Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu-users Digest, Vol 64, Issue 2

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:49:56 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>I guess I could explain in a very simple way, where many newbies act
   ^ "in what way many
   newbies act...", since
   this issue isn't only
   related to the subject,
   but also affects the
   content of many requests.
>irrational.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu-users Digest, Vol 64, Issue 2

[Ralf Mardorf]

>On 11 April 2017 at 13:30, oldmarathonrunner wrote:  
>> As ordinary people do not understand any of this I wonder if Lubuntu
>> and Linux have absolutely no interest in normal users.  

Hi,

please don't misunderstand this as a unfriendly rough reply, I only
try to explain something about a common misunderstanding.

Please read this reply:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-users/2017-July/010225.html

Correction of a sentence in the above post:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-users/2017-July/010226.html

Most, if not all of us power users, developer, geeks try to help people
as good as we can, for free as in beer, if we have got the time to do
so. We try to do this even if you are living on another continent and
even if you post nearly unusable information. You might not live next
door and actually at least I don't care if people want to use Linux or
not. It's freedom and freedom requires some effort.

You learned usage of a handkerchief or toilet paper, once you
parents and/or somebody else helped you and after a while you became a
super user in wiping the nose and cleaning your backside. They didn't
use a mailing list to teach you this. However, in the meantime you
learned to read and write, even while you might be a dyslexic (note, I
am a dyslexic myself) and perhaps you even learned how to do this in a
foreign language (I don't need to point out that English isn't my
native language ;).

Linux (in this context not just the kernel, but a distro with all the
user space software as e.g. provided by the Ubuntu flavour Lubuntu) is
not a competitor to proprietary operating systems attitudes. When I
started with using Linux, btw. I didn't migrate from MS or Apple, I
misunderstood the policies of different Linux distros, too. Nowadays
I'm using a Linux distro that distinctly mentions to be _not_ a user
friendly distro, see
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux#User_centrality .

Ubuntu and it's flavours are already user-friendly, but they still
follow a policy of "freedom". If you want something childproof, then do
_not_ use Linux. Children get more help than adults, but they are also
not free to do what adults are allowed to do. Freedom isn't for free,
you need to pay for it with attention.

I guess I could explain in a very simple way, where many newbies act
irrational. Do you think that "Lubuntu-users Digest, Vol 64, Issue 2"
is a good subject for your concerns? Would you use the subject
"Lubuntu-users Digest, Vol 64, Issue 2" for a letter of application,
too? With all due respect, the chosen subject is idiotic and you are
aware of this. You can not expect anybody to care for "Lubuntu-users
Digest, Vol 64, Issue 2". For sure, once upon a time you learned how to
write a subject and this was a long time ago before you subscribed to a
Linux distro's mailing list.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu-users Digest, Vol 64, Issue 2

[Ian Bruntlett]

Hi There,

On 11 April 2017 at 13:30, oldmarathonrunner 
wrote:

> I do not want to seem unhelpful, but I am an ordinary user . Is there
> anywhere one can actually get proper answers to problems other than have
> you tried this or that which then reverts into a nerds discussion of what
> they did or did not do. As ordinary people do not understand any of this I
> wonder if Lubuntu and Linux have absolutely no interest in normal users. I
> am very often directed to Ubuntu help and forums which are just the same
> and more often than not tell me the question has already been answered and
> direct me to a non existent page.
> I do not expect an answer with any meaning to it as I have been asking for
> years!
>

Try searching for a local Linux User Group (LUG). Because they will have
the advantage of being able to look at your problem and do the technical
things to fix it, it might be a really good idea.

BW,



Ian

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