[LUTE] Murcia

2011-07-12 Thread Valery Sauvage
Another nice one : [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7baAu8SZJgM Val -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7baAu8SZJgM To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Bachelar still known in 1690

2011-07-12 Thread Bernd Haegemann
Would anyone like to post a translation of the following paragraphs 20 and 21 which talk about the unknown inventor of the theorbo, and about Kapsberger? With pleasure, that is really interesting :-))) : 20. At this time the famous instrument the TIORBA was invented, in fact by a market

[LUTE] Re: Murcia

2011-07-12 Thread Edward Mast
Thanks again; wonderful! -Ned On Jul 12, 2011, at 2:49 AM, Valery Sauvage wrote: Another nice one : [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7baAu8SZJgM Val -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7baAu8SZJgM To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound'

2011-07-12 Thread Edward Mast
G.'s post brings to mind my experience playing string quartets with friends (cello is my main instrument). As amateurs, we successfully, though hardly perfectly, convey the music of Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms, etc. But when we play Boccherini, we utterly fail to convey this music. Why?

[LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound'

2011-07-12 Thread Mathias Roesel
This whole discussion begins to approach the (almost ZEN) question of: What is the pure lute sound? Seems a religious approach, indeed. And answers given from this perspective will always smell of the _religion_ of Music. Look at how a lute will sound in different environments. Out in the

[LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound'

2011-07-12 Thread David van Ooijen
On 12 July 2011 04:15, t...@heartistrymusic.com wrote: I think that, if the old masters had possessed effects, they would have used them. .. and would have written different music which would have utilised these effects. Which is the whole point about HIP: using the means the old had at their

[LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound'

2011-07-12 Thread Mathias Roesel
We would need to go back to school to learn this baroque language. So too, I believe, with the lute. If one simply wants to play the renaissance or baroque literature, fine. How so? When you just like to play the renaissance or baroque literature, you'll always do it within the scope of what

[LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound'

2011-07-12 Thread tom
The idea that, to take one composer at random, JS Bach would have preferred a modern Bechstein grand is, of course, not new and this sort of case was used from the earliest days of the revival of interest in his music in the mid 19th century... True. Obviously, Bach, and all

[LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound'

2011-07-12 Thread Ron Andrico
Ned and All: This thread has elicited some very thoughtful commentary. While we wholeheartedly appreciate your kind mention, Ned, we are certainly still seeking out information - historical source material and recording technology - to more effectively inform our interpretations.

[LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound'

2011-07-12 Thread G. Crona
Hey Tom, its so strange that you should mention that particular Sarabande. Just the other day I watched a movie where it was the main musical theme, and I've been playing that one (in Segovia's arrangement) for as long as I can remember on the guitar. Its a highly evocative piece. I've been

[LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound'

2011-07-12 Thread Mark Warren
Carl Jung called it synchronicity... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity m. On 7/12/2011 5:58 PM, G. Crona wrote: I've been searching my mind the whole day for the correct name for such an ocurrence, (where something you have just experienced or said or thought about pops up

[LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound'

2011-07-12 Thread G. Crona
EXACTLY! That was quick! Thanks Mark. What an exciting concept that is. (And Jung is another one of my personal .(fill in desired word)! G. - Original Message - From: Mark Warren mwar...@xplornet.com To: G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent:

[LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound'

2011-07-12 Thread tom
Thanks! Yes, I've been a Renbourn fan since I was in high school (37 years ago!!). I've had the opportunity to watch him play in very small venues. His technique is impeccable. Trotto / Saltarello from his Lady and the Unicorn LP was the first thing I ever heard from him. I had been

[LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound'

2011-07-12 Thread G. Crona
Yes, surely so. And in this case, not an extreme one, but qualifiable as synchronicity nonetheless, (I wish to believe ;) . If we were more open and had better antennæ, there would perhaps be more occurrences of this kind? Thanks Mark! G. - Original Message - From: Mark Warren

[LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound'

2011-07-12 Thread G. Crona
- Original Message - From: t...@heartistrymusic.com To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:35 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound' I'm still trying to play like that - trying ... He often uses

[LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound'

2011-07-12 Thread corvo di bassetto
C.G. Jung was a … Nazi! (cf.: »Die tatsächlich bestehenden und einsichtigen Leuten schon längst bekannten Verschiedenheiten der germanischen und der jüdischen Psychologie sollen nicht mehr verwischt werden, was der Wissenschaft nur förderlich sein kann« C.G. Jung, Zentralblatt für

[LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound'

2011-07-12 Thread G. Crona
In English please? G. - Original Message - From: corvo di bassetto r...@recout.de To: G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 1:55 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound' C.G. Jung was a … Nazi! (cf.:

[LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound'

2011-07-12 Thread corvo di bassetto
Jung presents another of his 'fascinating' concepts, i.e. that Germanic and Jewish psychology were fundamentally different and should be kept apart (in order to get rid of the latter). He wrote that as the new head of the German psychiatrists association in 1933, as a sort of motto for the

[LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound'

2011-07-12 Thread Stephen Arndt
Something like: The differences of Germanic and Jewish psychology, which exist in fact and have long been known to insightful people, should not be confused, which can only be conducive to science. -Original Message- From: G. Crona Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 7:07 PM To: Lutelist

[LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound'

2011-07-12 Thread Roman Turovsky
Hey Danyel, as I recall: you combine both of these psychologies, apparently in a rather conflicting gestalt. RT (quite perpexed at just how lutenistically relevant Jung is.) - Original Message - From: corvo di bassetto r...@recout.de To: G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com Cc: Lutelist

[LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound'

2011-07-12 Thread tom
Hi Nancy, Thanks for the email. I'd love a copy of the interview. I should also talk with you about formally joining LSA : ) Tom I am also a big Renbourn fan and agree that he has great technique.Those early records of his were a big inspiration years ago. We published a nice interview