Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-22 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi, in lubuntu 13.10 firefox will be the default browser. If it does not work well and Chromium gets better we will discuss again for 14.04. The discussions of 'which is best' have been finished. Get on board with Ffox for 13.10, that is what we will be shipping as the default. Use the (now worki

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-22 Thread John Kim
Personally, Firefox wins because of launchpad plug-ins. They're really handy. I feel as though Firefox feels zippier than Chrome overall when browsing. Leszek Lesner wrote: >Am Samstag, 22. Juni 2013, 20:18:52 schrieb Andrew Hamming: >> Can an option be added to the install process that gives

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-22 Thread Leszek Lesner
Am Samstag, 22. Juni 2013, 20:18:52 schrieb Andrew Hamming: > Can an option be added to the install process that gives the user an > ability to choose their browser? Sry to tell you this, but this is in my opinion bullshit if we provide a software center and the ability to easily choose your brow

RE: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-22 Thread Andrew Hamming
Can an option be added to the install process that gives the user an ability to choose their browser? On Jun 21, 2013 10:16 PM, "p s" wrote: > I have been using Lubuntu for over a year on daily basis, mostly on my > netbook. I have both Firefox and Chromium installed, and I use > Chromium exclusi

RE: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-21 Thread p s
I have been using Lubuntu for over a year on daily basis, mostly on my netbook. I have both Firefox and Chromium installed, and I use Chromium exclusively. (-) Firefox: you cannot Shift + mouse wheel to scroll horizontally in Firefox - this is a limitation on Gecko engine - there is no way to co

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-04 Thread Julien Lavergne
2013/6/3 Yorvyk : > > What's the rush? The question was asked just over three days ago. It is > a question that requires serious debate. > I'd like to raise another question or two. If we go to Firefox, what will > happen when you upgrade to Saucy. Will Firefox replace Chromium? Will they > be ther

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-04 Thread Andre Rodovalho
Is it possible to make a test, releasing 13.10 with FF? If everything goes good, then FF to 14.04. If does not, back to Chromium on 14.04... It might be a good (and last) change for testing, cause 14.04 is gonna be the LTS, right? 2013/6/3 Phill Whiteside > Hi Steve, > > yeah, the feature free

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-03 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi Steve, yeah, the feature freeze for what ships in lubuntu is not indeffinate... as for grabbing chromium stuff? https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/import-bookmarks-google-chrome It appears about as hard as switching from Ffox to Chromium that we did a few years ago. An upgrade should never re

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-03 Thread Yorvyk
On 03/06/13 21:00, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote: On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Phill Whiteside mailto:phi...@ubuntu.com>> wrote: And for the 'old machines'? Last thread we were talking about was making lubuntu-core more easily available. On these low RAM machines, which as Chad has stated are li

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-03 Thread Ali Linx (amjjawad)
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote: > And for the 'old machines'? Last thread we were talking about was making > lubuntu-core more easily available. On these low RAM machines, which as > Chad has stated are limited to v25 Chomium unless he can get v27 to build > in 32 bit, I a

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-03 Thread Phill Whiteside
And for the 'old machines'? Last thread we were talking about was making lubuntu-core more easily available. On these low RAM machines, which as Chad has stated are limited to v25 Chomium unless he can get v27 to build in 32 bit, I again fail to see the advantage? F/fox as with slimmed down memory

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-03 Thread Yorvyk
On 02/06/13 00:16, Jonathan Marsden wrote: On 06/01/2013 03:30 PM, Yorvyk wrote: I've not found any down sides to zRAM with more than 512 MiB of RAM. Below that, especially with CPUs below 1GHz, there are frequent pauses as memory gets swapped about when the zRAM allocation has been used up and

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-02 Thread Andre Rodovalho
zRAM seems to be nice... But, I also think the decision to make it default should be independent from what browser to choose 2013/6/2 Yorvyk > On 01/06/13 23:39, Phill Whiteside wrote: > >> I'm still somewhat confused as to why more tests are needed? The set >> I carried out for Chad Miller we

