Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] wiki

[Rafael Laguna]

That's nice, Jared, make him preasure! :D  Maybe these boys are as busy as
we're. Thanks for your votes. I'm counting... but with no utility, because
we already know when will the decision be.

Anyway, I'm pleased.

PS. Julien, I have no time right now, but yes, I'll try todo something with
the xscreensaver. But I think that we need to patch, and that's sooo hard,
and not really neede such level of customization (I'll change the logo).

Cheers!


   
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] wiki

[Jared Norris]

2011/6/22 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) 

> First of all, my apologies for sending (again) for a nerd reason, Harry
> Potter silly things. Contact cards repaired.
>
> Ok, does anybody has problems accessing the Ubuntu wiki? It seems like
> there's no link between OpenID and Ubuntu. Anyway, I'm doing some
> experiments with a new wallpaper. You can check it out right here:
>
> http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com/2011/06/refreshing-desktop-mockup.html
>
> Please, feedback.
>
> PS. Sorry, again. I'm ashamed.
>
>
The wiki is in a state of upgrade, they appear to have load issues on the
login side of things but it's definitely still being looked at. It seems to
work fine sometimes and other times be a bit slow. I've noticed some 502
proxy errors when logging in. Fortunately the person responsible for the
upgrades is in my LoCo so I get to pester them with constant updates on how
it's going and they in return try to fix it.

The backgrounds look great by the way, you always produce quality work!


Regards,

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] wiki

[Julien Lavergne]

Le Wednesday 22 June 2011 à 18:51 +0200, Filip Dominec a écrit :
> 1) The most problematic may be the ugly xscreensaver login screen,
> noted here:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/799525
Last time I tried to customize this GUI, I didn't succeed [1], the
configuration file that should modify it doesn't work properly. If you
want, feel free to try :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

[1] :
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop/+junk/lubuntu-default-settings/revision/117


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] wiki

[Julien Lavergne]

Le Wednesday 22 June 2011 à 15:17 +0200, 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) a
écrit :
> 
> http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com/2011/06/refreshing-desktop-mockup.html
> 
+1 :)



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] wiki

[(Rafael Laguna)]

Ok, by parts.


1. I'll study the possibilities of customizing xscreensaver. If we can
do more Lubuntu-ish that will be great.

2. Yes, Fedora used to include some "sparkling soda" wallpapers in older
distributions, I think the character was more comic-like drawing (bold
style). Obviously I'm working on variations, this one was only a
finished mockup (not the first one, just the finished). Maybe another
one will change in colour or even in shape. But anyway, I don't think
they're the same. Maybe I'm wrong.

3. I can sure my Empathy (not included in Lubuntu, BTW) and Evince looks
Like the theme specified in LXAppearance. In my computer and in other
ones I've checked. If you're talking about the Empathy themes itslef
it's not the same (the GUI in Evince is the minimum expression of a
Glade interface, it's a simple GTK app, it must obey the daemon).

4. I don't know why KDE apps aren't smoothing fonts (possibly fixed with
qt4-qtconfig package), but Java apps may need to execute this: export
_JAVA_OPTIONS='-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=lcd'

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] wiki

[Filip Dominec]

The wallpaper looks good, but note the similarity to the older
'Bubbles' theme of Fedora, e. g.
http://kourge.deviantart.com/art/Fedora-Bubble-wallpaper-1280-37855649.

Anyway I think now it is time to start polishing the Lubuntu's GUI. 
1) The most problematic may be the ugly xscreensaver login screen, noted here:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/799525
2) Secondly, some applications (Empathy, Evince...) have the default
simple GTK skin, whereas other (Sylpheed, Inkscape...) look nice using
the clearlooks skin. Where is the difference? This should be addressed, too. 
3) Thirdly, KDE and Java applications have no font antialiasing at all.
Filip Dominec 

On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:43:10 -0400
Tim Bernhard  wrote:

> very nice wallpaper
> 
> 2011/6/22 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) 
> 
> > First of all, my apologies for sending (again) for a nerd reason, Harry
> > Potter silly things. Contact cards repaired.
> >
> > Ok, does anybody has problems accessing the Ubuntu wiki? It seems like
> > there's no link between OpenID and Ubuntu. Anyway, I'm doing some
> > experiments with a new wallpaper. You can check it out right here:
> >
> > http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com/2011/06/refreshing-desktop-mockup.html
> >
> > Please, feedback.
> >
> > PS. Sorry, again. I'm ashamed.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] wiki

