Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LSC and Dependencies Talk
ACTION WIKI: find a page on the wiki about installing software not aimed at a certain DE. E.g. installing ktouch inside Lubuntu, hopefully with system impact. If that page doesn't exists create one. Please reply if there isn't a page on the wiki before creating a new page. This is to keep me up-to-date. Honestly, I did not search yet but I have made this guide few months ago and I think it will be handy and helpful in case there is no page on the Wiki. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1880394 Sorry, forgot to mention that earlier :) On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Chris cyber.dr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, Firstly the discussion at hand: the MAIN reason why LSC was created is because USC is VERY heavyweight. While still having a similar simplified interface for installing software, it boots a lot faster. Secondly is Synaptic not the most intuitive way to install software. Showing a lot of technical (libs etc) between some of the packages you might want to install, LSC solves this by only showing the packages one would want to install and with a preview readily available. So it's not a means to only show packages designed for Lubuntu afaik. Thirdly this is a mainly a discussion in how LSC *could* or *should* preform, not about the wiki. When you guys have made a decision on what should be put on the wiki, please cc the wiki list. I could have the wiki group make a page about installing software in Lubuntu, referring to packages that depend on libs not included by default and what the impact could be, but their might already be a page about that on the main wiki which we could refer to. ACTION WIKI: find a page on the wiki about installing software not aimed at a certain DE. E.g. installing ktouch inside Lubuntu, hopefully with system impact. If that page doesn't exists create one. Please reply if there isn't a page on the wiki before creating a new page. This is to keep me up-to-date. With metta, Chris P.S.: Ali, you used the old lubuntu list, which will be deprecated shortly. I've cc'd the new list. On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:36, PCMan pcman...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:49 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.comwrote: Hi everyone, Before I reply to this post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11613963postcount=252 I thought it's better to start such a discussion over here so that I understand better and we make it clear to everyone what is really going on. As far as I have learned so far and I could be wrong, the Dependencies Talk on a Low Resources System where usually Lubuntu is installed, is more about Space Issue than Loaded Files on RAM issue. I don't have a document or something that confirm that but I do know for sure that as long as nothing will be loaded in RAM, the performance won't be affected. I've come across MANY questions from users like: This app has lots of dependencies, can I install it on Lubuntu? will that slow my system down?? For me, I can easily reply that post saying: It's more about space issues than memory consuming issue + if you want, you can use the terminal for Synaptic. This is not necessarily true. Almost always, we add dependencies because the program needs them at runtime. Most of time, these deps, especially the libraries, will be loaded at runtime as well. The most important issue is how much RAM is needed by programs constantly running throughout the whole desktop session. (web browser, panel, file manager, desktop manager, session manager, other dbus services...) ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Best Regards, *amjjawad* Lubuntu One Stop Thread (Mega Thread)http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1844755 My Wiki Page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad | My Launchpadhttps://launchpad.net/%7Eamjjawad | My Ubuntu Forum Profile http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=941822 *My Actions Speak Louder Than My Words ||** ** I walk by faith, not by sight **|| Imagination is more important than Knowledge || **Keep It Simple and Short* ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LSC and Dependencies Talk
Hello everyone, Firstly the discussion at hand: the MAIN reason why LSC was created is because USC is VERY heavyweight. While still having a similar simplified interface for installing software, it boots a lot faster. Secondly is Synaptic not the most intuitive way to install software. Showing a lot of technical (libs etc) between some of the packages you might want to install, LSC solves this by only showing the packages one would want to install and with a preview readily available. So it's not a means to only show packages designed for Lubuntu afaik. Thirdly this is a mainly a discussion in how LSC *could* or *should* preform, not about the wiki. When you guys have made a decision on what should be put on the wiki, please cc the wiki list. I could have the wiki group make a page about installing software in Lubuntu, referring to packages that depend on libs not included by default and what the impact could be, but their might already be a page about that on the main wiki which we could refer to. ACTION WIKI: find a page on the wiki about installing software not aimed at a certain DE. E.g. installing ktouch inside Lubuntu, hopefully with system impact. If that page doesn't exists create one. Please reply if there isn't a page on the wiki before creating a new page. This is to keep me up-to-date. With metta, Chris P.S.: Ali, you used the old lubuntu list, which will be deprecated shortly. I've cc'd the new list. On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:36, PCMan pcman...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:49 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.comwrote: Hi everyone, Before I reply to this post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11613963postcount=252 I thought it's better to start such a discussion over here so that I understand better and we make it clear to everyone what is really going on. As far as I have learned so far and I could be wrong, the Dependencies Talk on a Low Resources System where usually Lubuntu is installed, is more about Space Issue than Loaded Files on RAM issue. I don't have a document or something that confirm that but I do know for sure that as long as nothing will be loaded in RAM, the performance won't be affected. I've come across MANY questions from users like: This app has lots of dependencies, can I install it on Lubuntu? will that slow my system down?? For me, I can easily reply that post saying: It's more about space issues than memory consuming issue + if you want, you can use the terminal for Synaptic. This is not necessarily true. Almost always, we add dependencies because the program needs them at runtime. Most of time, these deps, especially the libraries, will be loaded at runtime as well. The most important issue is how much RAM is needed by programs constantly running throughout the whole desktop session. (web browser, panel, file manager, desktop manager, session manager, other dbus services...) ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] LSC and Dependencies Talk
Hi everyone, Before I reply to this post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11613963postcount=252 I thought it's better to start such a discussion over here so that I understand better and we make it clear to everyone what is really going on. As far as I have learned so far and I could be wrong, the Dependencies Talk on a Low Resources System where usually Lubuntu is installed, is more about Space Issue than Loaded Files on RAM issue. I don't have a document or something that confirm that but I do know for sure that as long as nothing will be loaded in RAM, the performance won't be affected. I've come across MANY questions from users like: This app has lots of dependencies, can I install it on Lubuntu? will that slow my system down?? For me, I can easily reply that post saying: It's more about space issues than memory consuming issue + if you want, you can use the terminal for Synaptic. @Stefano What do you think about specially the bold statement: It would be nice if the Lubuntu software centre let the user know which packages were also going to be installed, and also if somehow *it could tell the user if the package isn't really designed to go with Lubuntu*. @Wiki and Doc Team I think we need to highlight this issue because many are wondering and asking the same Q over and over again. Thank you! P.S. If this email is not clear, please let me know :) Best Regards, *amjjawad* Lubuntu One Stop Thread (Mega Thread)http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1844755 My Wiki Page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad | My Launchpadhttps://launchpad.net/%7Eamjjawad | My Ubuntu Forum Profile http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=941822 *My Actions Speak Louder Than My Words ||** ** I walk by faith, not by sight **|| Imagination is more important than Knowledge || **Keep It Simple and Short* ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