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-02 Thread Yorvyk
On 01/06/13 23:39, Phill Whiteside wrote: I'm still somewhat confused as to why more tests are needed? The set I carried out for Chad Miller were a full set of tests. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1096603 If he asks for further tests under what ever system he r

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-02 Thread Ali Linx (amjjawad)
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 9:53 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote: > Hi, > > In order to have more feedbacks before deciding to switch to Firefox, > or to keep Chromium by default, I would like to ask you some > testimonies and any feedbacks about the use of the 2 browsers. We need > to evaluate the use of

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-02 Thread Yorvyk
On 02/06/13 00:16, Jonathan Marsden wrote: On 06/01/2013 03:30 PM, Yorvyk wrote: I've not found any down sides to zRAM with more than 512 MiB of RAM. Below that, especially with CPUs below 1GHz, there are frequent pauses as memory gets swapped about when the zRAM allocation has been used up and

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-02 Thread Yorvyk
On 02/06/13 09:18, PCMan wrote: Well, I think the way ArchLinux does it is what we can learn something from. Having the kernel module installed won't get it activated automatically. zRAM can be used only when you create a virtual block device for it. Developers from the Arch community developed

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-02 Thread leszek . lesner
We already have this in the Ubuntubrepo called zram-config and I highly believe its the same script you described as it does exactly the same. Its an upstart script btw. All in all I still don't see any downsize in using zram. This would allow js to stay with chromium as the default browser whi

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-02 Thread PCMan
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Jonathan Marsden wrote: > On 06/01/2013 03:30 PM, Yorvyk wrote: > >> I've not found any down sides to zRAM with more than 512 MiB of RAM. >> Below that, especially with CPUs below 1GHz, there are frequent pauses >> as memory gets swapped about when the zRAM allocati

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-01 Thread Nio Wiklund
On 2013-06-02 00:39, Phill Whiteside wrote: ... > > Do we, as lubuntu, support losing 32 bit? No, we do not. Allow Chad to > make the call on whether v27 is viable for us. He knows a lot more about > this area than any of us :) > > > Regards, > > Phill. ... I agree, that we need 32 bit version

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-01 Thread Jonathan Marsden
On 06/01/2013 03:30 PM, Yorvyk wrote: > I've not found any down sides to zRAM with more than 512 MiB of RAM. > Below that, especially with CPUs below 1GHz, there are frequent pauses > as memory gets swapped about when the zRAM allocation has been used up > and swap starts using the disk partition/

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-01 Thread Yorvyk
On 01/06/13 23:25, Andre Rodovalho wrote: Tnx, I completly forgot that... FF on safe mode: Gmail only: 219.03 MB Gmail + facebook: 269.85 MB PS: FF memory use floats very much... It does appear to. I thought I was going crazy as I couldn't reproduce the results I got yesterday. Anybody else

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-01 Thread Phill Whiteside
I'm still somewhat confused as to why more tests are needed? The set I carried out for Chad Miller were a full set of tests. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+/chromium-bsourcerowser/+bug/1096603 If he asks for further tests under what ever system he requires, he knows to ask. The bug is assigned

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-01 Thread Yorvyk
On 01/06/13 22:46, Leszek Lesner wrote: Am 01.06.2013 23:21, schrieb PCMan: On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 1:53 AM, Julien Lavergne wrote: Hi, In order to have more feedbacks before deciding to switch to Firefox, or to keep Chromium by default, I would like to ask you some testimonies and any feedbac

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-01 Thread Andre Rodovalho
Tnx, I completly forgot that... FF on safe mode: Gmail only: 219.03 MB Gmail + facebook: 269.85 MB PS: FF memory use floats very much... 2013/6/1 Yorvyk > On 01/06/13 23:06, Andre Rodovalho wrote: > >> Another test: >> >> Facebook only: Firefox: 134.30 MB Chromium: 127784k >> >> Facebook + G

