[LUTE] Re: Transposed Dowland songs??

2009-02-15 Thread Sean Smith
Thank you, Dana and David. I figured your experiences would be all over the map and dictated by the conductors' whims but was also interested in the politics of the decision. Interesting also to see that a 1/4 meantone is ocassionally used. I would hope so whenever natural horns have a large

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: moving soundboard from workshop to house

2009-02-15 Thread Chris Newman
just wanted to say thanks to you all for the rich discussion on this Chris Timothy Motz wrote: Thank you Dana. That was my point exactly and you explained it better than I did. I've worked in art museums for 25 years, where we are very concerned with temperature and humidity for reasons simi

[LUTE] Re: Transposed Dowland songs??

2009-02-15 Thread David van Ooijen
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Sean Smith wrote: > > From your professional experiences, do choral directers ever explicitly > choose a specific meantone scale? Do you ever get instructions to (not) > temper your frets? I'm a pro and get hired as such: gun for hire. Sometimes that means I have

[LUTE] Re: Transposed Dowland songs??

2009-02-15 Thread demery
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009, Sean Smith said: > Singers aren't so forced or so, ahem, 'nerdy' and often won't know what > meantone we use. it varies, many of us dont have a clue as to much of much theory; but we all have ears, and some of us use them, both in play and with voice. Singers in small e

[LUTE] Re: Transposed Dowland songs??

2009-02-15 Thread Sean Smith
This is a point I'd like to understand better, too. Learning to fret one's instrument and be (nominally) in tune w/ other instruments forces us to confront meantone and understand it to some degree. If we always play on our own or only with other ET instruments we don't have to. When two lute

[LUTE] Re: Transposed Dowland songs??

2009-02-15 Thread Richard Yates
>As said here before: with good musicians there's no need to >discuss anything, with the bad ones there's no use. >David Does that mean that we are neither? :) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Transposed Dowland songs - ruminations on lute sizes around 1600

2009-02-15 Thread demery
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009, William Brohinsky said: > Caroline merely needs to declare the local pitch standard to be A=494. > Now, her (previously A=440) lute is in G, and she can satisfy her > vocalist's request without having to change her lute at all! ?!? no change to the lute means no change for

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-15 Thread howard posner
On Feb 15, 2009, at 4:31 AM, Alfonso Marin wrote: > I know that Arto did not want to suggest that my theorbo was too > expensive but in an indirect way he actually did. For that reason I > feel compelled to defend myself and demonstrate the fairness of my > asking price. That would depend... It

[LUTE] Re: Transposed Dowland songs??

2009-02-15 Thread David van Ooijen
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 6:55 PM, howard posner wrote: > Temperament is mostly the concern of musicians who play fixed-pitch > instruments. A singer doesn't have to worry about it, because the > singer can adjust as needed. Temperament is just a poor substitute > for what a good singer does as a

[LUTE] Re: Transposed Dowland songs??

2009-02-15 Thread howard posner
On Feb 15, 2009, at 3:22 AM, Andrew Gibbs wrote: > Is there any evidence of what temperament the lutenist and singer - > I'm thinking mainly of late 16th c lute songs - would have agreed > on? Would the lutenist tune to get close to the temperament the > singer had trained to sing in (just intona

[LUTE] Re: Transposed Dowland songs??

2009-02-15 Thread David Rastall
On Feb 15, 2009, at 7:51 AM, Lex van Sante wrote: >Hi all! > >Andrew wrote: > >On the subject of lutenists accommodating (or not) singers: >Is there any evidence of what temperament the lutenist and > singer - I'm >thinking mainly of late 16th c lute songs - would have agreed >

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-15 Thread wikla
Dear Alonso et al. On 2/15/2009, "Alfonso Marin" wrote: [...] > I know that Arto did not want to suggest that my theorbo was too > expensive but in an indirect way he actually did. For that reason I > feel compelled to defend myself and demonstrate the fairness of my > asking price. Yes,

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-15 Thread Rob MacKillop
Seems fair to me, Alfonso. Everything is expensive, but your asking price is fair. Rob 2009/2/15 Alfonso Marin <[1]luten...@gmail.com> Dear Arto and all, After the brief discussion about theorbo prices, I looked around for of other makers prices to reevaluate the wor

[LUTE] Re: Transposed Dowland songs??

2009-02-15 Thread Lex van Sante
Hi all! Andrew wrote: On the subject of lutenists accommodating (or not) singers: Is there any evidence of what temperament the lutenist and singer - I'm thinking mainly of late 16th c lute songs - would have agreed on? Would the lutenist tune to get close to the temperament the

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-15 Thread Alfonso Marin
Dear Arto and all, After the brief discussion about theorbo prices, I looked around for of other makers prices to reevaluate the worth of my theorbo by Nico van der Waals I am currently offering for sale for 7900€ (original price was 8250€ back in 2002). I am now certain that my asking pric

[LUTE] Re: Transposed Dowland songs??

2009-02-15 Thread Andrew Gibbs
On the subject of lutenists accommodating (or not) singers: Is there any evidence of what temperament the lutenist and singer - I'm thinking mainly of late 16th c lute songs - would have agreed on? Would the lutenist tune to get close to the temperament the singer had trained to sing in (ju