[Tim Bernhard]

very nice wallpaper

2011/6/22 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) 

> First of all, my apologies for sending (again) for a nerd reason, Harry
> Potter silly things. Contact cards repaired.
>
> Ok, does anybody has problems accessing the Ubuntu wiki? It seems like
> there's no link between OpenID and Ubuntu. Anyway, I'm doing some
> experiments with a new wallpaper. You can check it out right here:
>
> http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com/2011/06/refreshing-desktop-mockup.html
>
> Please, feedback.
>
> PS. Sorry, again. I'm ashamed.
>
>
>
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[Lubuntu-desktop] wiki

[Rafael Laguna]

First of all, my apologies for sending (again) for a nerd reason, Harry
Potter silly things. Contact cards repaired.

Ok, does anybody has problems accessing the Ubuntu wiki? It seems like
there's no link between OpenID and Ubuntu. Anyway, I'm doing some
experiments with a new wallpaper. You can check it out right here:

http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com/2011/06/refreshing-desktop-mockup.html

Please, feedback.

PS. Sorry, again. I'm ashamed.



  
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] wiki pages

[Phill Whiteside]

Hiyas everyone,

After a rather marathon session jmarsden with some commenting in our chat he
has pretty much proof read everything. Please do take a little time to check
it, as we were both getting tired.

@JasonO ensure you have plenty of magazines / comic books tucked into your
trousers for when you get the cane! I will forward you the log once I have
finally gotten to my alcove. I'm sure it will assist you in your goal of
learning more about admin / wiki / documentation.

Regards,

Phill.

On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 3:07 AM, Phill Whiteside  wrote:

> Hiyas everyone,
>
> all the reports point to an excellent 11.04, congratulations everyone!
>
> As some of you are aware I've been helping several teams, whilst I had a
> decent 'bank' of admins this was never a problem, but a few have fallen off
> due to Real Life issues. Hearing last night that a 2nd team had also lost
> their Team Leader for about 3 months has really put my already depelted
> admin gang under even greater pressure. I humbly apologise that I have been
> 'fire-fighting' instead of being more pro-active with lubuntu. Lubuntu is my
> home, but S.O.S. calls are those which I cannot refuse.
>
> Any way, with the usual help of the excellent people on Lubuntu, the 11.04
> is safely on my server area and I have spent several hours updating the
> official wiki area. But my eyes are now tired, so would a few willing
> volunteers go and check what mistakes I have made. It is over at
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu Simply take your time and ensure
> things like the checksums for md5's are correct on explanations, they blur
> on me when I am trying to transfer over from the old doc area the full help
> files onto our 'official' area. I have 2 weeks holiday from next Thursday,
> so any things that need doing that you excellent people can not do, please
> just email me and I will get them done.
>
> My kindest regards,
>
> Phill.
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[Lubuntu-desktop] wiki pages

[Phill Whiteside]

Hiyas everyone,

all the reports point to an excellent 11.04, congratulations everyone!

As some of you are aware I've been helping several teams, whilst I had a
decent 'bank' of admins this was never a problem, but a few have fallen off
due to Real Life issues. Hearing last night that a 2nd team had also lost
their Team Leader for about 3 months has really put my already depelted
admin gang under even greater pressure. I humbly apologise that I have been
'fire-fighting' instead of being more pro-active with lubuntu. Lubuntu is my
home, but S.O.S. calls are those which I cannot refuse.

Any way, with the usual help of the excellent people on Lubuntu, the 11.04
is safely on my server area and I have spent several hours updating the
official wiki area. But my eyes are now tired, so would a few willing
volunteers go and check what mistakes I have made. It is over at
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu Simply take your time and ensure
things like the checksums for md5's are correct on explanations, they blur
on me when I am trying to transfer over from the old doc area the full help
files onto our 'official' area. I have 2 weeks holiday from next Thursday,
so any things that need doing that you excellent people can not do, please
just email me and I will get them done.

My kindest regards,

Phill.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] wiki artwork reordered

[Julien Lavergne]

On Sun, 30 Jan 2011 18:26:02 +0100
神癒礁湖 "(Rafael Laguna)"  wrote:

> Do you mean that Murrine is resource hungry? I don't think so, Aurora or
> Equinox are, not Murrine (and I promise that Andrea doesn't pay to
> me :) ).  The only way to be sure is uploading the last package and
> testing by yourself. I have this installed as a hybrid 10.10 / 11.04
> distro (packages from here and there) with Ozone over Murrine and it
> runs as fast as last theme.
> 
> So, what's next?