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-01 Thread Yorvyk
On 01/06/13 23:06, Andre Rodovalho wrote: Another test: Facebook only: Firefox: 134.30 MB Chromium: 127784k Facebook + Gmail: Firefox: 278.01 MB Chromium: 139352k My Firefox has some extentions (xMarks, Flash Video Downloader, Ubuntu Mod. and Global Menu...) Chromium has no extentions! Wh

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-01 Thread Andre Rodovalho
Another test: Facebook only: Firefox: 134.30 MB Chromium: 127784k Facebook + Gmail: Firefox: 278.01 MB Chromium: 139352k My Firefox has some extentions (xMarks, Flash Video Downloader, Ubuntu Mod. and Global Menu...) Chromium has no extentions! 2013/6/1 Andre Rodovalho > Made the test with

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-01 Thread Andre Rodovalho
Made the test with "mem=512M nosmp" as suggested... My CPU is a Intel T7200 Both browsers with gmail only: Firefox: 187.28 MB Chromium: 16852k Gmail + Facebook: Firefox: 269.75 MB Chromium: 134220k 2013/6/1 Leszek Lesner > Am 01.06.2013 23:21, schrieb PCMan: > > On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 1:53 A

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-01 Thread Leszek Lesner
Am 01.06.2013 23:21, schrieb PCMan: On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 1:53 AM, Julien Lavergne wrote: Hi, In order to have more feedbacks before deciding to switch to Firefox, or to keep Chromium by default, I would like to ask you some testimonies and any feedbacks about the use of the 2 browsers. We ne

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-01 Thread PCMan
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 1:53 AM, Julien Lavergne wrote: > Hi, > > In order to have more feedbacks before deciding to switch to Firefox, > or to keep Chromium by default, I would like to ask you some > testimonies and any feedbacks about the use of the 2 browsers. We need > to evaluate the use of th

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-01 Thread John Hupp
On 5/31/2013 1:53 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote: Hi, In order to have more feedbacks before deciding to switch to Firefox, or to keep Chromium by default, I would like to ask you some testimonies and any feedbacks about the use of the 2 browsers. We need to evaluate the use of the 2 browsers *on old

RAM on Chromebooks (was: Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies )

2013-06-01 Thread Jonathan Marsden
On 06/01/2013 01:49 AM, Yorvyk wrote: > A look at the specs for Chromebooks gives some idea of the power and > RAM Google deems necessary to run Chrome in a useful fashion. Yes and no... I run a full Ubuntu 12,04 + LXDE installation (using the crouton script) in a chroot within ChromeOS on my XE3

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-01 Thread Yorvyk
On 31/05/13 22:55, Yorvyk wrote: On 31/05/13 21:56, Yorvyk wrote: On 31/05/13 20:25, Nio Wiklund wrote: On 2013-05-31 19:53, Julien Lavergne wrote: So, if you have feedback on using both browsers, please bring it to us :-) But please, keep the discussion on this topic (feedback on low spec har

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-01 Thread Leszek Lesner
Am Samstag, 1. Juni 2013, 09:49:17 schrieb Yorvyk: > A look at the specs for Chromebooks gives some idea of the power and RAM > Google deems necessary to run Chrome in a useful fashion. Be aware that chromebooks by default also use zram to improve memory footprint. We might try that on low memor

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-06-01 Thread Yorvyk
A look at the specs for Chromebooks gives some idea of the power and RAM Google deems necessary to run Chrome in a useful fashion. -- Steve -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users

Re: Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-05-31 Thread James King
These were my criteria for web browsing. They might be subjective, but I figured if I could do all 6 things without the browser crashing, it would be okay for typical home use. 1. Visit Gmail, check mail, reply to an email, search for an email. 2. Visit Facebook. Like a post. Share a post. Reply t

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-05-31 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi, I did ask people (and still do) to not flood that bug report as I was asked to do some specific tests to see where the 'problem' was. A lot of chat also goes on outside of bug reports. He's a busy guy who has given fully open and honest advice as he sees it. The areas he has issues of are lis

Re: How to test with low RAM and just one CPU core (was: Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies )

