[LUTE] Re: Milan's name

2020-01-07 Thread Tristan von Neumann
Is there a conspiracy to hide the fact that he was the brother of Francesco? :) On 08.01.20 01:28, Roman Turovsky wrote: Because they lend credence to alternatives of Antonio's postulates!))) RT On 1/6/2020 12:34 PM, Mathias Rösel wrote:     Why is that? Let others do as they please. I

[LUTE] Re: Milan's name

2020-01-07 Thread Roman Turovsky
Because they lend credence to alternatives of Antonio's postulates!))) RT On 1/6/2020 12:34 PM, Mathias Rösel wrote: Why is that? Let others do as they please. I should only be curious why they did so. Mathias __

[LUTE] Re: Visée Transcriptions

2020-01-07 Thread yuval . dvoran
Actually, I really need a transcription, because it's for a non-lutenist who can't read tablature ;-) Yuval Am 07.01.2020 21:39 schrieb Wayne: Hi Yuval - Not a transcription, but legible http://culture.besancon.fr/ark:/48565/a011284026247S0XA9H/1/1 Wayne On Jan 7, 2020, at 2:48

[LUTE] Re: Milan's name

2020-01-07 Thread Antonio Corona
Dear Ron I don't believe Milán set the standard for later vihuelists, at least for those whose works we know. His works, as you rightly pointed out are quite idiosyncratic  and unlike those which followed. On the other hand you may be right about the term Fantasia. This is what Milán has to

[LUTE] Visée Transcriptions

2020-01-07 Thread yuval . dvoran
Hello everybody, I'm looking for a transcription of the Allemande in d-minor for theorbo by de Visée, Saizenay-ms. pp. 228–9. Does any of you happen to have one? I'd be very grateful! All the best for 2020 Yuval To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Dlugoraj

2020-01-07 Thread Dick Hoban
Thanks, Rainer! I have long wanted a good facsimile of this MS. Dick On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 12:11 PM Rainer <[1]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> wrote: The digital facsimile of so-called Dlugoraj (II.6.15) lute book was announced ages ago. Now a miracle has happened:

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

2020-01-07 Thread Guilherme Barroso
Hello all, I don't know any source of Portuguese lute music but there is at least one of baroque guitar. It is called "O livro do conde de Redondo" and the facsimile was edited by Lusitana Musica. All the best,

[LUTE] Re: Milan's name

2020-01-07 Thread Tristan von Neumann
I said more that 2%, not 2%, and I was referring to the average Jewish percentage of the population. Just guessing, but when I look up someone with a toponymical surename, it seems more like 20-50%, depending on the Jewish population at the place back then. (Oppenheimer, Wertheimer are probably

[LUTE] Re: Milan's name

2020-01-07 Thread Mathias Rösel
Two percent equals "often"? Serious? Mathias __ Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App --- Original-Nachricht --- Von: Tristan von Neumann Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Milan's name Datum: 07.01.2020, 15:24 Uhr An:

[LUTE] Re: Milan's name

2020-01-07 Thread Tristan von Neumann
You get a toponymical surname because people say: that's Hans, he moved here from Nuremberg. Since we already have dozens of Hansens, let's call him Nürnberger. In many regions in Bavaria still today the Surname is moved to first place when talking about people. So "der Nürnberger Hans" becomes

[LUTE] Re: Milan's name

2020-01-07 Thread G. C.
Dear Mathias, could you kindly explain to me, why Milan's surname could not possibly imply that his family roots might have been from Milano? G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Milan's name

2020-01-07 Thread Mathias Rösel
Toponymical family names are quite common among Germans, and inferentially among German Jews. Nevertheless, Don Luys Milan did not hail from Milano, or at least his name is no hint he did. Antonio brought enough evidence. And there's no evidence at all that Milan was Jewish. Also,

[LUTE] Re: Milan's name

2020-01-07 Thread Joachim Lüdtke
Not only among Jews, Roman! If every Oesterreicher, Frankfurter or what-you-have would be Jewish, there would be no problem for any small Kehillah anywhere here to find a Minjan for the Service … Joachim -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Milan's name Datum:

[LUTE] Re: Milan's name

2020-01-07 Thread Ron Andrico
Dear Antonio: Thank you for this clarification. While I appreciate Milan and his status as a pioneer in documenting Spanish music and courtly custom—and setting a standard for the later viheula prints—it seems to me (and others) that he was strongly influenced by trends

[LUTE] Re: Milan's name

2020-01-07 Thread r . turovsky
Toponymical surnames are prevalent among Jews: Toledo, Rovira, Palma and Palmieri, Venezia etc etc. RT http://turovsky.org Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. > On Jan 6, 2020, at 8:48 AM, Tristan von Neumann > wrote: > >  >> On 06.01.20 05:50, howard posner wrote: >> And