[LUTE] Re: another lute nativity - 6 courses in 1475?

2018-04-30 Thread howard posner
> On Apr 30, 2018, at 2:07 PM, Ron Andrico wrote: > > The lack of clarity and crispness in the depiction of strings has > nothing to do with the artist's attention to detail, and such a > suggestion is a discredit to an artist known for his extreme adherence > to

[LUTE] Re: another lute nativity - 6 courses in 1475?

2018-04-30 Thread Tristan von Neumann
Depicting one with a plectrum, the other one with fingertip technique actually would make much sense in that time's lute practice, would it not? Consider some basic voices played with fingers and an improvising fast plectrum style player, as seen in Spinacino, or a bit later in Francesco's La

[LUTE] Re: another lute nativity - 6 courses in 1475?

2018-04-30 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Ron, Well it would be nice to be sure about the playing technique but to be honest I can't see a plectrum in either hand. There is just the faintest shadow that might be a remnant of plectrum over the first finger of the left hand lutenist but I wouldn't swear to it. Though of course

[LUTE] Re: another lute nativity - 6 courses in 1475?

2018-04-30 Thread David Van Edwards
Yes this one is well known and it does indeed look as if they have sunken roses like those of Gerard David but the painting has been "cleaned" to within an inch of its life, certainly the strings did not survive! Your earlier one by circle of Caporali was unknown to me so thank you very much

[LUTE] Re: another lute nativity - 6 courses in 1475?

2018-04-30 Thread David van Ooijen
Imagine lutenist in some distant future looking the hands of the luth dorée models for clues on early 21st century playing technique. *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On

[LUTE] Re: another lute nativity - 6 courses in 1475?

2018-04-30 Thread howard posner
> On Apr 30, 2018, at 12:16 PM, John Mardinly wrote: > > The left lute does not seem to have any pegs and neither appears to > have a bridge, yet both lutenists look like they are trying to stop the > lowest course with their thumbs. Neither lute appears to have

[LUTE] Re: another lute nativity - 6 courses in 1475?

2018-04-30 Thread Antonio Corona
Piero della Francesca . __ From: Tristan von Neumann To: lutelist Net Sent: Monday, 30 April 2018, 11:46 Subject: [LUTE] another lute nativity - 6 courses in

[LUTE] Re: another lute nativity - 6 courses in 1475?

2018-04-30 Thread John Mardinly
The left lute does not seem to have any pegs and neither appears to have a bridge, yet both lutenists look like they are trying to stop the lowest course with their thumbs. A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. On Apr 30, 2018, at 9:45 AM, Tristan von Neumann

[LUTE] another lute nativity - 6 courses in 1475?

2018-04-30 Thread Tristan von Neumann
This nativity has two very big lutes in it. Also, it seems the right lute has 11 pegs. Maybe this has been the subject of discussion already. Anyway, the lutes seem to have very elaborate 3d roses. https://www.wga.hu/art/p/piero/3/13nativ3.jpg To get on or off this list see list information

[LUTE] Nativity with lute - location?

2018-04-30 Thread Tristan von Neumann
Hi Lutists, this might be an interesting painting for luthiers: http://www.artnet.fr/artistes/giovanni-battista-caporali/the-nativity-with-music-making-angels-V3cNvSMtzVou3qSnhx3rzQ2 Unfortunately, the resolution is quite low. It seems this painting is or was on auction? I know nothing about