Next is to do this testing package :)
I didn't say it's ressource hungry, I said we need to test it to be sure it's 
not ;)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] wiki artwork reordered

[(Rafael Laguna)]

Do you mean that Murrine is resource hungry? I don't think so, Aurora or
Equinox are, not Murrine (and I promise that Andrea doesn't pay to
me :) ).  The only way to be sure is uploading the last package and
testing by yourself. I have this installed as a hybrid 10.10 / 11.04
distro (packages from here and there) with Ozone over Murrine and it
runs as fast as last theme.

So, what's next?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] wiki artwork reordered

[Julien Lavergne]

2011/1/30 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) 

>  I'm afraid not. When you define a widget you are telling first which
> engine will draw it, and then specify its design. So, putting two
> definitions of one widget will cause that GTK will use the last one in the
> gtkrc file.
>
> Do you think that include Murrine in the distro is a problem? Look at
> Elementary or Ambiance / Radiance. They are heavily based on Murrine and
> they're fast, because using the Cairo lib (everything is vectorial). I think
> the Murrine package is small (90 kb, Clearlooks is about 45 kb, both
> compressed, after decompression they will grow up to 300 kb).
>
> So, I can't imitate the widget style from Murrine using Clearlooks. In fact
> is impossible, because Andrea Cimitan designed it looking for a full set of
> eyecandy on the widgets (while keeping the speed, of course).
>
> If you think that's impossible to apply Ozone to Lubuntu, please, tell me
> before spending several days [image: :)] and we'll look for another
> solution.
>
> Sorry for this inconvenience.
>
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>

I'm more afraid about the runtime need of this engine. I'll try to make a
package so people will be able to test it in real. There is also the
possibility to ship it as an alternative, or to ship it by default with the
old theme if people want to keep the old one. Don't worry, it's not a waste
of time :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] wiki artwork reordered

[(Rafael Laguna)]

I'm afraid not. When you define a widget you are telling first which
engine will draw it, and then specify its design. So, putting two
definitions of one widget will cause that GTK will use the last one in
the gtkrc file.

Do you think that include Murrine in the distro is a problem? Look at
Elementary or Ambiance / Radiance. They are heavily based on Murrine and
they're fast, because using the Cairo lib (everything is vectorial). I
think the Murrine package is small (90 kb, Clearlooks is about 45 kb,
both compressed, after decompression they will grow up to 300 kb).

So, I can't imitate the widget style from Murrine using Clearlooks. In
fact is impossible, because Andrea Cimitan designed it looking for a
full set of eyecandy on the widgets (while keeping the speed, of
course).

If you think that's impossible to apply Ozone to Lubuntu, please, tell
me before spending several days :) and we'll look for another solution.

Sorry for this inconvenience.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] wiki artwork reordered

[Julien Lavergne]

2011/1/29 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) 
>
>
> Theme related
>
>  With the indications from Simon Steinbeiß, Ozone is now Equinox free and
> incredibly fast. I've reduced even more the file structure and its
> dependencies on other files, so it's easily installable. Please, check it
> out and comment. I appreciate it, and final users too [image: :)]
>
> Thanks :)

I tested it on a natty virtual box, and the result of the panel theme is
just beautiful :)
For the gtk theme, there is still a depends on murrine engine. If you remove
the murine engine, many applications lost their theme. I must admit that the
result with murrine installed is very nice, but I would like to avoid the
installation of another gtk engine.

Is it possible to keep the murrine settings, and to fallback to another
settings using another engine if murrine is not installed ? I'm not a gtk
theme expert, so what is possible to do :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] wiki artwork reordered

[Phill Whiteside]

Excellent work both of you. I had a feeling you'd get on well. As for
reordering wiki pages, feel free to do so at any time (saves me a job).

Regards,

Phill.

