;-) Honest, Roman ?
JM
=== 07-02-2009 01:48:26 ===
Musicality.
RT
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From: Mark Wheeler l...@pantagruel.de
To: 'Roman Turovsky' r.turov...@verizon.net; 'Lutelist'
lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 7:45 PM
Subject: AW: [LUTE] Re:
You can do one in three, three in ten.
Depends on how much you want to practice.
dt
At 03:43 AM 2/6/2009, you wrote:
I've been bothered by the charge of dilettantism (someone who prefers
diversity to virtuosity) which was raised on this list recently. How
many different instruments
I'm not talking about the copies we know about, I'm talking about the
copies we don't know about. There's a difference.
The ones we don't know about--and they are everywhere--are the good ones.
The idea that the guilds were strictly enforced in quite
charming--have you looked at court records
h maybe. Or maybe no one is the best.
Can you post some comparisons?
I've certainly heard better perfomances of the chromatic fantasies.
dt
At 03:54 PM 2/6/2009, you wrote:
That may very well be, but it is hard to fathom, considering that at
his worst he is still better than all of us.
RT
It all depends on what one is trying to accomplish. If your goal is to
become the best luter around and enjoy the accolades and privileges that
accompany that position, it's probably imperative that you narrow your
focus. If your goal is to explore and enjoy as much of this wonderful music
as
Totally. How many people can make jarring sounds musically and
meaningfully?
RT
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From: Jean-Marie Poirier jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr
To: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 3:55 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamzov--was Trench Fill
;-) Honest,
On and on and on it goes ... I'm afraid I've got no time to engage in empty
rhetoric here; if only I had been a historian ... Anyway, why not roll up
your sleeves and take up some practical steps in sorting out all those fakes
that no one knows about and then report us back on your findings,
As I recall - Edlinger routinely manufactured conversions of earlier
Tiffenbrucker instruments.
RT
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From: Alexander Batov alexander.ba...@vihuelademano.com
To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 9:01 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re:
BTW,
No one seems to have cared/dared to comment on the Kaliopi Karamazov Duet
video.
It is great music.
Here it is again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvP4uZjAf_k
RT
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From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net
To: Jean-Marie Poirier jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr;
h maybe. Or maybe no one is the best.
There are 5-6 who are.
Can you post some comparisons?
Than might cause a bit of ill-will.
I've certainly heard better perfomances of the chromatic fantasies.
dt
I haven't.
RT
At 03:54 PM 2/6/2009, you wrote:
That may very well be, but it
You mean (or whoever, from where you quoted from) that Edlinger's
manufactured conversions are somehow different from genuine earlier
Tiffenbrucker instruments? Or was that just a theory that he was involved
in a business of manufactured conversions?
AB
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From:
On Feb 6, 2009, at 7:11 PM, jsl...@verizon.net wrote:
Isn't it possible that playing several plucked instruments can be
mutually reinforcing? If I spend all day playing the vihuela, won't
that improve my lute playing? If I work on achieving perfect,
pearl-like tones on my
Yes but.. The but for me hinges on the words professional
virtuosi - as someone who does not earn his bread playing music
(thereby enforcing literal amateur status) I have only the time
left over from a job that eats 50 hours weekly. So I don't have time
to keep even one instrument up to a
I'm suspecting that the real question Peter raised is being skirted by
the respondents' reaction to the supposition of a charge
of dilettantism. Now that I've caught up a little, I see that he isn't
necessarily saying that lutenists tending to dilettantism is bad, just
that other musicians' (and
Le 7 févr. 09 à 16:43, David Rastall a écrit :
On Feb 6, 2009, at 7:11 PM, jsl...@verizon.net wrote:
Isn't it possible that playing several plucked instruments can be
mutually reinforcing? If I spend all day playing the vihuela,
won't
that improve my lute playing? If I work on
Pascale Boquet is also playing vihuela, archlute, theorbo and renaissance
guitar. (concert and recordings)
V.
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From: Anthony Hind anthony.h...@noos.fr
I can think of two French based professionals who use only one lute
(not the same one), and that is Pascale
Oups sorry. I was thinking of the lute she was playing. I believe she
always plays the 7c lute,
but again I might be wrong.
Anthony
Le 7 févr. 09 à 18:59, Sauvage Valéry a écrit :
Pascale Boquet is also playing vihuela, archlute, theorbo and
renaissance guitar. (concert and recordings)
V.
From my own experiance I would argue the other way but strongly believe
both approaches are valid.
For the past 8 years I've played only 6c lutes. The course cap was
entirely deliberate to cut down on instrument and genre overload.
Rather than having one 6c to play the pre-1600 rep, I have
One thing I didn't address in my rant;
Are we in the lute world systematically harming our playing standards,
even the reputation of our instrument, by spreading ourselves too
thin? Wouldn't we do better to specialise?
As to harming playing standards (apart from time constraints) I
Sean's 2 cents is pure gold. And not just because of the rotten
economy. Words of wisdom for all of us- Thanks! -Dan
From my own experiance I would argue the other way but strongly
believe both approaches are valid.
For the past 8 years I've played only 6c lutes. The course cap was
entirely
Anthony Hind anthony.h...@noos.fr schrieb:
Renaissance lute, and Miguel Serdoura on a 13c J-barred lute.
Note that barring has become an operative trait, whereas bass rider vs.
swan neck may go unmentioned 8)
--
Mathias
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Le 7 févr. 09 à 19:38, Mathias Rösel a écrit :
Anthony Hind anthony.h...@noos.fr schrieb:
Renaissance lute, and Miguel Serdoura on a 13c J-barred lute.
