Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LSC and Dependencies Talk

[amjjawad HOOHAA]

>
> ACTION WIKI: find a page on the wiki about installing software not aimed
> at a certain DE. E.g. installing ktouch inside Lubuntu, hopefully with
> system impact. If that page doesn't exists create one. Please reply if
> there isn't a page on the wiki before creating a new page. This is to keep
> me up-to-date.
>


Honestly, I did not search yet but I have made this guide few months ago
and I think it will be handy and helpful in case there is no page on the
Wiki.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1880394

Sorry, forgot to mention that earlier :)



On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Chris  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Firstly the discussion at hand: the MAIN reason why LSC was created is
> because USC is VERY heavyweight. While still having a similar simplified
> interface for installing software, it boots a lot faster. Secondly is
> Synaptic not the most intuitive way to install software. Showing a lot of
> technical (libs etc) between some of the packages you might want to
> install, LSC solves this by only showing the packages one would want to
> install and with a preview readily available. So it's not a means to only
> show packages "designed" for Lubuntu afaik.
>
> Thirdly this is a mainly a discussion in how LSC *could* or *should*
> preform, not about the wiki. When you guys have made a decision on what
> should be put on the wiki, please cc the wiki list. I could have the wiki
> group make a page about installing software in Lubuntu, referring to
> packages that depend on libs not included by default and what the impact
> could be, but their might already be a page about that on the "main" wiki
> which we could refer to.
>
> ACTION WIKI: find a page on the wiki about installing software not aimed
> at a certain DE. E.g. installing ktouch inside Lubuntu, hopefully with
> system impact. If that page doesn't exists create one. Please reply if
> there isn't a page on the wiki before creating a new page. This is to keep
> me up-to-date.
>
> With metta, Chris
>
> P.S.: Ali, you used the "old" lubuntu list, which will be deprecated
> shortly. I've cc'd the new list.
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:36, PCMan  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:49 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> Before I reply to this post:
>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11613963&postcount=252
>>> I thought it's better to start such a discussion over here so that I
>>> understand better and we make it clear to everyone what is really going on.
>>>
>>> As far as I have learned so far and I could be wrong, the Dependencies
>>> Talk on a Low Resources System where usually Lubuntu is installed, is more
>>> about Space Issue than Loaded Files on RAM issue.
>>> I don't have a document or something that confirm that but I do know for
>>> sure that as long as nothing will be loaded in RAM, the performance won't
>>> be affected.
>>>
>>> I've come across MANY questions from users like: "This app has lots of
>>> dependencies, can I install it on Lubuntu? will that slow my system down??"
>>>
>>> For me, I can easily reply that post saying: "It's more about space
>>> issues than memory consuming issue + if you want, you can use the terminal
>>> for Synaptic."
>>>
>>
>> This is not necessarily true. Almost always, we add dependencies because
>> the program needs them at "runtime".
>> Most of time, these deps, especially the libraries, will be loaded at
>> runtime as well.
>> The most important issue is how much RAM is needed by programs constantly
>> running throughout the whole desktop session.
>> (web browser, panel, file manager, desktop manager, session manager,
>> other dbus services...)
>>
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LSC and Dependencies Talk

[amjjawad HOOHAA]

Hi,

I think there is a misunderstanding over here so allow me to clear and
explain that.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11613963&postcount=252

I was seeking a professional and official answer to the above post and I
hoped more developers will jump in. So Far, PCMan did so THANK YOU :) I'm
still waiting for others to share their opinion.

I'll summarize the questions:

1- To being with, is it true that the more dependencies any app has the
more load will be added to RAM and as a result a slower system?
*I THINK: if these dependencies will NOT be loaded, the performance will be
the same - obviously. However, I need a final answer so I can use it every
time someone will ask the same Question then add that to our FAQ section.*:)

2- If the answer of the above question is "Yes, the more dependencies the
slower performance" then is there anyway to tell the user which app is
light and which is not?
I THINK: a few words on the description for each app is more than enough
because after all, it's up to the user + it's up to his/her machine.