2011/1/29 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) 

>  Just two little things, crew:
>
> Wiki related
>
>  According to prior structures of our wiki, the proposals (only Ozone) of
> incoming artwork for Lubuntu has been reordered.
>
> - now you can access to the geenral artwork here:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork
> - the proposals for Natty are here:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork/Incoming/Natty/
> - and so, Ozone is now here:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork/Incoming/Natty/Ozone
>
> Sorry for this disturbing action, but I think we must be clear and logical.
>
>
> Theme related
>
>  With the indications from Simon Steinbeiß, Ozone is now Equinox free and
> incredibly fast. I've reduced even more the file structure and its
> dependencies on other files, so it's easily installable. Please, check it
> out and comment. I appreciate it, and final users too [image: :)]
>
>
> Cheers!
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[Lubuntu-desktop] wiki artwork reordered

[(Rafael Laguna)]

Just two little things, crew:

Wiki related


According to prior structures of our wiki, the proposals (only
Ozone) of incoming artwork for Lubuntu has been reordered.

- now you can access to the geenral artwork here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork 
- the proposals for Natty are here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork/Incoming/Natty/ 
- and so, Ozone is now here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork/Incoming/Natty/Ozone

Sorry for this disturbing action, but I think we must be clear
and logical.


Theme related


With the indications from Simon Steinbeiß, Ozone is now Equinox
free and incredibly fast. I've reduced even more the file
structure and its dependencies on other files, so it's easily
installable. Please, check it out and comment. I appreciate it,
and final users too :)


Cheers!

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] wiki pages

[Zach Kriesse]

On 12/22/2010 8:47 AM, Phill Whiteside wrote:

Zach,

you are an absolute star. I had set some time aside after the New Year 
to do the transfers.


Many, many thanks.

Phill.

-

Hiyas Lubuntueers,

can you go and proof read all of 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation and let us 
know if there are any bits not working. Then we can set up the auto 
divert from the old area and 'comply' with the documentation rules for 
help pages.


Regards,

Phill.

On 22 December 2010 11:27, Jared Norris > wrote:


On 3 December 2010 16:30, Phill Whiteside mailto:phi...@ubuntu.com>> wrote:
> Hiyas, as you move pages over can you put on the old / new link
on to this
> email as it will save us moving the same page twice.
>
> Jarred has already moved over and reformatted
>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/AlternateInstall
> from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Alternate
Install
>
> That is our template, we have to go back and alter the internal
links when
> we've got everything moved over. Once that is done we have the
extra task of
> setting up the redirects from the exisiting wiki area. So, not a
big job
> then :P The reason I've been quiet on this is that I wanted absolute
> assurance that we were not having to do it twice. As Charles
(cproffit)
> approved the header page and indeed made the header for it, and
Connor has
> approved the 1st page that Jarred transferred over; we've been a
green light
> to get on with it.
>
> Thanks guys.
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>

I have just had a quick look over it all and from what I can tell Zach
has done a great job. I had a couple of links I fixed up (which I
think I originally changed incorrectly) and I have fixed up the
"Contact Us" link in the header so it points to the wiki contact us. I
did look into making a separate help.ubuntu contact us page but then
the sublinks and things got a bit messy.

Please double and triple check it all and great work Zach.

Regards,

Jared Norris
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris


I'll certainly look it all over just one more time Jared, and thanks for 
the compliment Phill, you know it's not needed. It is my pleasure to 
work with you guys and I'm honored by the way you do things. Let's 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] wiki pages

[Yorvyk]

On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 20:10:45 +
Andrew Woodhead  wrote:
 
> 
> On Thursday, December 23, 2010, Yorvyk  wrote:
> > I’ll have a go at writing a 'Remove old kernels using Synaptic' page over 
> > Christmas.  Wouldn’t it be nice if there was a setting in Synaptic where 
> > you could specify the No of kernels you wished to keep :)
> >

> Suggest it on
> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com
>
I seem to remember it being on there, or somewhere.  I’ll see if I can hunt it 
down and revitalise the idea.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] wiki pages

[Yorvyk]

On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 00:36:43 +
Phill Whiteside  wrote:

> 
> 
> > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/RemoveOldKernels
> 
>  I’m not sure suggesting removing two out of three kernels is a good idea.
>  I think you should retain two kernel versions just in case an update borks
> one
> >> The general advice I've always had is to keep your most recent working
> kernel as well as the new one. If people wish to disagree, then I will
> happily update that page.<<
> 
> >
> > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/AlternateInstall
> > Update Lubuntu link doesn’t go to the correct page.
> >
> >> Thanks, link has been updated<<
> 
> >
> > Well done all concerned I know what a pain documentation is.
> >
> > --
> 
> Thanks for taking the time Steve, it is appreciated.
> 
All the links appear to point in the right direction and, apart from the Remove 
old kernels page all appears OK.  I have followed the instructions as I 
reinstalled Lubuntu to a machine this afternoon.
I’ll have a go at writing a 'Remove old kernels using Synaptic' page over 
Christmas.  Wouldn’t it be nice if there was a setting in Synaptic where you 
could specify the No of kernels you wished to keep :)