Note that barring has become an operative trait, whereas bass rider
vs.
swan neck may go unmentioned 8)
--
Mathias
Oh well, that was
Quite funny -- Karamazov (by accident of course!) in context of
dilettantism on the list now...
;-))
J
On 2009-02-07, at 09:55, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote:
;-) Honest, Roman ?
JM
=== 07-02-2009 01:48:26 ===
Musicality.
RT
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From: Mark Wheeler
Robert Barto is also playing romantic guitar.
V.
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From: Anthony Hind anthony.h...@noos.fr
To: Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de; lute List
lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 8:09 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Dilettantism
Le 7 févr. 09 à
Anthony Hind anthony.h...@noos.fr schrieb:
Yes, his lute is a rider lute, and I am glad to see that you no
longer seem to think that the one automatically entails the other.
As an amateur, I do think that
J-barring preceded fan barring
and that
bass rider lutes preceded swan-necked lutes.
Corected again, but the since I said the phenomonon should be
considered in terms of more or less, he is still quite a good example
of a tendance towards specialization (contrasting in that with Hoppy,
Lindberg, etc).
Anthony
Le 7 févr. 09 à 20:38, Sauvage Valéry a écrit :
Robert Barto
Could be of some interest...
http://www.bruceduffie.com/odette2.html
Val
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That I don't know.
But Edlinger would certainly have put Tiffenbreucker labels on the
instruments he made from scratch.
RT
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From: Alexander Batov alexander.ba...@vihuelademano.com
To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009
My real question was about the highest professional standards, and
specifically whether lutenists can ever hope to match the standards of
top pianists or violinists, for example, while they persist in
spreading their efforts over so many different instruments. Diversity
is fun, but
IIRC (from what Bob told me several years ago), he makes a good chunk of his
living teaching electric guitar to German teenagers, so presumably he has
some familiarity with that instrument as well.
Guy
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From: Sauvage Valéry [mailto:sauvag...@orange.fr]
Sent: Saturday,
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote:
Did someone once put up a calculator which which worked out fret positions,
in meantone, for a given string length?
Stuart
It's not exactly a calculator, but it has a table with numbers to
multiply string length with.
Hey gang,
I just found out that I have in a way or another - and more or less -
tubed all my 8 instruments! :-)
And I still do not touch d-minor tuned instruments, baroque guitars,
medieval lutes, vihuelas, mandoras, callichons, ceteras ,
Sor/Guiliani-guitars,...,etc... ;-)
All the best, I
Sorry, I forgot the links! Here:
http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/own/videos.html
Arto
On 2/8/2009, wi...@cs.helsinki.fi wi...@cs.helsinki.fi wrote:
Hey gang,
I just found out that I have in a way or another - and more or less -
tubed all my 8 instruments! :-)
And I still do
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Peter Martin peter.l...@gmail.com wrote:
My real question was about the highest professional standards, and
specifically whether lutenists can ever hope to match the standards of
top pianists or violinists, for example, while they persist in
spreading
I hear quite often no one can make an exact replica
But of course in the art world, this happens all the time.
My comments are merely to point out that not only is it possible, but
that it has been dome already.
I honestly don't know what the big deal is.
David v.O. comments are certainly
I can vouch that David's system works perfectly and as I result I owe
him a beer for life.
dt
At 02:53 PM 2/7/2009, you wrote:
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote:
Did someone once put up a calculator which which worked out fret positions,
in meantone,
Well, you see, there is only one example of surviving lute of this kind
so it would be safer to put things in singular.
However, even this 'theory' still remains one big guess. For example,
the body could have been rebuild from the original one by Tieffenbrucker
(say, because it was too large
I'm finding this increasingly difficult to follow.
On Feb 7, 2009, at 3:33 PM, David Tayler wrote:
But my idea is much simpler.
Say you have a bunch of lutes in a museum.
Some of them are fakes. But because they are the good fakes, not the
ones that say Kmart on them or are made with Ace
On Feb 7, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Anthony Hind wrote:
I can think of professional players who do limit themselves to
Renaissance lutes, Jacob Heringman, and this
does seem to have allowed him to develop an extremely elegant
Renaissance RH position.
A quick look through my CD collection shows that
Well Roman, to paraphrase from a recently released movie, maybe we're
just not that into him
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Roman Turovsky
[1]r.turov...@verizon.net wrote:
BTW,
No one seems to have cared/dared to comment on the Kaliopi
Karamazov Duet video.
--
Thanks, Val.
The interview date at the bottom of the page is 1993; that was 16 years
ago! Still, it is a good read.
ed
At 09:48 PM 2/7/2009 +0100, Sauvage Valéry wrote:
Could be of some interest...
http://www.bruceduffie.com/odette2.html
Val
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That would be too depressing to believe.
RT
From: Daniel Shoskes kidneykut...@gmail.com
Well Roman, to paraphrase from a recently released movie, maybe we're
just
not that into him
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Roman Turovsky
r.turov...@verizon.netwrote:
BTW,
No one seems to have
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:35 AM, David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
I can vouch that David's system works perfectly and as I result I owe
him a beer for life.
I'll take you up on that one!
David - just wondering: won't that give a headache for life?
***
Yes I know it is an old one, but I didn't knew it before... so perhaps I'm
not alone in this case, as you said, still good to read anyway !
;-)
Val
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To: Sauvage Valéry sauvag...@orange.fr; lute List
lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
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