[LUTE] Re: Spanish harp in this whole mix

2020-07-21 Thread Steve Ramey
Allan Alexander has some fine works in these volumes. I just looked thru the indices and I see Ronn McFarlane has many of them in his book The Scottish Lute. Thinking more about it just now, some years ago, one of our esteemed members, whose name slips my mind at the moment,

[LUTE] Re: Spanish harp in this whole mix

2020-07-21 Thread G. C.
Yes, some very nice music there! Turlough O' Carolan's music sounds excellent on the lute and even on the guitar. I'm surprised it is not more known and played. G. On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 11:04 PM guy_and_liz Smith <[1]guy_and_...@msn.com> wrote: I think this is what you

[LUTE] Re: Spanish harp in this whole mix

2020-07-21 Thread Tristan von Neumann
Ah great! Thank you, I didn't think this was Irish. I think I have a facsimile somewhere. On 22.07.20 00:07, Ron Andrico wrote: Calleno, or Calen O custure me, found in tablature from the Ballet lute ms. is thought to be an Irish tune. Several of us have foisted loads of

[LUTE] Re: Spanish harp in this whole mix

2020-07-21 Thread Ron Andrico
Calleno, or Calen O custure me, found in tablature from the Ballet lute ms. is thought to be an Irish tune. Several of us have foisted loads of arrangements of later Irish tunes upon unsuspecting listeners, and Ronn McFarlane has a very nice recording of his own arrangements played

[LUTE] Re: Spanish harp in this whole mix

2020-07-21 Thread guy_and_liz Smith
I think this is what you are referring to: https://www.guitarandlute.com/celtic.html . Guy -Original Message- From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of G. C. Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 2:23 PM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu

[LUTE] Re: Spanish harp in this whole mix

2020-07-21 Thread G. C.
Didn't Allan Alexander edit some Turlough O' Carolan for lute? On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 10:12 PM David Brown <[1]arpali...@gmail.com> wrote: I haven't seen the saz and veena in Mersenne! That's great and shows how little they have changed. Where is the steel guitar?.

[LUTE] Re: Spanish harp in this whole mix

2020-07-21 Thread David Brown
I haven’t seen the saz and veena in Mersenne! That’s great and shows how little they have changed. Where is the steel guitar?. I assume you mean Irish harp music Good question given proximity of Irish harpers to lutes at court. > On Jul 21, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Tristan von Neumann >

[LUTE] Re: Spanish harp in this whole mix

2020-07-21 Thread Tristan von Neumann
Now that you mention Mersenne... https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k63326258/f320.highres But seriously, the question of how the instruments were built is important, but I'm really interested in the music, or more specifically, pieces that are derived from harp playing. I know that new

[LUTE] Spanish harp in this whole mix

2020-07-21 Thread David Brown
Hello Martyn and luters... As my mail client and VPN seem to insist on arguing, I’ll take my chances of getting this out…. Since Mudarra and Spanish harp was brought up and I was re-reading Peter Holman’s 1987 article in Early Music, Holman mentions the possibility that

[LUTE] Re: Weird instrument depiction in painting

2020-07-21 Thread David Brown
Hello Martyn, Warning lute folks! A bit more a harp centric post but as I mention further down, the lute is very important to it... Yes, I agree and thanks for the correction. John Cunningham has also looked at the evidence of what Irish harp that would fit the music. The Timm painting is very

[LUTE] Re: Weird instrument depiction in painting

2020-07-21 Thread David Brown
Hello Martyn, I just crafted a response to your post on my desktop and on sending it it was promptly eaten by MSOffice saying it couldn’t connect to the server a real Microsoft moment I just wanted to mention the most important part as I stand corrected on this and went on discussing

[LUTE] Re: Weird instrument depiction in painting

2020-07-21 Thread Monica Hall
Lovely. Does anyone know what kind of harp they are using. Monica > On 21 July 2020 at 10:40 Tristan von Neumann wrote: > > >Thanks for all the info! > >I didn't know Irish harpists were such a hit back then. > >What about lute music adapting this style (at least for Spanish >

[LUTE] Re: Weird instrument depiction in painting

2020-07-21 Thread Tristan von Neumann
Thanks for all the info! I didn't know Irish harpists were such a hit back then. What about lute music adapting this style (at least for Spanish harpists we have Mudarra 10)? It's already hard to find Scottish music, but Irish music seems non-existent in tabs. I tried to

[LUTE] Re: Weird instrument depiction in painting

2020-07-21 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear David, In fact, not actually 'up in the air as to what kind of harp was used': - two leading authorities in the field, John Cunningham and Peter Holman (amongst others), identify the wire strung instrument as that expected for the Lawes harp consorts. Pasted below is a 2013

[LUTE] Re: Weird instrument depiction in painting

2020-07-21 Thread David Brown
I should look at my info before typing The succession of royal harpists was Cormack MacDermott (1605); Philip Squire (1618); Lewis Williams/Evans, harpist to James I, Charles I, and Charles II; Charles Evans (1660) To damn hot David B. Brown Luthier 3811 Ellerslie Ave.

[LUTE] Re: Weird instrument depiction in painting

2020-07-21 Thread David Brown
Yes, I forgot to mention the Lawes consorts for harp. It has been a bit up in the air as to what kind of harp was used, a wire stung harp or a gut strung arpa doppia. Cormacke McDermott was the Irish harpist at court, followed by Charles Evans playing a triple harp Did

[LUTE] Re: Weird instrument depiction in painting

2020-07-21 Thread David Brown
Yes, I forgot to mention the Lawes consorts for harp. It has been a bit up in the air as to what kind of harp was used, a wire stung harp or a gut strung arpa doppia. Cormacke McDermott was the Irish harpist at court, followed by Charles Evans playing a triple harp David B. Brown

[LUTE] Harp consorts

2020-07-21 Thread Monica Hall
Sorry - I mean Charles I not Charles II. As I understand it the harpist at the court of Charles II played an Irish harp but I can't remember his name. Regards Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Weird instrument depiction in painting

2020-07-21 Thread Monica Hall
Not so curious really. Dowland spent time at the Court of Christian IV and there are eleven consorts by William Lawes for harp, bass, viola de gamba, violin and theorbo. As I understand it the harpist at the court of Charles II played an Irish harp but I can't remember his name. Regards Monica

[LUTE] Re: Weird instrument depiction in painting

2020-07-21 Thread Monica Hall
Not so curious really. Dowland spent time at the Court of Christian IV and there are eleven consorts by William Lawes for harp, bass, viola de gamba, violin and theorbo. As I understand it the harpist at the court of Charles II played an Irish harp but I can't remember his name. Regards Monica