The only remaining problem I can see is the inconsistent use of capital letters 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] wiki pages

[Phill Whiteside]

On 22 December 2010 23:00, Yorvyk  wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:47:37 +
> Phill Whiteside  wrote:
>
> > Zach,
> >
> > you are an absolute star. I had set some time aside after the New Year to
> do
> > the transfers.
> >
> > Many, many thanks.
> >
> > Phill.
> >
> >
> -
> >
> > Hiyas Lubuntueers,
> >
> > can you go and proof read all of
> > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation and let us know
> if
> > there are any bits not working. Then we can set up the auto divert from
> the
> > old area and 'comply' with the documentation rules for help pages.
> >
> Not gone through it all yet but most of the links appear to go where
> they’re supposed to.  Corrected a few typos and found the following problems
> or what I consider to be problems in some cases.  Fell free to discuss.
>
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/CheckCD
> Could do with an explanation about where to find the hashes for each
> release.
> >> as it was transferred over at 10.04, that was an Oops moment which I've
> now corrected for 10.10 Trying to teach people where to go search for iso
> md5's is in the dev area. I've tried to keep it a n00b friendly as possible.
> Do you think we should have a page for each, as 10.04 is now our LTS.<<
>


> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/RemoveOldKernels

 I’m not sure suggesting removing two out of three kernels is a good idea.
 I think you should retain two kernel versions just in case an update borks
one
>> The general advice I've always had is to keep your most recent working
kernel as well as the new one. If people wish to disagree, then I will
happily update that page.<<

>
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/AlternateInstall
> Update Lubuntu link doesn’t go to the correct page.
>
>> Thanks, link has been updated<<

>
> Well done all concerned I know what a pain documentation is.
>
> --
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>
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Thanks for taking the time Steve, it is appreciated.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] wiki pages

[Yorvyk]

On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:47:37 +
Phill Whiteside  wrote:

> Zach,
> 
> you are an absolute star. I had set some time aside after the New Year to do
> the transfers.
> 
> Many, many thanks.
> 
> Phill.
> 
> -
> 
> Hiyas Lubuntueers,
> 
> can you go and proof read all of
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation and let us know if
> there are any bits not working. Then we can set up the auto divert from the
> old area and 'comply' with the documentation rules for help pages.
> 
Not gone through it all yet but most of the links appear to go where they’re 
supposed to.  Corrected a few typos and found the following problems or what I 
consider to be problems in some cases.  Fell free to discuss.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/CheckCD
Could do with an explanation about where to find the hashes for each release.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/RemoveOldKernels 
I’m not sure suggesting removing two out of three kernels is a good idea.  I 
think you should retain two kernel versions just in case an update borks one.  

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/AlternateInstall
Update Lubuntu link doesn’t go to the correct page.

Well done all concerned I know what a pain documentation is.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] wiki pages

[Steve]

On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:47:37 -, Phill Whiteside   
wrote:



Zach,

you are an absolute star. I had set some time aside after the New Year  
to do

the transfers.

Many, many thanks.

Phill.

-

Hiyas Lubuntueers,

can you go and proof read all of
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation and let us know  
if
there are any bits not working. Then we can set up the auto divert from  
the

old area and 'comply' with the documentation rules for help pages.

Regards,

Phill.

Where would you like the problems reporting?  On the list? or should I  
assist by editing, or both?



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] wiki pages

[Phill Whiteside]

Zach,

you are an absolute star. I had set some time aside after the New Year to do
the transfers.

Many, many thanks.

Phill.

-

Hiyas Lubuntueers,

can you go and proof read all of
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation and let us know if
there are any bits not working. Then we can set up the auto divert from the
old area and 'comply' with the documentation rules for help pages.

Regards,

Phill.

