday, 7:00 PM UTC, starting
> >> on the 23th.
> >>
> >> It'll not be necessary to attempt all the meetings. You can attempt when
> >> you have subjects to discuss, but you can also adding a subject to the
> >> schedule, so people can discuss it even if you can't be online at this 
> >> time.
> >>
> >> Let me know what you think about this.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Julien Lavergne
> >>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] lxde.org down again?

[Michael Rawson]

On 14/11/11 14:43, Ian Gilfillan wrote:

It's down for everyone. You can always check it's not just you at:
http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/lxde.org

On 14/11/2011 16:23, Michael Rawson wrote:
Am I being stupid, and haven't noticed, or is lxde.org down again? 
Using chrome from the UK, broadband connection from BT.




I kinda meant if somebody had reported it before-I knew it was down and 
then it was up again, but I thought might have missed someone saying 
about it. Thank you, though.


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[Lubuntu-desktop] lxde.org down again?

[Michael Rawson]

Am I being stupid, and haven't noticed, or is lxde.org down again? Using 
chrome from the UK, broadband connection from BT.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

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s to remain the Ubuntu default browser. Since Lubuntu has
> >> > different constraints in choosing default apps, I'll let Julien and
> >> > the Lubuntu devs make their own evaluation. Both browsers are fully
> >> > supported in Ubuntu (Canonical is looking to hire someone who can help
> >> > maintain Chromium).
> >>
> >> I really don't think that if Lubuntu would ship Chromium instead of
> >> Firefox it will hurt Mozilla soo much that they have to fear their
> >> existens.
> >> And to be clear here, if we would to have choose a non free vs. a free
> >> software then I would also argue its definitely better to promote the
> >> free software. But in our case we have to made a choice between two free
> >> software products.
> >>
> >>
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Kubuntu does that with firefox. It's an option, but it seems a little tacky. 
with all due respect. :)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[Michael Rawson]

On 09/11/11 16:34, amjjawad HOOHAA wrote:


Let's not start a war here... I don't want to be rude, but please
keep such personal opinions out of this discussion.I think we can
all agree that both Firefox and Chromium are rich in features.
We are simply trying to find out which browser, out of Firefox and
Chromium, use the least resources.
We want to chose the lightest of the two to be our out-of-the-box
web browser, whatever users prefer to use after that is simply an
apt-get away.
*Let's not think in terms of "This is what I would prefer" but
rather "This is what a user on a low spec machine would prefer".*


Could NOT agree more :)
Well said!

I second this:

*Let's not think in terms of "This is what I would prefer" but
rather "This is what a user on a low spec machine would prefer".*


On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 6:55 PM, A. Andjelkovic > wrote:


Let's not start a war here... I don't want to be rude, but please
keep such personal opinions out of this discussion.
I think we can all agree that both Firefox and Chromium are rich
in features.
We are simply trying to find out which browser, out of Firefox and
Chromium, use the least resources.
We want to chose the lightest of the two to be our out-of-the-box
web browser, whatever users prefer to use after that is simply an
apt-get away.
Let's not think in terms of "This is what I would prefer" but
rather "This is what a user on a low spec machine would prefer".

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Jeremy Bicha mailto:jbi...@ubuntu.com>> wrote:

On 9 November 2011 06:03, Leszek Lesner mailto:leszek.les...@web.de>> wrote:

> In my view Chromium offers still better features than
firefox. Just look
> at the HTML5 capabilities it just beats firefox here with in
my view
> important things just like HTML5 videoplayback (H264 is
supported)

Google is dropping H264 support:
http://blog.chromium.org/2011/01/html-video-codec-support-in-chrome.html

> or the fact that every browser tab in chromium is running as
a different
> process in a sandbox which makes a crash of one tab not
concerning for
> other tabs.

Firefox might do that in the future also, but it costs memory to
sandbox each browser tab. And I believe Chromium cheats: when
available memory gets too low, tabs begin sharing the same
process so
it's a bit harder to know what's really going on.

> All in all I am in flavor of Chromium as its still faster
and offers the
> better features.

That's a bit subjective as Firefox also offers unique
features: It's
possible to run a few hundred tabs in Firefox; the design of
Chromium's tabbar makes that much more painful in Chromium.
Firefox
has a much more powerful addon framework (although Chromium may
improve this next year). The user has more control over his
data with
Firefox Sync than with Google's version.