I was very much able to reply that post but ALL what I wanted is a team
work answer/reply, that is all :) my bad, I think I did a mistake :)

Using LSC instead of USC was not mentioned after all :)

As for using the old list, I'm still CONFUSED because I thought the old
list = for development (and stuff like that) talk and the new one for
general discussion.
Sorry again if I caused any confusion ... things are not very clear over
here!





On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Chris  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Firstly the discussion at hand: the MAIN reason why LSC was created is
> because USC is VERY heavyweight. While still having a similar simplified
> interface for installing software, it boots a lot faster. Secondly is
> Synaptic not the most intuitive way to install software. Showing a lot of
> technical (libs etc) between some of the packages you might want to
> install, LSC solves this by only showing the packages one would want to
> install and with a preview readily available. So it's not a means to only
> show packages "designed" for Lubuntu afaik.
>
> Thirdly this is a mainly a discussion in how LSC *could* or *should*
> preform, not about the wiki. When you guys have made a decision on what
> should be put on the wiki, please cc the wiki list. I could have the wiki
> group make a page about installing software in Lubuntu, referring to
> packages that depend on libs not included by default and what the impact
> could be, but their might already be a page about that on the "main" wiki
> which we could refer to.
>
> ACTION WIKI: find a page on the wiki about installing software not aimed
> at a certain DE. E.g. installing ktouch inside Lubuntu, hopefully with
> system impact. If that page doesn't exists create one. Please reply if
> there isn't a page on the wiki before creating a new page. This is to keep
> me up-to-date.
>
> With metta, Chris
>
> P.S.: Ali, you used the "old" lubuntu list, which will be deprecated
> shortly. I've cc'd the new list.
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:36, PCMan  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:49 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> Before I reply to this post:
>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11613963&postcount=252
>>> I thought it's better to start such a discussion over here so that I
>>> understand better and we make it clear to everyone what is really going on.
>>>
>>> As far as I have learned so far and I could be wrong, the Dependencies
>>> Talk on a Low Resources System where usually Lubuntu is installed, is more
>>> about Space Issue than Loaded Files on RAM issue.
>>> I don't have a document or something that confirm that but I do know for
>>> sure that as long as nothing will be loaded in RAM, the performance won't
>>> be affected.
>>>
>>> I've come across MANY questions from users like: "This app has lots of
>>> dependencies, can I install it on Lubuntu? will that slow my system down??"
>>>
>>> For me, I can easily reply that post saying: "It's more about space
>>> issues than memory consuming issue + if you want, you can use the terminal
>>> for Synaptic."
>>>
>>
>> This is not necessarily true. Almost always, we add dependencies because
>> the program needs them at "runtime".
>> Most of time, these deps, especially the libraries, will be loaded at
>> runtime as well.
>> The most important issue is how much RAM is needed by programs constantly
>> running throughout the whole desktop session.
>> (web browser, panel, file manager, desktop manager, session manager,
>> other dbus services...)
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop
>> Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop
>> More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>>
>>
>


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LSC and Dependencies Talk

[Chris]

Hello everyone,

Firstly the discussion at hand: the MAIN reason why LSC was created is
because USC is VERY heavyweight. While still having a similar simplified
interface for installing software, it boots a lot faster. Secondly is
Synaptic not the most intuitive way to install software. Showing a lot of
technical (libs etc) between some of the packages you might want to
install, LSC solves this by only showing the packages one would want to
install and with a preview readily available. So it's not a means to only
show packages "designed" for Lubuntu afaik.

Thirdly this is a mainly a discussion in how LSC *could* or *should*
preform, not about the wiki. When you guys have made a decision on what
should be put on the wiki, please cc the wiki list. I could have the wiki
group make a page about installing software in Lubuntu, referring to
packages that depend on libs not included by default and what the impact
could be, but their might already be a page about that on the "main" wiki
which we could refer to.