On 22 December 2010 11:27, Jared Norris  wrote:

> On 3 December 2010 16:30, Phill Whiteside  wrote:
> > Hiyas, as you move pages over can you put on the old / new link on to
> this
> > email as it will save us moving the same page twice.
> >
> > Jarred has already moved over and reformatted
> > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/AlternateInstall
> > from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Alternate Install
> >
> > That is our template, we have to go back and alter the internal links
> when
> > we've got everything moved over. Once that is done we have the extra task
> of
> > setting up the redirects from the exisiting wiki area. So, not a big job
> > then :P The reason I've been quiet on this is that I wanted absolute
> > assurance that we were not having to do it twice. As Charles (cproffit)
> > approved the header page and indeed made the header for it, and Connor
> has
> > approved the 1st page that Jarred transferred over; we've been a green
> light
> > to get on with it.
> >
> > Thanks guys.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Phill.
> >
>
> I have just had a quick look over it all and from what I can tell Zach
> has done a great job. I had a couple of links I fixed up (which I
> think I originally changed incorrectly) and I have fixed up the
> "Contact Us" link in the header so it points to the wiki contact us. I
> did look into making a separate help.ubuntu contact us page but then
> the sublinks and things got a bit messy.
>
> Please double and triple check it all and great work Zach.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jared Norris
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris
>
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[Lubuntu-desktop] wiki area

[Phill Whiteside]

Hi Julien,

Zach now thinks we meet the wiki standards, as per the earlier e-mail asking
for conformation from Matthew and Phil. If they're okay with things I'd like
to move the pointer for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp to
point to the new area at
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp I will leave a
note on the page to say that is the new area, otherwise we get into the
nightmare of trying to keep both areas up to date.

Just to make Zach blush, because I can; I'd like to put on record his
outstanding help in copying the documents area over to its correct home.
He's a star !!!

*To the team:*
*
*
Would you please only update the
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp area, it will
cause them to be out of sync if we have information updated in the 'old'
area. I ask this as even though I have not had 'official' blessing for the
new area, it is where the documentation has to be stored to comply to ubuntu
standards.

I'm also waiting any "How To's" that you may have hidden on a scrap of paper
to put on there :-)

Regards,

Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Wiki area

[Phillip Whiteside]

Hi Zach,

do you remember .

> Sounds like a very good idea Phill...need any help drop me an email and let
> me know
>

As you get time, could you start duplicating the general help documents over
to there. I know it's a pain, but I'd really like to keep this on-track for
10.10.10 and time is against me.

Once we've got the general help over there (evidently they can not be moved
en-masse), there should still be time to get the links updated and make
decisions as to what is 'wiki' and what it 'general help documentation'.

Thanks,

Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Wiki area

[Julien Lavergne]

Le lundi 09 août 2010 à 22:32 +0100, Phillip Whiteside a écrit :
> Views / Questions, anyone?

Be sure to leave a link to the new location for each page who move.
Except this, good for me :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Wiki area

[Zach Kleinhenz]

Sounds like a very good idea Phill...need any help drop me an email and let me 
know

Cheers!

Zach K

On Aug 9, 2010, at 4:32 PM, Phillip Whiteside  wrote:

> Oooh, these wiki pages :-)
> 
> It has been said that...
> 
> wiki.ubuntu.com  is
> not a website for documentation, it's for Ubuntu team organisation and
> contributor information. We have a central resource for documentation
> related to Ubuntu - it is help.ubuntu.com . I'd highly recommend that
> any documentation created on wiki.ubuntu.com  be moved to the help wiki
> at help.ubuntu.com/community . I don't see any reason why derivatives
> of Ubuntu can't also use that website if they would like to. The
> Lubuntu material could live happily at
> help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu .
> 
> Well, that's me told :-)  With a little help from the wiki team, it should 
> not break anything for the documentation to be transferred over there, which 
> I would assume to be the  contents of 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp and all sub-pages. Leaving 
> just a pointer to the new (correct) area. I also propose to leave the 
> Development area totally where is is, as it is not "general / help 
> documentation" but that for which that part of the wiki is for. The 
> help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu area would mention and have a pointer to 
> it. That way we would be following "best practice" for the project.
> 
> Views / Questions, anyone?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Phill.
> P.S. that was not just directed at Lubuntu, they're not "having a go" at us; 
> quite the opposite.
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Wiki area

[Phillip Whiteside]

Oooh, these wiki pages :-)

It has been said that...

wiki.ubuntu.com  is

not a website for documentation, it's for Ubuntu team organisation and

contributor information. We have a central resource for documentation

related to Ubuntu - it is help.ubuntu.com . I'd highly recommend that

any documentation created on wiki.ubuntu.com  be moved to the help wiki

at help.ubuntu.com/community . I don't see any reason why derivatives

of Ubuntu can't also use that website if they would like to. The

Lubuntu material could live happily at

help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu .


