[LUTE] Re: Diletantissimo!

2009-02-08 Thread Anthony Hind
Le 8 févr. 09 à 00:10, wi...@cs.helsinki.fi a écrit : Hey gang, I just found out that I have in a way or another - and more or less - tubed all my 8 instruments! :-) Being both a valve and gut sound fan myself, and strongly associating the warm sound quality of both (transistors with

[LUTE] Re: Dilettantism

2009-02-08 Thread gary digman
So much music, so little time! Gary (Aspires to be dilettante) - Original Message - From: Daniel Winheld dwinh...@comcast.net To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 8:51 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Dilettantism Yes but.. The but for me hinges on the words

[LUTE] Re: Interview Paul O'Dette

2009-02-08 Thread Edward Martin
Yes, it is a good read. The interesting thing is the discussion on strings. A good deal has happened in our modern research and development since the interview. ed At 08:41 AM 2/8/2009 +0100, Sauvage Valéry wrote: Yes I know it is an old one, but I didn't knew it before... so perhaps I'm

[LUTE] Re: Dilettantism

2009-02-08 Thread Anthony Hind
Le 8 févr. 09 à 01:07, howard posner a écrit : On Feb 7, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Anthony Hind wrote: I can think of professional players who do limit themselves to Renaissance lutes, Jacob Heringman, and this does seem to have allowed him to develop an extremely elegant Renaissance RH position. A

[LUTE] Re: Dilettantism

2009-02-08 Thread gary digman
Music is so vast that one could spend a lifetime in one position and never exhaust the possibilities. Gary (kid in a candy store) - Original Message - From: Sean Smith lutesm...@mac.com To: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 10:07 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re:

[LUTE] Re: Dilettantism

2009-02-08 Thread gary digman
Dan; What's your definition of doing better? Gary - Original Message - From: Daniel Winheld dwinh...@comcast.net To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 10:18 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Dilettantism One thing I didn't address in my rant; Are we in the lute

[LUTE] Paul O'Dette Interview with Bruce Duffie . . . . .

2009-02-08 Thread gary digman
Dear Rat; I don't now if you'll be able to access this with your computer problemas, But if you are, I thought you might find this interview with Paul O'dette interesting if only for what he has to say about the way Beethoven is performed. Love, G

[LUTE] Re: Dilettantism

2009-02-08 Thread gary digman
You're either assuming or asserting they haven't. Both of which I'd be inclined to take issue with. Gary - Original Message - From: Peter Martin peter.l...@gmail.com To: Lute list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 1:04 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Dilettantism My

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov

2009-02-08 Thread Alexander Batov
It may well be exactly the case when the truth is depressing; but wouldn't it, at the same time, leave you feeling elated? AB - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net To: Daniel Shoskes kidneykut...@gmail.com Cc: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday,

[LUTE] String Height

2009-02-08 Thread Tom Draughon
Question 1: For an 8 course Renaissance lute, what would be considered an appropriate string height range measured where the neck joins the body? I'm new to lute, and although my teacher says he's surprised that my budget EMS lute is really pretty good, I feel the string height might be

[LUTE] Re: String Height

2009-02-08 Thread Roman Turovsky
3.5mm @ the 8th fret. RT - Original Message - From: Tom Draughon t...@heartistrymusic.com To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:05 AM Subject: [LUTE] String Height Question 1: For an 8 course Renaissance lute, what would be considered an appropriate

[LUTE] Grammy awards tonight

2009-02-08 Thread Daniel Shoskes
Best of luck to our lute nominees in the Grammy Awards tonight. Ronn McFarlane for Indigo Road and Paul O'Dette/Stephen Stubbs for Lully's Psyche DS -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Grammy awards tonight

2009-02-08 Thread Edward Martin
Yes, we hope the best for them! ed At 10:29 AM 2/8/2009 -0500, Daniel Shoskes wrote: --===AVGMAIL-498EFCED=== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Best of luck to our lute nominees in the Grammy Awards tonight. Ronn McFarlane for Indigo Road and Paul O'Dette/Stephen

[LUTE] Re: Grammy awards tonight

2009-02-08 Thread Rob MacKillop
I would add Ed Martin's 'Allemande' recording to their list. One of the best I've heard in a long time. Rob MacKillop 2009/2/8 Edward Martin [1...@gamutstrings.com Yes, we hope the best for them! ed -- References 1. mailto:e...@gamutstrings.com To get on or

[LUTE] Re: Dilettantism

2009-02-08 Thread howard posner
On Feb 8, 2009, at 1:07 AM, Anthony Hind wrote: Yes, I have those too, but by looking at a detail, you miss the general point, I was making. That dilettanteism is relative, and Jacob is more of a specialist than most. This has probably lead him to develop his very elegant renaissance RH

[LUTE] Re: Grammy awards tonight

2009-02-08 Thread Anthony Hind
Le 8 févr. 09 à 17:07, Rob MacKillop a écrit : I would add Ed Martin's 'Allemande' recording to their list. One of the best I've heard in a long time. Rob MacKillop Very beautiful, and very well appreciated by all I have played it to, including non-specialists. I wasn't

[LUTE] Re: Dilettantism

2009-02-08 Thread Jerzy Zak
Anthony, I'm really fascinted by your detailed analyzis of all technicall matters concerning lute construction, stringing and playing. I wish I had such an eye on all this things. But in my experience, after some 40 years of observations of teaching music playing (including my own