ACTION WIKI: find a page on the wiki about installing software not aimed at
a certain DE. E.g. installing ktouch inside Lubuntu, hopefully with system
impact. If that page doesn't exists create one. Please reply if there isn't
a page on the wiki before creating a new page. This is to keep me
up-to-date.

With metta, Chris

P.S.: Ali, you used the "old" lubuntu list, which will be deprecated
shortly. I've cc'd the new list.

On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:36, PCMan  wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:49 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Before I reply to this post:
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11613963&postcount=252
>> I thought it's better to start such a discussion over here so that I
>> understand better and we make it clear to everyone what is really going on.
>>
>> As far as I have learned so far and I could be wrong, the Dependencies
>> Talk on a Low Resources System where usually Lubuntu is installed, is more
>> about Space Issue than Loaded Files on RAM issue.
>> I don't have a document or something that confirm that but I do know for
>> sure that as long as nothing will be loaded in RAM, the performance won't
>> be affected.
>>
>> I've come across MANY questions from users like: "This app has lots of
>> dependencies, can I install it on Lubuntu? will that slow my system down??"
>>
>> For me, I can easily reply that post saying: "It's more about space
>> issues than memory consuming issue + if you want, you can use the terminal
>> for Synaptic."
>>
>
> This is not necessarily true. Almost always, we add dependencies because
> the program needs them at "runtime".
> Most of time, these deps, especially the libraries, will be loaded at
> runtime as well.
> The most important issue is how much RAM is needed by programs constantly
> running throughout the whole desktop session.
> (web browser, panel, file manager, desktop manager, session manager, other
> dbus services...)
>
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LSC and Dependencies Talk

[PCMan]

On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:49 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Before I reply to this post:
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11613963&postcount=252
> I thought it's better to start such a discussion over here so that I
> understand better and we make it clear to everyone what is really going on.
>
> As far as I have learned so far and I could be wrong, the Dependencies
> Talk on a Low Resources System where usually Lubuntu is installed, is more
> about Space Issue than Loaded Files on RAM issue.
> I don't have a document or something that confirm that but I do know for
> sure that as long as nothing will be loaded in RAM, the performance won't
> be affected.
>
> I've come across MANY questions from users like: "This app has lots of
> dependencies, can I install it on Lubuntu? will that slow my system down??"
>
> For me, I can easily reply that post saying: "It's more about space issues
> than memory consuming issue + if you want, you can use the terminal for
> Synaptic."
>

This is not necessarily true. Almost always, we add dependencies because
the program needs them at "runtime".
Most of time, these deps, especially the libraries, will be loaded at
runtime as well.
The most important issue is how much RAM is needed by programs constantly
running throughout the whole desktop session.
(web browser, panel, file manager, desktop manager, session manager, other
dbus services...)
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[Lubuntu-desktop] LSC and Dependencies Talk

[amjjawad HOOHAA]

Hi everyone,

Before I reply to this post:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11613963&postcount=252
I thought it's better to start such a discussion over here so that I
understand better and we make it clear to everyone what is really going on.

As far as I have learned so far and I could be wrong, the Dependencies Talk
on a Low Resources System where usually Lubuntu is installed, is more about
Space Issue than Loaded Files on RAM issue.
I don't have a document or something that confirm that but I do know for
sure that as long as nothing will be loaded in RAM, the performance won't
be affected.

I've come across MANY questions from users like: "This app has lots of
dependencies, can I install it on Lubuntu? will that slow my system down??"

For me, I can easily reply that post saying: "It's more about space issues
than memory consuming issue + if you want, you can use the terminal for
Synaptic."

@Stefano
What do you think about specially the bold statement:

> It would be nice if the Lubuntu software centre let the user know which
> packages were also going to be installed, and also if somehow *it could
> tell the user if the package isn't really designed to go with Lubuntu*.
>


@Wiki and Doc Team
I think we need to highlight this issue because many are wondering and
asking the same Q over and over again.

Thank you!

P.S.
If this email is not clear, please let me know :)
Best Regards,

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