Well, that's me told :-)  With a little help from the wiki team, it should
not break anything for the documentation to be transferred over there, which
I would assume to be the  contents of
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp and all sub-pages. Leaving
just a pointer to the new (correct) area. I also propose to leave the
Development area totally where is is, as it is not "general / help
documentation" but that for which that part of the wiki is for. The
help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu area would mention and have a pointer to
it. That way we would be following "best practice" for the project.

Views / Questions, anyone?

Regards,

Phill.
P.S. that was not just directed at Lubuntu, they're not "having a go" at us;
quite the opposite.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] wiki page

[Julien Lavergne]

Le samedi 24 juillet 2010 à 01:56 +0100, Phillip Whiteside a écrit :
> 
> I've not ignored things, I'm still learning and hope you are all happy
> with my layout so far. I do not understand how / what the area you
> wish to be split / added to. 
> 
> I think we should put a link on
> the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ to
> Applications and other Features, it's more a description of
> Lubuntu than
> a "Getting Involved" stuff.

It's already done : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Applications and
other Features 

> 
> 
> There are also pages on there that are out of date.  
> 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ContactUs is out of date

I don't think it's so out of date. Just need to complete it if it's
necessary.

We already change the structure of the wiki recently. Some pages just
need to be up-to-date, not sure many of them need to be deleted
completely.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] wiki page

[Phillip Whiteside]

Hi,

I've not ignored things, I'm still learning and hope you are all happy with
my layout so far. I do not understand how / what the area you wish to be
split / added to.

I think we should put a link on the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ to

Applications and other Features, it's more a description of Lubuntu than

a "Getting Involved" stuff.


There are also pages on there that are out of date.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ContactUs is out of date, there are others
that are also well out dated. Can I have a general clean up of those also?
I'm told that the 'system' keeps backups, but I assure you that I would hold
a local copy and upload to the server any pages that I want to edit a lot
and also for any pages I nominate for deletion.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/DocumentationSubTeam  Would you
check with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/c-david-rigby that I add my self to that
list.

Sorry to be a pain on checking things out; but you seem to be the only one
who replies when I am asking for the structure of how the Lubuntu team is.

Keep going; lubuntu is very well liked by those who discover it. You and all
the dev and testing team are absolute stars.

Regards,

Phill.

On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Le samedi 10 juillet 2010 à 02:13 +0100, Phillip Whiteside a écrit :
> > 'https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Applications and
> > other Features' is moved to
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved
>
> I think we should put a link on the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ to
> Applications and other Features, it's more a description of Lubuntu than
> a "Getting Involved" stuff.
>
> For other modifications, I'm ok with them.
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] wiki page

[Julien Lavergne]

Le samedi 10 juillet 2010 à 02:13 +0100, Phillip Whiteside a écrit :
> 'https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Applications and
> other Features' is moved to
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved

I think we should put a link on the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ to
Applications and other Features, it's more a description of Lubuntu than
a "Getting Involved" stuff.

For other modifications, I'm ok with them.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] wiki page

[Mikhail Maksimov]

Hi Phillip, hi list

IMHO, "Just get on with it" ;-)

Regards!
Mikhail

On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 5:13 AM, Phillip Whiteside  wrote:
> Hi Julien,
> I apologise for the multiple messages coming from my editing the wiki area.
> I've got a couple of wiki people helping me with links etc. As they are not
> trivial edits, I feel uneasy to use that tag.
> Hi Gang,
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp
> I'd like to do a make-over of that area. What is proposed is:
> 'Documentation and Help' becomes 'Help'
> 'https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseManagementDiscussion' is removed, as
> it is out of date.
> 'https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Applications and other
> Features' is moved to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved
> i also propose that details of 10.10 is moved
> to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers with the details
> of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Test Lubuntu being moved over there,
> leaving just a 'stub'.
> With the help of the wiki team, I've done some editing for things like the
> inclusion of code to be typed into a terminal session.
> Just so as everyone knows, I'm part
> of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Wiki/SoD2010 so, our
> own wiki area is a good one for me to get help on.
> As it is the aim of lubuntu to be adopted by Canonical, as per my previous
> posting I'd like to ensure we comply with their documentation standards.
> I'd appreciate any input as to what you'd like to see on there along with
> proof reading to ensure any spelling mistakes etc. are corrected. All those
> on the mailing list who have their launchpad accouts can log in and edit the
> pages.
> As always, your input is needed.
> Well, that's my and the wiki teams ideas, please shout up anything that you
> think are wrong, I will take deafening silence to mean "Just get on with it"
> :-)
> Regards,
> Phill.
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[Lubuntu-desktop] wiki page