[LUTE] Re: Dilettantism

2009-02-08 Thread Roman Turovsky
From: Jerzy Zak jurek...@gmail.com Anthony, I'm really fascinted by your detailed analyzis of all technicall matters concerning lute construction, stringing and playing. I wish I had such an eye on all this things. But in my experience, after some 40 years of observations of teaching music

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov

2009-02-08 Thread Roman Turovsky
A difficult question, the loneliness at the top being poor excuse for elation. I know for a fact that those Things of Beauty that Deviate from the Protocol do in fact get documentably appreciated. That surely helps to deal with the indifferent world. RT I tend to identify with - Original

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov

2009-02-08 Thread Jerzy Zak
Karamazov and Dilettantism! Really fascinating. Is anybody brave enough to throw an exegesis on the combination? Is Karamazov a perversely hidden dilettante dressed up in attributes of great virtuoso or is he an evangelist of true and clean expression, just the instrument (a bit moded but

[LUTE] Re: meantone fret position measurements

2009-02-08 Thread Stuart Walsh
David van Ooijen wrote: On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: Did someone once put up a calculator which which worked out fret positions, in meantone, for a given string length? Stuart It's not exactly a calculator, but it has a table with numbers

[LUTE] Re: Dilettantism

2009-02-08 Thread Jerzy Zak
Anthony, On 2009-02-08, at 19:16, Anthony Hind wrote: Indeed, there are signs that there were disagreements, between lutenists of past times. About the practice of using Bologna lutes... Some lutenists like Mace and Jacques Gautier, who seem to... The description by Mace of J.

[LUTE] Re: meantone fret position measurements

2009-02-08 Thread Charles Browne
Stuart Walsh wrote: David van Ooijen wrote: On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: Did someone once put up a calculator which which worked out fret positions, in meantone, for a given string length? Stuart It's not exactly a calculator, but it has

[LUTE] J-Bar, was: Dilettantism

2009-02-08 Thread Mathias Rösel
Anthony Hind anthony.h...@noos.fr schrieb: Thus J-barring=bass rider, and fan-barring=swan-necked lutes would be a tendency, but the two sets may not be identical. e.g. Wolfgang Emmerich who has made research on Railich, tells me that Railich's later productions did have fan-barring. Yet

[LUTE] Re: meantone fret position measurements

2009-02-08 Thread Stuart Walsh
Charles Browne wrote: There is a fret placement spreadsheet on the LSA website that will provide you with all the information without re-calculation. It will give fret positions for a number of temperaments/and string lengths it is worth looking at! Charles Thanks. Found it and punched in the

[LUTE] Re: meantone fret position measurements

2009-02-08 Thread Sean Smith
Stuart, Try the 1/4 comma to start; the thinking being to overdo the change so you can more easily define its differences. You can always scale back to 1/6 and compare. If you go the 1/4 comma route you may want to play your lower F#s on the 6th G fret till you get a tastino, at least for

[LUTE] RH position, was: Dilettantism

2009-02-08 Thread Mathias Rösel
Anthony Hind anthony.h...@noos.fr schrieb: See Hoppy's Bach which is even further forward on the rose than Miguel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1vxZgM08zo Guitar playing in disguise at its best. Compare Hoppy's position this photo by Manuel Minguillon

[LUTE] Re: RH position, was: Dilettantism

2009-02-08 Thread Roman Turovsky
From: Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de All instruction from the period tell us and the pictures show us that the right hand was at the bridge. How seriously should we take this? Barto Perhaps like with a traffic sign when driving a car? I mean, not religiously, of course B) Mathias An

[LUTE] Re: meantone fret position measurements

2009-02-08 Thread David Rastall
On the subject of fret placement, what about fret placement on the Baroque lute? Davidr dlu...@verizon.net -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: String Height

2009-02-08 Thread demery
Question 1: For an 8 course Renaissance lute, what would be considered an appropriate string height range measured where the neck joins the body? High enough to prevent any buzzing, low enough to feel easy to the LH and minimize tension increase. Several factors affect it, most a

[LUTE] Re: meantone fret position measurements

2009-02-08 Thread Roman Turovsky
Yes, especially for that Falkenhagen Prelude. RT From: David Rastall dlu...@verizon.net On the subject of fret placement, what about fret placement on the Baroque lute? Davidr dlu...@verizon.net -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: RH position, was: Dilettantism

2009-02-08 Thread Peter Martin
Priorite `a droite, maybe? P On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Roman Turovsky [1]lu...@polyhymnion.org wrote: From: Mathias Roesel mathias.roe...@t-online.de All instruction from the period tell us and the pictures show us that the right hand was at the bridge. How

[LUTE] Re: String Height

2009-02-08 Thread Martin Shepherd
Dear Tom, You don't say what your current string heights are, and there are many causes of buzzes I would say the string height (from the surface of the fingerboard to the underside of the string) should be about 2.6-2.8mm for the first course and about 3.5-3.75mm for the 8th course.

[LUTE] Re: meantone fret position measurements

2009-02-08 Thread Charles Browne
Stuart Walsh wrote: Charles Browne wrote: There is a fret placement spreadsheet on the LSA website that will provide you with all the information without re-calculation. It will give fret positions for a number of temperaments/and string lengths it is worth looking at! Charles Thanks. Found

[LUTE] Re: meantone fret position measurements

2009-02-08 Thread David van Ooijen
Stuart Walsh wrote: multiplying by 43. But - so much choice. Any advice on a temperament for second half of fifteenth century? For earlier music, Ars Nova and Trecento, I use Pythagorean temperament. It was a surpsrise to me how much Italian early 16th century music I still could play with