While I'm not a Google-hater, I think it's very important for
the free
web that Mozilla continues to exist. Since Mozilla is a bit
more open
than Chromium and multiple steps more open than Android, I
think open
source fans should consider supporting Firefox if the features are
nearly equal, which in my opinion they are. This is why I hope
Firefox
continues to remain the Ubuntu default browser. Since Lubuntu has
different constraints in choosing default apps, I'll let
Julien and
the Lubuntu devs make their own evaluation. Both browsers are
fully
supported in Ubuntu (Canonical is looking to hire someone who
can help
maintain Chromium).

Jeremy

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[Michael Rawson]

On 09/11/11 16:30, b g wrote:
This all sounds like personal preference and subjective arguments to 
me.  After all, users can install whatever browser they desire.


Personally, I wish Lubuntu would boot as fast as it used to.

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 8:55 AM, A. Andjelkovic > wrote:


Let's not start a war here... I don't want to be rude, but please
keep such personal opinions out of this discussion.
I think we can all agree that both Firefox and Chromium are rich
in features.
We are simply trying to find out which browser, out of Firefox and
Chromium, use the least resources.
We want to chose the lightest of the two to be our out-of-the-box
web browser, whatever users prefer to use after that is simply an
apt-get away.
Let's not think in terms of "This is what I would prefer" but
rather "This is what a user on a low spec machine would prefer".

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Jeremy Bicha mailto:jbi...@ubuntu.com>> wrote:

On 9 November 2011 06:03, Leszek Lesner mailto:leszek.les...@web.de>> wrote:

> In my view Chromium offers still better features than
firefox. Just look
> at the HTML5 capabilities it just beats firefox here with in
my view
> important things just like HTML5 videoplayback (H264 is
supported)

Google is dropping H264 support:
http://blog.chromium.org/2011/01/html-video-codec-support-in-chrome.html

> or the fact that every browser tab in chromium is running as
a different
> process in a sandbox which makes a crash of one tab not
concerning for
> other tabs.

Firefox might do that in the future also, but it costs memory to
sandbox each browser tab. And I believe Chromium cheats: when
available memory gets too low, tabs begin sharing the same
process so
it's a bit harder to know what's really going on.

> All in all I am in flavor of Chromium as its still faster
and offers the
> better features.

That's a bit subjective as Firefox also offers unique
features: It's
possible to run a few hundred tabs in Firefox; the design of
Chromium's tabbar makes that much more painful in Chromium.
Firefox
has a much more powerful addon framework (although Chromium may
improve this next year). The user has more control over his
data with
Firefox Sync than with Google's version.

While I'm not a Google-hater, I think it's very important for
the free
web that Mozilla continues to exist. Since Mozilla is a bit
more open
than Chromium and multiple steps more open than Android, I
think open
source fans should consider supporting Firefox if the features are
nearly equal, which in my opinion they are. This is why I hope
Firefox
continues to remain the Ubuntu default browser. Since Lubuntu has
different constraints in choosing default apps, I'll let
Julien and
the Lubuntu devs make their own evaluation. Both browsers are
fully
supported in Ubuntu (Canonical is looking to hire someone who
can help
maintain Chromium).

Jeremy

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu - One Stop Thread

[Michael Rawson]

A suggestion; (although you may or may not think it's acceptable-as mentioned, 
your baby, I respect.)
Perhaps you could leave the thread as-is and any helpful post/articles could be 
incorproted into the wiki? I see this as a good way to generate loads of wiki 
pages at relatively little effort and/or inspiration.

And it's a brilliant idea, the LOST. :) 

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Help Needed

[Michael Rawson]

On Thu, 3 Nov 2011 01:16:01 +0400
Ali Linx  wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
> 
> A user has a problem and he posted on Ubuntu Forum but got no solution so
> he posted on LXDE Forum seeking for help:
> 
> http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=31421
> 
> I don't know anything about what he's asking so hope someone could help him.
> 
> If you don't have an account on the forum, never mind, I can post your
> answer to him. I have already asked him to join the mailing list or login
> to IRC channel.
> 
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I ave posted, although I haven't tested my answer-testing now.

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[Lubuntu-desktop] user experience imporvements

[Michael Rawson]

Sounds v.good. I hope to be seeing them soon. :)
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[Lubuntu-desktop] New member, Michael Rawson

[Michael Rawson]

Hi guys!

I'm a new member, recruited by amjjawad (you probably know him!).

Just like to say hello, and what a great new interface you have. (hey, 
graphic designers, good job there!)


Wiki page with contact details and things here: 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MichaelRawson. Hope to help shortly, I have 
modest coding and packaging skills and like writing documentation.





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Sent from a linux laptop!


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