[Phillip Whiteside]

Hi Julien,

I apologise for the multiple messages coming from my editing the wiki area.
I've got a couple of wiki people helping me with links etc. As they are not
trivial edits, I feel uneasy to use that tag.

Hi Gang,

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp

I'd like to do a make-over of that area. What is proposed is:

'Documentation and Help' becomes 'Help'
'https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseManagementDiscussion' is removed, as
it is out of date.
'https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Applications and other
Features' is moved to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved
i also propose that details of 10.10 is moved to
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers with the details of
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Test
Lubuntu being moved over there, leaving just a 'stub'.

With the help of the wiki team, I've done some editing for things like the
inclusion of code to be typed into a terminal session.

Just so as everyone knows, I'm part of
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Wiki/SoD2010 so, our own
wiki area is a good one for me to get help on.

As it is the aim of lubuntu to be adopted by Canonical, as per my previous
posting I'd like to ensure we comply with their documentation standards.

I'd appreciate any input as to what you'd like to see on there along with
proof reading to ensure any spelling mistakes etc. are corrected. All those
on the mailing list who have their launchpad accouts can log in and edit the
pages.

As always, your input is needed.

Well, that's my and the wiki teams ideas, please shout up anything that you
think are wrong, I will take deafening silence to mean "Just get on with it"
:-)

Regards,

Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Wiki updates

[C David Rigby]

Julien Lavergne wrote:

Hi,

Before the final release, I updated the wiki [1] to be easier to use. I
hope you will like it.

The documentation part is still very limited. Any help to improve it
(writing articles/tutorials, linking to interesting and existing wiki
pages ...) are welcome :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

[1] : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu


  


It looks good! Cheers, David

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Wiki updates

[Julien Lavergne]

Hi,

Before the final release, I updated the wiki [1] to be easier to use. I
hope you will like it.

The documentation part is still very limited. Any help to improve it
(writing articles/tutorials, linking to interesting and existing wiki
pages ...) are welcome :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

[1] : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Wiki reorganisation

[Phillip Whiteside]

Hi,

1) is the removal of how to update lubuntu a wise choice as there is not yet
a option in menus to do it
2) does lubuntu still need 9.10 instructions koala is so 'last year' and
would just confuse n00bs

As i requested earlier, can we all post up our various documents for the
project into one place. I think that the wiki page is the best place for
them as it should be the 'one-stop shop' for everything lubuntu, even if it
does have external links  (I have seen wiki pages linking to non-*buntu
pages) such as
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStickQuick

Regards,
.
Phill


On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Today I tried to reorganize a bit the wiki, by splitting the main page
> into several pages, and adding a Header for quick access.
>
> I also don't think the principe of "Teams" is not appropriate for now,
> we have not many contributors, but each team page could be a good
> category for contributing.
>
> You can see the result here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu_Draft It's
> just a quick draft, not all pages are updated.
>
> What do you think ?
>
> I also plan to update the documentation before the release, it's
> important to have up-to-date docs before the release :)
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
>
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Wiki reorganized. Please rejoin applications discussion at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications

[Mario Behling]

Dear all,

The wiki has been reorganized. Thank you to David and Luther! The
start page became quite long and it seemed appropriate to seperate
content in different pages.

* The start page remains: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu

* The discussion about applications is now here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications
Please join the discussion about lubuntu applications and subscribe to
the page changes.

* The overview of members is now here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams
As a member and contributor to Lubuntu, please add your name to the
Subteam's pages. There are links to subteams coordination pages. We
can use those to coordinate the work among members.

It has been astounding to see the increase of members in the lubuntu
team. I am looking forward to everyone getting more involved.

All the best,

Mario

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