2013-05-31 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi Jonathan, you can also utilise the abilities built into the linux kernel. I know at times I seem like a fan boi of virt-manager, but it is a GUI that uses the kvm abilities that are in built to the linux kernel. I'm sure the purists will prefer using virsh exactly, but I do ask why we need to l

How to test with low RAM and just one CPU core (was: Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies )

2013-05-31 Thread Jonathan Marsden
On 05/31/2013 05:47 PM, Andre Rodovalho wrote: > I cannot test lubuntu with such low specs... But I have already used > lubuntu with several Celeron D processors, and about 1gb. You can boot with a kernel parameter mem=512M or mem=384M or even mem=256M so the kernel will only use that

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-05-31 Thread Iberê Fernandes
Julien, One of my laptops is a Celeron M 1200 Mhz, 512 Ram from 2002. Kind of old machine (but still good, of course) to use Lubuntu. Memory report after 1h hour of navigation on 2 to 3 tabs (no facebook though, because it's a browser killer to me): Memory Browser Private Proportional Chromium 15

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-05-31 Thread Andre Rodovalho
I cannot test lubuntu with such low specs... But I have already used lubuntu with several Celeron D processors, and about 1gb. Chromium is always unstable for me, specially with Flash. I use to install Chrome, and Firefox... I use to install restricted extras as well... I guess if the question is

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-05-31 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi Boss, we did actually do some tests via https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1096603 It was pretty clear that the slimmed down Ffox was better for low resource machines (as evident in post https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1096603/commen

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-05-31 Thread Yorvyk
On 31/05/13 21:56, Yorvyk wrote: On 31/05/13 20:25, Nio Wiklund wrote: On 2013-05-31 19:53, Julien Lavergne wrote: So, if you have feedback on using both browsers, please bring it to us :-) But please, keep the discussion on this topic (feedback on low spec hardware). I prefer Firefox in gene

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-05-31 Thread Yorvyk
On 31/05/13 20:25, Nio Wiklund wrote: On 2013-05-31 19:53, Julien Lavergne wrote: So, if you have feedback on using both browsers, please bring it to us :-) But please, keep the discussion on this topic (feedback on low spec hardware). I prefer Firefox in general (maybe because I am more used

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-05-31 Thread Nio Wiklund
On 2013-05-31 19:53, Julien Lavergne wrote: > So, if you have feedback on using both browsers, please bring it to us > :-) But please, keep the discussion on this topic (feedback on low > spec hardware). I prefer Firefox in general (maybe because I am more used to it) but I use both. Sometimes it

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-05-31 Thread Jose Lopez
I have to agree with Mr Wislr. for me Firefox is rock solid. Never crashes on me no matter if high end build or very low end. The first thing I usually do is remove chromium. On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Mr Wislr wrote: > chrome is a memory pig as soon as you start using more than one tab.

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-05-31 Thread Aere Greenway
On 05/31/2013 11:53 AM, Julien Lavergne wrote: Hi, In order to have more feedbacks before deciding to switch to Firefox, or to keep Chromium by default, I would like to ask you some testimonies and any feedbacks about the use of the 2 browsers. We need to evaluate the use of the 2 browsers *on o

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-05-31 Thread Mr Wislr
chrome is a memory pig as soon as you start using more than one tab. Firefox uses a lot less, particularly after the last few updates. --- Computer Repair Shop York PA Web: http://www.unleashpc.com Phone: 1-830-Unleash Like Dropbox? UbuntuOne is better. Use link below to get 5.5GB of space. htt

Re: Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-05-31 Thread Lars Noodén
Thanks for looking into this. I haven't tried Chromium for a few months, but back when I did try it the "it's dead, Jim" message would pop up on tab after tab. The message would often appear for no apparent reason. This was on a 1GB RAM machine. The problem might have been AMD64 instead of i386

Chromium vs Firefox : Need testimonies

2013-05-31 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi, In order to have more feedbacks before deciding to switch to Firefox, or to keep Chromium by default, I would like to ask you some testimonies and any feedbacks about the use of the 2 browsers. We need to evaluate the use of the 2 browsers *on old and not-so-fast hardware*. It's important beca